you guys are a joke with all of your porn mods

[Indrid]

🤡🤡🤡

[ypuuh]

Oprindeligt skrevet af kdodds:

1. What porn mods? I don't use porn mods.
2. If you're not looking for porn mods, how do you know there are porn mods?

Literally the most popular of all time mod on the Fallout 4 nexus page is a porn mod, and it sucks. Every single time I look up a mod theres always some stupid CBBE bodyslide preset with a similar name for some stupid reason, it sucks so much and I hate it. I can never look for Fallout 4 mods when I'm near my parents. There are no porn mods on the Fallout 4 mods page in the game but on the nexus page there are thousands. And I know you're saying "oh turn off the adult filter" and if you're actually saying that then you're wrong. Like literally I cannot look up a single ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing without seeing 40 porn mods. It is so infuriating.

[Smokedice]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DouglasGrave:

Reproductive objectification is also pretty common, though, since any time you get someone suggesting a person has to find a partner just in order to produce children is treating the potential partner as just an object for reproduction. "You need to find yourself a nice girl to make me some grandkids."

"Just in order to produce children" okay, so you view finding mates and parenthood and the creation of children as a mere insignificant act. Thank you for exposing yourself.

[Сааребас]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DouglasGrave:

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As if woman don't objectify men. It is basic biology/psychology for both sexes.
It is the reason humankind has even made it this far since it is neccesary for reproduction.

The issue arises, or rather the moral issue, is when you treat a person solely as a means for a goal. Of which both men and woman are equally guilty and tbh men are mostly the victim of.
Not only by woman but also by other men.

The fact that woman are mostly portraited as victims of this (unconscious) bias is both objectification of both men and woman.

Objectification is a natural process for the human mind to make things easy to process all the different inputs observing reality throws at us.

The fact that nudity and pornographic material consist mostly of female bodies is two fold:
1. men are more visual orientated.
2. woman tend to be more open for bisexual urges.

Therefor that market is bigger for female representation.

Not only that but overall, men tend to "settle"while woman tend to "date up".
Most divorces and break ups are initiated by woman by a lardge margin nowadays.
Meaning there are more men "needy"then there are woman.


You already stated that morality only matters on the intention of how you treat another person. Therefor there is no morality to gain or lose in pornographic material, unless it's forbidden by law.

[DouglasGrave]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Smokedice:

Oprindeligt skrevet af DouglasGrave:

Reproductive objectification is also pretty common, though, since any time you get someone suggesting a person has to find a partner just in order to produce children is treating the potential partner as just an object for reproduction. "You need to find yourself a nice girl to make me some grandkids."

"Just in order to produce children" okay, so you view finding mates and parenthood and the creation of children as a mere insignificant act. Thank you for exposing yourself.

Regardless of how significant you might think it, viewing a woman as just a tool for producing children is objectification.

Your response sounds like you're defending treating a woman as just a baby factory.

[Smokedice]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DouglasGrave:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Smokedice:

"Just in order to produce children" okay, so you view finding mates and parenthood and the creation of children as a mere insignificant act. Thank you for exposing yourself.

Regardless of how significant you might think it, viewing a woman as just a tool for producing children is objectification.

Your response sounds like you're defending treating a woman as just a baby factory.

I'm pretty sure you're the only person I've ever met who:

1) describes child-bearing in such a demeaning way
2) views healthy sexual relationships as objectification

Your responses sound like you've never been in a serious relationship with a woman. Based off your attitude of women, sex, and children, I hope they avoid you like the plague.

[DouglasGrave]

Oprindeligt skrevet af пьяница:

As if woman don't objectify men. It is basic biology/psychology for both sexes.
It is the reason humankind has even made it this far since it is neccesary for reproduction.

Even when it comes to sexual reproduction, there's no strict need to objectify since that requires regarding the subject as only useful for reproduction. Humans in particular favour more complex partnerships where reproduction isn't the sole consideration, since we're a high-quality organism, rather than a high-quantity one.

Even if you might argue that tendency is ultimately driven by our pattern of reproduction, it means individuals often choose their partner as a person, rather than just a genetic donor.

Oprindeligt skrevet af пьяница:

The issue arises, or rather the moral issue, is when you treat a person solely as a means for a goal.

With pornography, the moral issue arises because the sexual objectification of women it encourages (primarily on the broader stage of society rather than within an individual piece of media), is harmful to them by negatively affecting how they are treated.

The other details are more heavily contended.

Oprindeligt skrevet af пьяница:

Objectification is a natural process for the human mind to make things easy to process all the different inputs observing reality throws at us.

Certainly, we objectify in order to simplify (reducing the interaction to just what we need from a person), and that's not a major problem as long as it isn't producing a harmful result.

