Far Habor and Institute Supermutants

[Xenon The Noble]

There are lots of Supermutants of the Institute strain in Far Harbor.
The Institute doesn't know about Arcadia, the Type 3 synth colony, so it would appear that the Institute doesn't have a presence in the Island which implies but I cannot prove means that the Institute didn't put the Supermutants there.

How did the Supermutants get to Far Harbor? Did Mr. Nakano ferry them there because the Supermutants asked nicely?

[DouglasGrave]

They could come from the same source as wherever the Institute got their FEV samples in the first place, since we're never told how where they got their hands on them. Maybe some other research facility not shown anywhere in the game that happens to be closer to the Island.

The Institute not knowing about Acadia at all suggests they didn't deliberately release mutants there, though there's more of a question mark over whether or not these mutants were Institute-made in the first place.

But it does pose a bit of a puzzle about how they got there either way, unless we believe an entire group of super mutants just decided to swim over from the mainland. It's possible they saw boats moving around the Island and just followed them back.

[Xenon The Noble]

Seems kinda a WAG to say that some other research facility is experimenting with Institute FEV strains.
Why would they do that, given that the Institute made these Supermutants as attempted replacements for Type 2 synths?

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Seems kinda a WAG to say that some other research facility is experimenting with Institute FEV strains.
Why would they do that, given that the Institute made these Supermutants as attempted replacements for Type 2 synths?

I was thinking more like some pre-war facility that would have it (not an active research site), since the Institute needed to get their FEV samples from somewhere. Another site like Mariposa.

The mutants on the Island would look the same as those in the Commonwealth because the Institute's samples originally came from the same source.

[steventirey]

They walked (and/or swam). Same way the Institute got to the Capital Wasteland in Fallout 3, the Brotherhood and Kellogg got across the country from California. Its not like its way out in the middle of the ocean, and there at least used to be a bridge. Its only like half a mile, with another smaller island in between. (Based on the real-world location.)

[Zekiran]

They got legs, guys.

They move around. They are not stupid. They don't just stand there rooted to the spot where they were made.

[Von Faustien]

Facing persecution at the hands of the apes who killed the world the super.mutant prophet MOSSASSS lead his people to freedom across the sea to a promised land blanketed in radiation that would act as shroud to keep them safe from the oppression of the vile human menace

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Zekiran:

They got legs, guys.

They move around. They are not stupid. They don't just stand there rooted to the spot where they were made.

Well, they are kind of stupid, but obviously they do move around.

But spreading to the Island in large enough numbers to establish a permanent presence suggests either a big coincidence (they just happened to go where the Sole Survivor later ventures) or some kind of big super mutant diaspora, beyond what we could expect from the Institute. Making enough mutants to decently populate areas stretching out hundreds of miles from the Commonwealth would have depopulated their local region.

[Zekiran]

I'm still very much not on board with the "institute created all the east coast ones" thing, myself, there's 'evidence' but not all that compelling to me. It's far more likely that they were simply in progress virtually everywhere the usa had the military capabilities, the virus shipped on hand, and/or actually BECAME a virus early on and bam hundreds ... maybe hundreds of thousands... of supermutants in the wild. We'll never really know because 100% Bethesda has no idea lol.

[Xenon The Noble]

Plus for the disporia hypothesis is that the Island's fog makes the Supermutants stronger. They prefer the radiation. I think that one supermutant at the airplane crash site was an experimental success for the Institute; he's not violent.
But how did they get there. A bridge? Did the bridge fall in the 2077 war because Institute brand (tm) supermutants started creation 90 years after the war.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Plus for the disporia hypothesis is that the Island's fog makes the Supermutants stronger. They prefer the radiation. I think that one supermutant at the airplane crash site was an experimental success for the Institute; he's not violent.
But how did they get there. A bridge? Did the bridge fall in the 2077 war because Institute brand (tm) supermutants started creation 90 years after the war.

I'm personally okay with the idea of them swimming across, it's just about why multiple super mutants would choose to do it in the first place. Either some swam across and went back to tell others, or they saw signs of non-mutant activity.

There are some remains of a bridge along the northern edge of the Island if I remember correctly (somewhere near the oceanarium), but I don't know exactly when it's supposed to have collapsed.

[eMYNOCK]

is anywere written down that the Island Mutants originate from the Commonwealth?

They can be from anywere were mutants were Created... and its not that hard, even for a mutant, to cobble something together that can stay afloat.

[Xenon The Noble]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

is anywere written down that the Island Mutants originate from the Commonwealth?

They can be from anywere were mutants were Created... and its not that hard, even for a mutant, to cobble something together that can stay afloat.

They don't look or act like other Supermutants.
True enough, these SM build shacks and set traps.

[steventirey]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

But how did they get there. A bridge? Did the bridge fall in the 2077 war because Institute brand (tm) supermutants started creation 90 years after the war.

The island is a real-world island, and its not that far off the coast (about a half a mile, or 0.8km). And there is a smaller island in between. They could walk most of it, even if the bridge was destroyed.

[White Knight]

I thought it was "The Master" and his weird cult/religion that brought us Super Mutants? Then what was left of the military got its' hands on some FEV and tried to replicate their own?

We know there are some SM with superior intelligence. All it would take is one leader to recognize the value of exploiting an island full of food and resources. Short of that, even one moron who accidentally got lost could have made his way back to the mainland and passed the word along. They are powerful and like radiation... they could go anywhere a log could float.

Most importantly, it's just a video game. Expecting rock-solid lore and logical consistency is not reasonable... there are mutants there for us to fight.

tl;dr translation... Some folks are obsessing over minutiae.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by Parrhesiastes:

I thought it was "The Master" and his weird cult/religion that brought us Super Mutants? Then what was left of the military got its' hands on some FEV and tried to replicate their own?

We know there are some SM with superior intelligence. All it would take is one leader to recognize the value of exploiting an island full of food and resources. Short of that, even one moron who accidentally got lost could have made his way back to the mainland and passed the word along. They are powerful and like radiation... they could go anywhere a log could float.

Most importantly, it's just a video game. Expecting rock-solid lore and logical consistency is not reasonable... there are mutants there for us to fight.

tl;dr translation... Some folks are obsessing over minutiae.

The master was west coast and has no relation to anything in 3 or 4 neither do his mutants.

FEV was created by west tech as a panacea meant to render humans immune to all diseases and specifically the ongoing new plauge pandemic.
The side effects caught the attention of the military who siezed the research and begun conducting experiments at various sites across the USA. The master came about post war when Richard Gray and his team well investigating mutant animal attacks found Mariposa and were exposed but the farthest east his army got in any numbers is Chicago