Sturges...

[Xenon The Noble]

Does Mama Murphy know Sturges is a synth? if not, why didn't she know from "The Sight"?

Is Sturges' energy blue, like SS? Mama Murphy has a complete dossier on SS but knows nothing about Sturges who she was buddies with way back in Quincy? Does that seem right to you?

Does Garvey know Surges is a synth?

Does Sturges know he's a synth or is he victim of a Rail Road mind wipe?

If Synths are so dangerous, why won't Sturges get in the broken down power armor on the roof of the museum and save everyone that Garvey has lead to their being about to die from the raiders?

How come in a settlement, settlers always kill the raiders but these "settlers" can't do squat in the Museum?

So, Garvey wants to destroy the Institute for making synths, with the help of a synth, based only on some hate mongering done by Piper?

[Xenon The Noble]

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Wasn't the Institute's? Who released the synth then? Is there even a date to tell from when Railroad came to exist, because it's possible to be a recent organization then some old underground movement.

The Institute created the synth, it didn't do any precaution to avoid Broken Mask incident and it's likely to be a sabotage done within as director suspects. So, it's only fair that Institute is to be held accountable for the massacre.

If it was the first Type 3 synth out, ever, then it can't be that the RailRoad existed at the time, unless the founder of the RailRoad was a member of the institute.

So, a Synth gets out, don't know how and the Institute didn't intend it to get out because early prototype. The synth has a malfunction or was sabotaged or something and whatever it was the Institute is responsible anyway. Guilty based on what is not known.

[FedEx Noelle]

Originally posted by Chaosium:

Half of these questions have no known answer

Preston can't know that because his status as a synth is never mentioned anywhere. The only way to know that is because of the synth component on death and he's essential in the story
Synths aren't dangerous, that's just garbage propaganda from the raiderhood of steal
Preston wants to destroy the Institute because they kidnap people and destroy lives, not specifically because they create synths

I dunno bro, the raiderhood of steal seems pretty based.

[Xenon The Noble]

Originally posted by Director's Recording #108:

Dammit, Galton... What the hell is going on down there? I have to convene an emergency Directorate meeting because of this screw-up. That synth was a prototype. It was absolutely not ready for field testing! I will be very clear: my legacy as Director will not be tarnished by your division's mistakes. I am going to find out exactly who approved any sort of operation above ground, and that person will be held fully accountable. The mess it caused in Diamond City threatens decades of work to keep us out of the spotlight...

Ergo, all claims that the Institute did Broken Mask intentionally, e.g. Piper, are false

The Institute is as responsible for Broken Mask as the President Biden is for that Texas School shooting.

[Xenon The Noble]

She says "any sort of operation", not "Institute operation and I take full responsibility as the Institute".

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by SkunkPlaysGames:

The fact that it was an Institute operation is without question. It's a synth. It's an internal communique.

Someone inexplicably decided to send out the synth, but it's no sort of official operation as far as the Director was concerned. Someone incorrectly deployed it before it was ready (and as a prototype, it might never have been ready, with deployment left to later designs).

My own reading of the Broken Mask Incident itself is that the synth likely shorted something out by drinking alcohol (this being an early Gen 3 prototype with more extensive mechanical parts inside than later units, which are entirely synthetic flesh barring a synth component).

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Originally posted by Director's Recording #108:

Dammit, Galton... What the hell is going on down there? I have to convene an emergency Directorate meeting because of this screw-up. That synth was a prototype. It was absolutely not ready for field testing! I will be very clear: my legacy as Director will not be tarnished by your division's mistakes. I am going to find out exactly who approved any sort of operation above ground, and that person will be held fully accountable. The mess it caused in Diamond City threatens decades of work to keep us out of the spotlight...

Ergo, all claims that the Institute did Broken Mask intentionally, e.g. Piper, are false

Just Piper, huh? How about entire settlement working underground with a plan to bring synths and Institute down, DC citizens talking about their close ones being kidnapped, Bunker Hill vendor talking about someone kidnapped? There's even a scene in DC where a person suspects his brother of being replaced and likely Kyle was right because the NPC never reappears again. Magnolia, Sammy being replaced by synths or not, specifically Sammy who began to behave way differently from real Sammy.