Oprindeligt skrevet af пьяница:

You already stated that morality only matters on the intention of how you treat another person. Therefor there is no morality to gain or lose in pornographic material, unless it's forbidden by law.

Intentional action includes knowingly choosing to do something with the awareness it will cause harm.

Laws don't strictly have any direct connection, as those are merely artificial rules design to vaguely represent morality and maintain a stable society.

[The Undead Watcher]

Settings -> Library -> Disable Community Content. Problem solved now go troll somewhere else.

[DouglasGrave]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Smokedice:

I'm pretty sure you're the only person I've ever met who:

1) describes child-bearing in such a demeaning way
2) views healthy sexual relationships as objectification

Then you haven't met a very broad range of people.

1. Yes, funnily enough that objectification sounds demeaning, which is rather my point. That's why you should regard women as more than just baby factories.

2. If the people involved regard their partner (or partners) as just a means to get sexual gratification, a tool to serve their own needs, it is indeed objectification. Whether or not it is "healthy" according to some other standard of measurement is a different matter.

[Сааребас]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DouglasGrave:

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The fact most people on earth are heterosexual is because it is the ONLY way to repoduce naturaly. It doesn't matter how humans further reduce their choice by other preferences.
First and foremost;
For males it are females.
For females it are males.

Morality only becomes an issue on how you treat others which then in turn have a negative impact on the person who is treated in a certain way.

Ethically speaking we should always try to avoid negatively impacting others when we have a choice.

[Xenon The Noble]

I think you guys got off the subject, which is porn mods; i.e. what are the good ones, best slooty outfit and all that.

[Smokedice]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DouglasGrave:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Smokedice:

I'm pretty sure you're the only person I've ever met who:

1) describes child-bearing in such a demeaning way
2) views healthy sexual relationships as objectification

Then you haven't met a very broad range of people.

1. Yes, funnily enough that objectification sounds demeaning, which is rather my point. That's why you should regard women as more than just baby factories.

2. If the people involved regard their partner (or partners) as just a means to get sexual gratification, a tool to serve their own needs, it is indeed objectification. Whether or not it is "healthy" according to some other standard of measurement is a different matter.

1) You are the only person making a comparison of women to baby factories.
2) It is your fault if you use sex to serve your own needs. Maybe you should consider serving your partner's needs instead, if you ever manage to attract one.

[Senor Cinco]

Personally, I don't have an issue with them being somewhat common. I cannot count the number of superhero superfine comic boob... I mean, book. ( nvmd )

I'm just saying, that I can appreciate the female body. In fact, I think it's the most amazingly fascinating thing ever created. Not creepy, tho.

...unless.

EDIT:
Srly, tho... implementing a well done mod of explicit nature is one thing. This 8 yo mindset of exaggerated breasts is a bid (bit) much to handle.

Nonetheless,

"I know your house has been a sex pool for 200 years.
I don't need a partner.
Turn around, don't click on it ....and leave.
You have that option."

[P.]

Show me yours

[DouglasGrave]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Smokedice:

1) You are the only person making a comparison of women to baby factories.
2) It is your fault if you use sex to serve your own needs. Maybe you should consider serving your partner's needs instead, if you ever manage to attract one.

1. Sadly, I am not; there are plenty of people out there who do objectify women in that way (and have throughout history), and unlike me they do it in more than just the context of a discussion about it.

Consider the example words I gave before; if you hear someone suggesting a partner be obtained just so they can have grandkids, in that line of speech they have reduced the potential partner to just an object for satisfying their desires.

If that seems harmless, repeat it a hundred, a thousand, a million times; a deluge of objectifying attitude that seeps through society and colours the perception of women as simply breeding pods. And know that it is not even just a million times it has been said in reality.

Like pornography, the negatives come from a broad societal shift, rather than a single incident, which always seems perfectly harmless on its own.

2. Objectification comes not simply from satisfying needs, which can be mutual and wholesome (or are you perhaps a robot operating without desire?), but from treating a person as having no other worth besides their utility as a tool to that end.

It's sad in a different way that you cannot separate the discussion of that from thinking about me being associated with it in real life and waste your time on ad hominem.

[Hammer Of Evil]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Indrid:

Oprindeligt skrevet af kdodds:

1. What porn mods? I don't use porn mods.
2. If you're not looking for porn mods, how do you know there are porn mods?

@kdodds 1.the ones that fill the community screenshots on Fallout 4 when i go to launch the game 2. i cant scroll down and look at everyone's fan art of the game but more than 50% of those screenshots are nothing but mods of sexually explicit characters that they have downloaded and its absolutely disgusting that i have to witness that every day.

?????????????????

i scrolled down, didnt find any of what you're talking about?

ahahha. it might be super fun if your constant steam nsfw browsing is giving you more suggestions similar to your previous clicks. maybe clean out your steam cache once in a while lol.