Seriously sick and tired of ghouls.

[The Nameless]

They can barely move, then you take a shot, your aim is bang-on but the hit simply doesn't count, so Bethesda built a cheat into them right off the bat, and then suddenly they can bob and weave like a squirrel on crack? Come on.

I get that Bethesda wanted them to be more than just standing targets. I just think that's completely stupid, Of course they should be slow, easy targets. Having them be some kind of half-melted Batman clones is stupid.

I even found a mod that was supposed to make them cut the crap and be what they should be, but it didn't work.

(sigh) And they'd have to be the most common thing in the damn game, too.

[Hanuman]

Originally posted by The Nameless:

They can barely move, then you take a shot, your aim is bang-on but the hit simply doesn't count

I was wondering about that. I just put 2k hours into a hunting sim where bullet placement is paramount, and I kept wondering why in Fo4 I seem to miss so much. I assumed it was mutated creatures acting funny...

[Chaosium]

Of course they should not, this ain't new vegas where you can overpower 98% of the creatures by shooting while backpeddling

[danconnors]

I wouldn't enjoy a game much where I just shot cans off of branches. I'm glad that they're so ferociously dangerous.

[Zekiran]

Are you using garbage weapons?

Are you not using VATS?

Are you on Survival hard? I mean... even early on there's headshots and one hit kills aplenty in normal / hard modes so... not sure what problem you're having but they are definitely the easiest creatures aside from small radroaches to kill. Get used to using VATS until you have a strong weapon. Obviously also, if you're trying to use something other than k/m controls you're gimped from the start, so I hope you are just not ... very good with a mouse to say that you 'bang on' and miss.

And also, "you think they should be slow"... well, my dude, they aren't. Get used to it.

[SubTonic]

Since when were ghouls supposed to be slow? In the vast majority of fiction they exist, they're essentially fast zombies.

[Shadowrun]

i use this zombie mod. rather than add zombies to the game they just altered the ghouls to be more like zombies. makes way more sense to me. and if you want there's all kinds of settings for it, you can make the zombies have a deadly bite if you want. you can even turn like all humans or all monsters / bugs / whatever into zombies. lots of options with this mod.

Zombie Walkers
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/20485

[DouglasGrave]

I don't like fighting ghouls, but I like that they made them more interesting anyway.

There's an entirely different feel to fighting them compared to raiders/gunners/scavengers who all operate in basically the same way.

[The Nameless]

Originally posted by danconnors:

I wouldn't enjoy a game much where I just shot cans off of branches. I'm glad that they're so ferociously dangerous.

Go fight something else. There's plenty of dangerous things in Fallout 4 that in some way make sense to be dangerous, and that are actually challenging and even scary instead of stupid, cheaty and annoying. Try a deathclaw.

[Necron Monolith ₿]

I relish fighting ferals actually. If there's one thing that can put me on edge & run like a skeert liddle girl on occasion though it'd be a mini-nuke with beeper sound on a green man.

[The Nameless]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

I don't like fighting ghouls, but I like that they made them more interesting anyway.

There's an entirely different feel to fighting them compared to raiders/gunners/scavengers who all operate in basically the same way.

You mean in the way that makes sense. As I said to the last guy, if you want something like that, fight a deathclaw. Or a behemoth. Or an assaultron, which are also annoying, but which make sense and are not stupid.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by The Nameless:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

I don't like fighting ghouls, but I like that they made them more interesting anyway.

There's an entirely different feel to fighting them compared to raiders/gunners/scavengers who all operate in basically the same way.

You mean in the way that makes sense. As I said to the last guy, if you want something like that, fight a deathclaw. Or a behemoth. Or an assaultron, which are also annoying, but which make sense and are not stupid.

I'm mostly offering my opinion in agreeing, though the feral ghouls have their own unique style as well, with their hiding and sudden explosion into violent movement and leaps after ambling slowly about.

I'm not strictly against them being unnaturally agile, though I'd prefer them to do it by actually running about crazily than having a fakeout animation.

[The Nameless]

Originally posted by Bourbon Antichrist:

I relish fighting ferals actually. If there's one thing that can put me on edge & run like a skeert liddle girl on occasion though it'd be a mini-nuke with beeper sound on a green man.

Haha yeah, the suiciders are interesting. Good source of mini-nukes too, or a good way to one-shot an entire squad, if you shoot the mini nuke. You know, the ferals wouldn't be so bad if it counted every shot I actually hit them with. That's really my biggest complaint. If they didn't get that cheaty freebie it wouldn't bother me so much. It'd still bother me some, because something that rotten should NOT be able to move like that, but at least it wouldn't be a flat-out cheat.

Edit: Oh yeah, the suiciders! One time one of them hollered "We are super mutants! We are the future!" and then suicided to kill a bloatfly.

[The Nameless]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by The Nameless:

You mean in the way that makes sense. As I said to the last guy, if you want something like that, fight a deathclaw. Or a behemoth. Or an assaultron, which are also annoying, but which make sense and are not stupid.

I'm mostly offering my opinion in agreeing, though the feral ghouls have their own unique style as well, with their hiding and sudden explosion into violent movement and leaps after ambling slowly about.

I'm not strictly against them being unnaturally agile, though I'd prefer them to do it by actually running about crazily than having a fakeout animation.

Or, here's an idea, what if they didn't get to make that first bullet vanish, but if it wasn't a kill shot (which most of them can take at least two or three shots, so most of the time it won't be) they fall down clumsily but then do a fast-crawl towards you on the floor? Still kind of scary and at least as challenging to hit, but no more ninja-zombie.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by The Nameless:

If they didn't get that cheaty freebie it wouldn't bother me so much. It'd still bother me some, because something that rotten should NOT be able to move like that, but at least it wouldn't be a flat-out cheat.

They're not actually rotten per se, and even look somewhat less "burned" by radiation than non-ferals since the damage is mostly filled in by regrown flesh that gives them a sort of pulpy look (reaching its peak with the bulk of charred ferals).

Originally posted by The Nameless:

Or, here's an idea, what if they didn't get to make that first bullet vanish, but if it wasn't a kill shot (which most of them can take at least two or three shots, so most of the time it won't be) they fall down clumsily but then do a fast-crawl towards you on the floor? Still kind of scary and at least as challenging to hit, but no more ninja-zombie.

It does feel like a missed opportunity that they don't crawl after you in the manner of assaultrons.

[Zekiran]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

It does feel like a missed opportunity that they don't crawl after you in the manner of assaultrons.

The first time one of those things came after me like that I almost turned the game off for good.

I am terrified of bots lol (go figure I'm a huge synth supporter) that whole 'terminator gonna getcha' thing was spectacularly used here.