It's not just Piper, everyone talks negatively about the Institute. You can put as much wool in your ears as you want, but the truth is loud and clear that eggheads are the baddies. If that's not enough, check the FEV labs and in what condition kidnapped lived in.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Ergo, all claims that the Institute did Broken Mask intentionally, e.g. Piper, are false

Just Piper, huh? How about entire settlement working underground with a plan to bring synths and Institute down, DC citizens talking about their close ones being kidnapped, Bunker Hill vendor talking about someone kidnapped? There's even a scene in DC where a person suspects his brother of being replaced and likely Kyle was right because the NPC never reappears again. Magnolia, Sammy being replaced by synths or not, specifically Sammy who began to behave way differently from real Sammy.

It's certainly not just Piper, but it's not exactly rational either; the DC citizens have reasoning that if anyone goes missing it must be the Institute (which is pretty questionable), and the scene in DC likewise is suggested to just be someone getting utterly paranoid, similar to other ridiculous claims of people being a synth due to leaving the cap off the toothpaste, or having hair that was too perfect.

There are a few genuine replacements (Sammy being one), but plenty of others like Magnolia that are apparently Railroad mindwipes instead. The trouble is that whenever a synth turns up, most surface dwellers automatically assume it's the Institute responsible and that it must be a replacement, even if there's no evidence of it. And because of that assumption, they conclude synths are everywhere.

Absurdly, even people going missing with no replacement ever showing up seems to be treated as evidence of replacements.

[Xenon The Noble]

Anti-Institute hysteria is written into the story. Just curious, I did a save and killed kyle's brother, who was accused of being a synth by Kyle. Yeah, he wasn't a synth and was a victim of anti-Institute hysteria.

The message the game gives you is don't be a sheep and get both sides of the story. That's what people do, get informed and make decisions. They don't go with the murder mob.

Woosh! There it goes over most people's heads. Fine. It's a fun game.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Anti-Institute hysteria is written into the story. Just curious, I did a save and killed kyle's brother, who was accused of being a synth by Kyle. Yeah, he wasn't a synth and was a victim of anti-Institute hysteria.

The message the game gives you is don't be a sheep and get both sides of the story. That's what people do, get informed and make decisions. They don't go with the murder mob.

Woosh! There it goes over most people's heads. Fine. It's a fun game.

'Anti-Institute hysteria'. What next, 'Anti-Galactic Empire hysteria', 'Anti-Enclave hysteria?' that storytellers will make up?
Kyle's brother is missing his synth component but there's no information on what prompted Kyle to point gun at his sibling, where he draw his conclusion from. But also Kyle's brother disappears after this scene, never seen again and nobody even notices it in the city. It's very odd, I'd say it was Bethesda's misstep and improper writing, but I wouldn't dismiss that because Kyle's brother blew up his cover he was taken back by Institute. Glory doesn't have a synth component, some other obvious synths miss them but it doesn't make them not synths.

Not the other way around when new shady leadership attempts to cover up kidnappings, not bothering to investigate at all? It is stated that DC Guards sometimes ignore most of the crimes, seems more like that current mayor tries hard to keep the herd from rebelling. Piper is right to be suspicious, she doesn't have evidence but she is proven right when it turns out that the mayor was a synth.

[MasterShake]

Admittedly while Galactic Empire sometimes was going overkill, its corrupted and useless throu and throu predecessor got exactly what it deserved.
And Enclave was painted so hilariously cartoonish-style evil, that one may ask, how much truth may realistically be behind that.
In fact you could say same about GE too.
(And yea, no Sith, include Emperor of Old and ridiculosly powerful Sith Lords of that timelines, was ever close to inflict same damage to the Galaxy far far away through their whole lives, as Disney did in but years)

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Kyle's brother is missing his synth component but there's no information on what prompted Kyle to point gun at his sibling,

That's exactly the point. Whatever it was, the accused man wasn't a synth. In fact the Institute already had the only one synth they ever needed in DC placed and ready to serve. Ironically Mayor got his position completely legitimally by making use of blindness, ignorance and stupidity of such people.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by MasterShake:

Admittedly while Galactic Empire sometimes was going overkill, its corrupted and useless predecessor got exactly what it deserved. And Enclave was painted so hilariously cartoonish-style evil, that one may ask, how much truth may realistically be behind that.

