Fallout 5 should be set in New York

[coffeemm8]

That seems like the most obvious choice to me. I know people were speculating Miami or New Orleans but I think those are more fitting for side games, not the numbered titles

[Kalypso]

Origineel geplaatst door Central:

Origineel geplaatst door Kalypso:

That would be quite hard to do, as America seems to be the only one that will really accept satire to the point it is on Fallout. Pretty sure Fallout got banned in a country for the cows being called Brahmin.

the USA is pretty nationalistic to the point where they are much less accepting towards criticism than many other countries. sure there are also many countries which are less accepting, but the USA is by no means in the top of the countries which accept satire or criticism.

please note that i myself love the american people, i have many friends there and i always feel at home when i go there on holiday. that being said, i do often feel like i am walking on eggshells when i criticize the USA when i am over there.
having traveled quite a bit i can safely say that there are many countries where they are much more accepting towards criticism and satire than they are over in the USA, especially in Europe and australia. some African countries are also pretty chill about it, at least the population is.

also, fallout is no longer banned in the country you are talking about and is currently available on steam there.

Why don't you go think on why no other country has games that are like Fallout but for their country.

[Joe Coffee]

Fallout: Bayou. Nuclear gators, angry Creole ghouls, swamp monsters, and a Vault Dweller from a cloning experiment!

[Central]

Origineel geplaatst door Kalypso:

Why don't you go think on why no other country has games that are like Fallout but for their country.

there are plenty of games which have satire about other countries, they just dont need to spell out that it is about said country. if you see a game set in space and you have a tea drinking aristocrat than it is pretty obvious which country they are making fun of, no need to point out which country it is.
maybe you just never realized how much humor in games is actually satire about other countries.

but you could also just look at comedians, movies and internet comments and travel to said countries and talk to the population and see a much wider scope than just video games.

[Knightmage Bael]

Fallout 4 was ORIGINALLY going to be set in New York, for those people here who seem to be arguing that its impossible lol.

If we're going to have another game set on the eastern seaboard I'd prefer the Devs to actually do something consistent with the world state. FO1 and 2 had a consistent overarching story that led to the creation of the NCR.

FO3 and 4 have yet to contribute anything meaningful besides "topkek wasteland", and its actually upsetting. If Fallout 5 doesn't including anything overarching in that way, I'm going to abandon the franchise. I'm here for the story too. Abandoning the world-state takes the meaning away for me, and that's not fun.

I know I'm not the only one who likes Fallout for the lore and the roleplay.

Games like the Tales series are okay, because each game is set in a different world entirely - with the exception of a couple like Tales of Zestiria/Berseria, and in the latter case, contributed heavily to the overarching worldstate.

[Kalypso]

Origineel geplaatst door Central:

Origineel geplaatst door Kalypso:

Why don't you go think on why no other country has games that are like Fallout but for their country.

there are plenty of games which have satire about other countries, they just dont need to spell out that it is about said country. if you see a game set in space and you have a tea drinking aristocrat than it is pretty obvious which country they are making fun of, no need to point out which country it is.
maybe you just never realized how much humor in games is actually satire about other countries.

but you could also just look at comedians, movies and internet comments and travel to said countries and talk to the population and see a much wider scope than just video games.

That's whats called a stereotype. It can be used for satire, but it's not the same thing. It's an easy way to get the audience to understand a character better without having to jump through hoops. Also don't think I didn't notice you didn't give any real example, either. Off the top of my head there is Saints Row, Grand Theft Auto, Bully, and Fallout. There is certainly a lot more.

[Central]

Origineel geplaatst door Kalypso:

That's whats called a stereotype. It can be used for satire, but it's not the same thing. It's an easy way to get the audience to understand a character better without having to jump through hoops. Also don't think I didn't notice you didn't give any real example, either. Off the top of my head there is Saints Row, Grand Theft Auto, Bully, and Fallout. There is certainly a lot more.

sometimes things are indeed both satire and stereotype at the same time. the tea drinking aristocrat can certainly be both, when this is done in games they usually point out the flaws of the British aristocracy in a funny way, which is why i gave it as an example.

as for specific examples.
one of the biggest example i can give is warhammer. just look at how they poke fun of france and the holy roman empire with brettonia and the empire. if you read the lore you will see plenty of examples, that is if you are paying attention and actually know the history.

the USA is a relatively young country so the satire about the country is more obvious since it is all more recognizable as it being about the USA,
europe has a longer history, a lot of satire about europe for example can be mistaken for just being a funny medieval story or a funny victorian story.
again taking warhammer as an example, quite a few of my american friends thought that brettonia was just a funny depiction of the medieval times in europe rather than it being a satire about france.
sure warhammer has moved away from the satire roots, but that is how it all started. taking the noble knights and the worthless peasants to an extreme level.

[Insomniac Jack]

Origineel geplaatst door Deklend:

IIRC New York was glassed

New York turning into a crater post war is a common misconception and not part of the lore. It sounds plausible, but it's unlikely, especially since the 4th game was initially supposed to take place in the region. And I feel like the following game should take place in New York or Chicago.

[Knightmage Bael]

Origineel geplaatst door Insomniac Jack:

Origineel geplaatst door Deklend:

IIRC New York was glassed

New York turning into a crater post war is a common misconception and not part of the lore. It sounds plausible, but it's unlikely, especially since the 4th game was initially supposed to take place in the region. And I feel like the following game should take place in New York or Chicago.

