(Spoilers) Is there any way to avoid the mission Blind Betrayal?

[Lucius Confucius]

I tried killing Father as soon as I could, but then Maxson wants me to give the holotape to Ingram.

What do I do to avoid getting the holotape to Ingram? I want to keep Danse in the Brotherhood forever.

[Zekiran]

You can't, that's never part of the game's plot. When you side with the Brotherhood that will happen.

[Lucius Confucius]

Hmm, are you sure? I read this:
"You can do the Brotherhood of Steel ending without doing Blind Betrayal. You just have to do quests for the institute until you get the Mass Fusion quest. But don't relay to the Mass Fusion building, instead, go to the Brotherhood and warn them about the institute's plans. That will start Spoils of War and lead up to the Brotherhood ending without doing Blind Betrayal."

On reddit, link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fo4/comments/4h8z45/avoid_blind_betrayal_spoilers/

[Zekiran]

Then do that? I mean... If that's how you want to cheese it, it's not really 'the Brotherhood' arc as it is presented.

[Lucius Confucius]

Just wondering if anyone else has done it, if it actually works. Don't want to be doing a bunch of institute quests for nothing.

[Death Approaches]

console commands are your friends in this; it should be trivial (standing still) to start and complete each Institute quest in sequence. Solely as a test, of course!

Someone did make a mod back in the early days to try this exact thing, to keep Danse on board and in good standing. IIRC the original idea was to push the quest ID and story arc to Paladin Brandis at Bunker Theta - the reason the whole squad got wiped and scuttled their PA was, you guessed it, I'M A CYLON! Oops I mean Synth! That was meant that, you'd go back, paste him as your Elder told you, not feel guilty in the least, and move on. But it never fully worked AFAIK and broke the game still. (and BoS would still be hostile to you if you companion'd with D, etc.)

Usually people that want Danse to stay BoS don't do BoS, they do Railroad takes out Institute line. No one's the wiser who's a synth and who's not, Danse stays on the airship.

No sorry I don't know if that subreddit post is accurate, but reddit isn't known for being polite if you got something factually wrong, so I'd assume it does work.

[JobeGardener]

Why do you want to keep him alive when all he does is miss his targets miserably and gets in your way whenever you fire your weapon?

[Zekiran]

Originally posted by JobeGardener:

Why do you want to keep him alive when all he does is miss his targets miserably and gets in your way whenever you fire your weapon?

I mean, that's literally every companion.

This one just has with only one exception, the largest bulk to get in your way while doing...

[Xenon The Noble]

I mean maxson tells you to kill your son and kill your partner, and you're squeamish!? THIS IS MAXSON! If you're BOS he's a GAWD! Most in the brotherhood's last words are "For... Elder... Maxson!" (I know, i've killed hundreds of them.)

[Zekiran]

(meanwhile the other BOS groups elsewhere are like "thank god they took all the absolute nutbag zealots out there to Boston, now we can go on with our lives actually doing engineering work...")

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

console commands are your friends in this; it should be trivial (standing still) to start and complete each Institute quest in sequence. Solely as a test, of course!

Someone did make a mod back in the early days to try this exact thing, to keep Danse on board and in good standing. IIRC the original idea was to push the quest ID and story arc to Paladin Brandis at Bunker Theta - the reason the whole squad got wiped and scuttled their PA was, you guessed it, I'M A CYLON! Oops I mean Synth! That was meant that, you'd go back, paste him as your Elder told you, not feel guilty in the least, and move on. But it never fully worked AFAIK and broke the game still. (and BoS would still be hostile to you if you companion'd with D, etc.)

Usually people that want Danse to stay BoS don't do BoS, they do Railroad takes out Institute line. No one's the wiser who's a synth and who's not, Danse stays on the airship.

No sorry I don't know if that subreddit post is accurate, but reddit isn't known for being polite if you got something factually wrong, so I'd assume it does work.

theres mods for everything even keeping father alive and danse in the railroad / minutemen / institute.

just a matter of finding them

[Lucius Confucius]

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

console commands are your friends in this; it should be trivial (standing still) to start and complete each Institute quest in sequence. Solely as a test, of course!

Someone did make a mod back in the early days to try this exact thing, to keep Danse on board and in good standing. IIRC the original idea was to push the quest ID and story arc to Paladin Brandis at Bunker Theta - the reason the whole squad got wiped and scuttled their PA was, you guessed it, I'M A CYLON! Oops I mean Synth! That was meant that, you'd go back, paste him as your Elder told you, not feel guilty in the least, and move on. But it never fully worked AFAIK and broke the game still. (and BoS would still be hostile to you if you companion'd with D, etc.)

Usually people that want Danse to stay BoS don't do BoS, they do Railroad takes out Institute line. No one's the wiser who's a synth and who's not, Danse stays on the airship.

No sorry I don't know if that subreddit post is accurate, but reddit isn't known for being polite if you got something factually wrong, so I'd assume it does work.

Thanks, yeah I guess the only way is to try it out. I will try it out the ordinary way just in case something gets bugged through console use.

[Rider]

Danse doesn't have to die. All you have to do is persuade Maxson to let him live. But you'll need to max out your charisma first.

[Lucius Confucius]

Originally posted by Rider:

Danse doesn't have to die. All you have to do is persuade Maxson to let him live. But you'll need to max out your charisma first.

I want Danse still allied to the BoS, because I do a lot of their radiant quests together with Danse. Because Danse is the baddest MF in the Wasteland.

[Rider]

Originally posted by Rider:

Danse doesn't have to die. All you have to do is persuade Maxson to let him live. But you'll need to max out your charisma first.

And never use console commands to complete or alter quests.

[Rider]

Well, you can try the "No Brotherhood Hostility" mod. He won't be "in" the BOS, but the BOS won't be hostile to him. You can pretend he's in the BOS. I've used the mod for years and it works well.

Here's the link: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/12814