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Kyle's brother is missing his synth component but there's no information on what prompted Kyle to point gun at his sibling,

That's exactly the point. Whatever it was, the accused man wasn't a synth. In fact the Institute already had the only one synth they ever needed in DC placed and ready to serve. Ironically that synth got his position completely legitimally by making use of blindness, ignorance and stupidity of such people.

Okay, so... I will simply say I disagree about Galactic Republic and not turn this into Star Wars debate. I will say that Old Republic was better and the prequels-Republic was corrupt but I believe it's influence of the Sith, particularly Palpatine. Enclave is subject for other time for me

True, and its ambiguous if Kyle was right or not. My point was, we can't know for certain.
DC later regretted the decision when electing the new mayor and it's not even certain if the mayor was replaced immediately, before or after he took the office. So, it's more likely the mayor was always a xenophobe and exiled ghouls before he was replaced by a synth and then when corruption under him swept the citizens of DC regretted the decision of electing him. No one is seen happy or endorsing McDonought in a fanatical or approving way. Way I saw it, most DC citizens dislike him

[MasterShake]

There're and always were forces in the darkness preying on common folk. But if you are going to rationalize witch hunts with that, the discussion is indeed pointless.

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

most DC citizens dislike him

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

when corruption under him swept the citizens of DC regretted the decision of electing him.

If that was truly so, he would no longer be mayor. It's little more than tribal age, mind it. If by dislike you mean kitchen talks, then every single goverment or governor on Earth is disliked. DC citizens have food, water, medical. engineering and education services, protection, jobs, little to no internal crime and...yea, citizenship (ghouls and raiders don't). For a commoner that means mayor is doing his job well above average, even in our timeline.

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Republic was corrupt but I believe it's influence of the Sith, particularly Palpatine.

Sorry, but this is horrible bs. When people do evil and sht things to each other, it's utter bs to blame chancellor, chairman, president, king or whatever sith out there. And both Republic and the Jedi became what they became long before Palpatine was born.
We may agree to disagree, but just saying - non of origins ever gave any idea how is life under the GE rule for common folk. We are just told things from one side perspective, without any reasoning or backing data.

[Xenon The Noble]

Star Wars has nothing at all to do with this.

And not having a synth component means "not a synth". Kyle's brother doesn't have one. Kill him and check it out. The whole incident is to drive home to the player that anti-synth hysteria is a big thing, as are the settlers inhabiting SS settlements accusing him of being a synth sent to spy on them.

Glory has a synth component, but no Courser chip. Kill her and check it out.

The Kyle incident shows that there is anti-institute hysteria, and it's even mentioned in one of the loading pages that the Institute has become the Commonwealth "boogieman".

Calling people story tellers and then making stuff up is kinda... ironic.

Sturges is still a synth. Why would they write that into the game if it is never to be discovered? Even Danse eventually gets discovered in the BOS story line, when the mostly peaceful BOS is on a murder rage to against everyone with clean bed sheets.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Star Wars has nothing at all to do with this.

And not having a synth component means "not a synth". Kyle's brother doesn't have one. Kill him and check it out. The whole incident is to drive home to the player that anti-synth hysteria is a big thing, as are the settlers inhabiting SS settlements accusing him of being a synth sent to spy on them.

Glory has a synth component, but no Courser chip. Kill her and check it out.

The Kyle incident shows that there is anti-institute hysteria, and it's even mentioned in one of the loading pages that the Institute has become the Commonwealth "boogieman".

Calling people story tellers and then making stuff up is kinda... ironic.

Sturges is still a synth. Why would they write that into the game if it is never to be discovered? Even Danse eventually gets discovered in the BOS story line, when the mostly peaceful BOS is on a murder rage to against everyone with clean bed sheets.