There's also no actual proof. Nothing mentions New York. Its just an assumption based on the direction the Glowing Sea is in, but that's not really conclusive enough. Its likely a gigantic section of NYC was turned to rubble though, I mean its a metropolis. Its massive. Hard to imagine how they'd condense it into a game. THe entire map would be a city zone lol.

[Insomniac Jack]

Origineel geplaatst door Archmage_Bael:

Origineel geplaatst door Insomniac Jack:

New York turning into a crater post war is a common misconception and not part of the lore. It sounds plausible, but it's unlikely, especially since the 4th game was initially supposed to take place in the region. And I feel like the following game should take place in New York or Chicago.

There's also no actual proof. Nothing mentions New York. Its just an assumption based on the direction the Glowing Sea is in, but that's not really conclusive enough. Its likely a gigantic section of NYC was turned to rubble though, I mean its a metropolis. Its massive. Hard to imagine how they'd condense it into a game. THe entire map would be a city zone lol.

There's that one reference in the fallout bible

"In 2065, a nuclear reactor, struggling to power the city's population of seventeen million people, went supercritical for a period of about five minutes. While there was no explosion, the NYC incident coined the term "hot summer" for a heat-related electrical overload on nuclear systems. The event mandated power rationing throughout the city."

Which people misconstrue and assume the city is decimated. But you're right, no actual reference on it's state post war.

By the time Fallout 5 comes out I think it will be technically possible to render a city of that magnitude (whilst also being playable) . There's a lot they could do outside the city lines, people hear New York and forget it's a pretty big state. So they definitely have a lot to work with.

[Flippy]

As long as there are horses.

[Central]

Origineel geplaatst door Insomniac Jack:

Origineel geplaatst door Archmage_Bael:

There's also no actual proof. Nothing mentions New York. Its just an assumption based on the direction the Glowing Sea is in, but that's not really conclusive enough. Its likely a gigantic section of NYC was turned to rubble though, I mean its a metropolis. Its massive. Hard to imagine how they'd condense it into a game. THe entire map would be a city zone lol.

There's that one reference in the fallout bible

"In 2065, a nuclear reactor, struggling to power the city's population of seventeen million people, went supercritical for a period of about five minutes. While there was no explosion, the NYC incident coined the term "hot summer" for a heat-related electrical overload on nuclear systems. The event mandated power rationing throughout the city."

Which people misconstrue and assume the city is decimated. But you're right, no actual reference on it's state post war.

By the time Fallout 5 comes out I think it will be technically possible to render a city of that magnitude (whilst also being playable) . There's a lot they could do outside the city lines, people hear New York and forget it's a pretty big state. So they definitely have a lot to work with.

"Six hours later, at 09:13 EST, the Integrated Operational Nuclear Detection System detected the first four missile launches and the United States went to DEFCON 2. Four minutes later, NORAD confirmation sealed the fate of the world. At 09:26 EST, the president ordered a retaliatory strike according to scenario MX-CN91. Nuclear bombs hit Pennsylvania and New York at 09:42 EST. By 09:47 EST, most American facilities had gone offline"

Source [fallout.fandom.com]
it does not say if it was new york state or new york city though. altough i think its safe to say its the city that got hit.
it also says 4 nukes got detected, with Pennsylvania and New York being hit first. it might be that those where the initial 2 targets, with 2 being dropped on Pennsylvania and New York each. so large parts of the city might be gone. it could be largely unrecognizable.

but who knows, the state might be somewhat habitable, with new york city functioning as somewhat of a glowing sea like we see in fallout 4

Also, small side note,
"Six hours later, at 09:13 EST, the Integrated Operational Nuclear Detection System detected the first four missile launches and the United States went to DEFCON 2"
nuclear war only gets you to defcon 2, what on earth has to happen for defcon 1?

[The Cure]

NY is also shown in Fallout Tactics, but you could argue Beth could ret-con that if they wanted to.

I also think some scenes in the Fallout Streaming series coming out were filmed in and around NY, as well as casting sessions, but again, that could just be a generic East Coast thing.

[Nite69]

Fallout 5 should be in Detroit, its still the worst city in usa, lots of abandoned places around it

[_KC76_]

Re: New York

Several things can be possible at the same time, for example:
-Fallout is "set" in an alternate (or divergent) Timeline, but not an alternate Universe.
-War, war never changes... Nor does human nature:
--We can safely assume, the target of a nuclear attack in the alternate timeline would be similar to our IRL timeline:
---"Pennsylvania" would likely refer to the 3 largest cities; Philadelphia (historically significant), Pittsburgh (significant via resources and infrastructure manufacturing), and Harrisburg (significant to Government Operation).

We can likewise safely presume that "New York" refers to the State, and the targets would also be it's significant cities; Albany (government seat), Manhattan (financial and corporate), Long Island (population), other various "NY City" boroughs, and other major cities like Rochester and Buffalo, or Selkirk (Rail transportation hub).

In the FO timeline, I suspect NY would fair as well as DC or Boston, just on a larger scale.
It is my opinion that Bethesda avoided making FO4 in NY due to its shear size, and computer limitations of the time. Manhattan Island alone is as large as, or larger than, the entire Boston metro plus suburbs area, and Manhattan island is only a portion of New York City.

[Flippy]

Origineel geplaatst door The Cure:

NY is also shown in Fallout Tactics, but you could argue Beth could ret-con that if they wanted to.

I also think some scenes in the Fallout Streaming series coming out were filmed in and around NY, as well as casting sessions, but again, that could just be a generic East Coast thing.

Good point there.