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Well said. I agree.
I guess one could assume if they took over the Institute, they would have control over the synth soldiers and Coursers there, then declare Marshall Law. But the game certainly does not allow such to happen, except in the imagination of the player. Which is another flaw in the quest line if you side with the Institute.
Well, we are on a roll in complete agreement. lol.
The one who gives orders for their hit-men for a task, yet gives them no guidelines on how to accomplish it, are just as guilty as them if they commit a crime of murder and atrocities.
And the father and others in the Institute are hypocrites to suggest they bare no responsibility for his actions.
Of the two cases we know most directly (Vault 111 and University Point), each show not unprovoked cruelty, but ruthless suppression of any possible threat to himself or his mission, which is the same behaviour he showed when first confronting the Institute and their synths. If there's the slightest danger, he typically tries to end it as immediately as possible. It's an attitude schooled by a long life in the wasteland.
The Institute made use of Kellogg because he was a tool suited to the job of wasteland operations, but he isn't just a mad dog they unleash. He's instead a person with deliberate parallels to the Sole Survivor who shows how someone might choose to live in the face of a dangerous world (especially when they don't have the convenience of a savegame ensuring their life).
A frequent poster who on many occasions, makes some posts and asks questions which some think are outlandish or rather dumb. I find none of his posts to be objectionable and actually some to be worthy of discussion.
Well, that depends entirely what you give him. He doesn't need to be "hollow shell", unless you want him to.
My "Nate" was an engineer during the war. He worked with Power Armors and has deep knowledge of them, but he never really believed the war that was going on.
His unit got ambushed. Only few survived, Nate among them. He was released from duty after that, but problems followed him. He had inability to focus on anything else, except for science and physical training. Nora understood what his husband was going through, even if it was hard. Nate said he would see the explosion that wiped the unit almost every time he closed his eyes.
Right before the bombs were dropped, Nate had offers from both military and university. That very morning he had maid the decision to drop his military life for good and focus on education career. That decision gave him some closure and peace.
And we know what happened next. Highly intelligent man, suffering from heavy trauma wakes up from apocalyptic world. While his emotions would run him to find his son, he is intelligent enough not to run after in to unknown. Sanctuary and Minutemen gave him something to focus, keeping his mind active and strong enough to figure out what was actually going on.
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That is just on of the "Nates" I had.
Who is Nate?
He is who ever you want him to be.
The only uncle I had that liked war was my mom's brother. Mom said he fought the Nazis from some training fort in Texas, burning brooms and blankets after each group shipped out to make sure that the locals didn't get them and destroy the local economy. He wanted me to go to Vietnam...
It's an alternative reality, if you look at what Nuka-cola, Vault Tec, that fusion company, that chemical company... what they were all dong, they were more wicked than the Institute.
Did Nate free Cogsworth? Nope! The only question he and Nora had about getting Mr. Handy was if he would do useful work.
Minutemen? Okay, Nate fought in the Alaska war. The Minutemen don't even fight for themselves and always ask Nate to do the heavy lifting, and when it's crunch time, they not only don't have your back, they ditch you like you're yesterdays trash. Nate finds dead Minutemen, Brotherhood of Steel and RailRoad all over the Commonwealth. I don't think, as a military vet, he would be keen on fighting for people who won't even join him in their own fight.
Nate needed one thing, help to get into the institute in a desperate attempt to find his young son. As valid as any mission that Garvey sends Nate on! Tho' Garvey calls Nate "General", it's like Nate was some kind of easily amused idiot. Garvey promises to help Nate, but Garvey doesn't keep his promise. Garvey lies. Nate saves his life and those of his band of "settlers" who won't fight for their own lives. Garvey's motivation to help Nate is like the other factions: they just want into the Institute so they can murder them. Nate asks for help with Virgil's schematics - all Nate needs is Sturgis to look at the schematics. NOPE! Sorry general! Thanks for saving our lives, making beds, shelter, water, crops and defenses, but you need to run more errands for Garvey so he can become more famous for helping people. Then Garvey decides Nate is a useful idiot for his designs to murder the institute.
Raiders are just like the nobility in European and Japanese feudal systems. Given time, the raiders (sociopaths) would become the new nobility. I'm not sure when the English nobility stopped putting the bodies of drawn and quartered dead on pikes on London bridge, and the raiders are doing the exact same thing.
The tech they were looking for was the infinite fire Laser Rifle. Someone from UP found it, Shot their mouths off to traders asking how much they'd pay for it, The traders are all in the institute's pocket so they snitched about it, And kellogg came knocking.
It's kind of funny how people hark on the bos claiming they shoot up settlements for rare tech, when the institute is actually the one doing it lol.
And the BOS constantly backed nate up on his missions. They backed him up during fort strong, They gave danse permission to accompany nate, They give you power armor units and access to their inventory.
That's the thing, The BOS are the most well off out of all the factions, even the institute. Nate could not exist, and the BOS still gets their objectives done.
I can't see him siding with the BOS for one big reason.
Pre-War ghouls. By his sensibilities, those are fellow american citizens (or chinese if he went for a certain swim) that are badly injured, but are his contemporaries. They are the last people who share memories with him.
And the BOS hates them.
Of course, no-one except the few pre-war researchers who once worked in the secret lab at University Point knew that the research had turned out to only be useful for much smaller-scale applications, with the improved laser rifle being the result.