So, the girl from Far Harbor isn't a synth despite this being constantly debated and it seems by the story and evidence more to favor her being a synth despite not having a component? I don't remember it clearly, but sometimes some synths don't drop the component, sometimes by bug ghouls can possess a synth component, but it doesn't mean they are a synth.

Oh poor little Institute, how dare it be feared and hated for things like kidnapping, FEV experimentations and massacring settlement like University Point. Definitely wastelanders just making up Anti-Institute hysteria.

And it isn't the most ironic thing defending the Institute so fiercely?

It had something to do with MM questline, it was scrapped by Sturges stayed a synth and was likely liberated by RR before being mind wiped to believe to be a settler from Quincy.

Originally posted by MasterShake:

There're and always were forces in the darkness preying on common folk. But if you are going to rationalize witch hunts with that, the discussion is indeed pointless.

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

most DC citizens dislike him

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

when corruption under him swept the citizens of DC regretted the decision of electing him.

If that was truly so, he would no longer be mayor. It's little more than tribal age, mind it. If by dislike you mean kitchen talks, then every single goverment or governor on Earth is disliked. DC citizens have food, water, medical. engineering and education services, protection, jobs, little to no internal crime and...yea, citizenship (ghouls and raiders don't). For a commoner that means mayor is doing his job well above average, even in our timeline.

It's also not easy to overthrow a mayor when the DC is split on how to feel about him. Civilians there aren't Minutemen and only one vendor knows how to handle a gun, while most likely don't. Yes, most of it is a kitchen talk and I should've clarified on this, but it still shows that the mayor's reputation isn't as bright as it is believed to be. There was no cause or huge accident to remove McDonought until he was caught in the act by Piper and then there was attempted arrest, but he took a hostage and took care of the guard.

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Republic was corrupt but I believe it's influence of the Sith, particularly Palpatine.

Sorry, but this is horrible bs. When people do evil and sht things to each other, it's utter bs to blame chancellor, chairman, president, king or whatever sith out there. And both Republic and the Jedi became what they became long before Palpatine was born.
We may agree to disagree, but just saying - non of origins ever gave any idea how is life under the GE rule for common folk. We are just told things from one side perspective, without any reasoning or backing data.

Did you read the EU? I honestly don't remember much after long time, but I still remember that after long time of peace there was no reason to keep an army, so Republic reformed it into peace keeping force. It wasn't perfect, but galaxy was stable with no Sith Empire until Palpatine and Plagueis started playing politics. Valorum was specifically used as a ploy for bad decisions made by Palpatine, but the public would blame the Chancellor. I think there's even a video on it how politics worked prior to prequels, you should watch it. Blaming EU Jedi and Republic before events of prequels is a poor idea considering that the two fought against a much worse opponent. And the Galactic Republic in the prequels is not perfect, but it's way better than CIS so let's not even start this next step of: 'How CIS were the good guys'.

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Originally posted by Director's Recording #108:

Dammit, Galton... What the hell is going on down there? I have to convene an emergency Directorate meeting because of this screw-up. That synth was a prototype. It was absolutely not ready for field testing! I will be very clear: my legacy as Director will not be tarnished by your division's mistakes. I am going to find out exactly who approved any sort of operation above ground, and that person will be held fully accountable. The mess it caused in Diamond City threatens decades of work to keep us out of the spotlight...

Ergo, all claims that the Institute did Broken Mask intentionally, e.g. Piper, are false

The Institute is as responsible for Broken Mask as the President Biden is for that Texas School shooting.

This isn't the place for it, but I will put this question to you to ponder on your own:
- If someone is not "involved", assisting to facilitate these resent "incidents" of 18-ish aged people doing those "bad things" ... How is an 18 year old kid able to afford to purchase SEVERAL $2500 "devices" plus "accessories" ... thats like a $5000 to $7500 investment in JUST the "devices" ... these were High-End "devices", not your average kit-assembled "devices", not "home-made Devices" ... It's all part of "he who is senile's party" agenda: "heck yeah, we're gonna come take your "devices"".