Is EVERYONE at Covenant Guilty?

[molten]

(spoilers)

I just did the quest "Human Error" where I saved the synth and killed everyone at the Compound and Covenant. While I was okay with killing the guards at the Compound, I felt bad killing everyone at Covenant. It makes sense to kill the perps such as the mayor but what about the settlers? They got in by going through the SAFE test right? So they may have been just like the Sole Survivor. Regular wastelanders who needed a place to call home. But they opened fire at me as soon as they saw me, along side with the actual perps of the tortures and murders of the innocent. Is it implied anywhere that all the people living in Covenant are at fault for this? It doesn't feel like Fallout at all where you HAVE TO kill people to get something done. Especially killing an ENTIRE SETTLEMENT no matter how evil they might've been. I mean... no speech checks to convince the doctor and her followers that her ways of exposing synths is immoral and unjustified? You can tell her this; but it doesn't lead anywhere other than the Sole Survivor killing either Honest Dan or everyone else with the Compound. I didn't like this quest one bit. What are your thoughts?

[Zekiran]

On one hand, yes. They're all there because they hate/fear/and want to harm synths.

On the other, yes, but because the game engine can't seem to sort out good from bad and the entire settlement's worth of npcs are in fact coded to that settlement whether they want to be or not.

[Chaosium]

Literally everyone in Covenant is involved, they know what is going on, they play there part in that whole masquerade, they had it coming.

[Ellorien]

If you feel like killing a bunch of people at the Compound for the sake of “saving” one mass-produced robot is the right thing to do then why do you feel bad about killing their comrades at Covenant? The guards at the Compound are from Covenant and probably have the same, if not worse, traumatic experience as the Covenant residents, as far as you know.

You choose the side depending on what character you roleplay. If your char is Railroad material, a mountain of human corpses should not be an issue.
You were allowed to join the faction only if you pledged to risk your own life to save a synth. If a few dozens of humans must be slaughtered in the process of saving a synth as well, so be it. Get with the program. Butcher them all and be proud of your righteous indignation. You saved a synth. That is all that matters. If you talked to Stockton before going to Compound you may even get a few extra caps for your efforts.

[molten]

Originally posted by Ellorien:

If your char is Railroad material,

I haven't met the Railroad people yet, maybe I should have. But if their goal is to save synths, my char might be Railroad material after all.

[Ellorien]

Good luck!

[felmari]

they are all aware. perhaps some though may or may not agree with the tactics. people have gone along with a lot of things just for a sense of belonging safety comfort.

you know though that quest where you are trying to find the daughter is a synth and mind you daughter thus was replaced. there system i am sure would get many false positives though.

[wtiger27]

They all are guilty in assisting murders by the Doctor. Go to the hidden compound, the guards will attack you. Kill all of them and then the doctor, who deserves to die. When you go back to Covenant, they will all attack you. Defend yourself from the cult.

[Iron Knights]

On my second run I killed nobody. On my first run I had a bug where I think my robot opened fire on the merc. then everyone else joined or even after passing the test, they instantly saw me hostile. I would never side with the RR. So might be a quest bug.

[jynx]

Some of the settlers are victims of Institute shenanigans, so it's not much of a moral leap to give full support. The real evil is killing people out of hand because of delusional circular thinking. Kind of like Peter Evans in Bug. Or Imposter comes to mind: they literally had to kill them to stop the bomb going off.

[Valden21]

Originally posted by felmari:

they are all aware. perhaps some though may or may not agree with the tactics. people have gone along with a lot of things just for a sense of belonging safety comfort.

you know though that quest where you are trying to find the daughter is a synth and mind you daughter thus was replaced. there system i am sure would get many false positives though.

It's implied that's the biggest problem with the SAFE test. It's got a failure rate of 25%, and answering certain question in a specific way indicate that the person is a synth, regardless of what the rest of their answers are. Combined with the fact that those who fail get tortured, the fact that everybody's only tested once, and that the scientist who created it refuses to admit its flaws, and we've got a coal-mine canary that's already died.

[Yellowbeard]

The members of covenant are engaging in what destroyed civilization in the first place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism


"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHMIfOecrlo

[felmari]

there are no good sides here. just fear and a really bad reaction to that fear. a adversary they can not see and can infiltrate them as their leaders and friends. those methods can foster a lot of paranoia and radical actions.

[Anvos]

Covenant are victims of Railroad releasing defective toasters into the wild and people like Piper who spread synth paranoia, so I don't see a need to kill one of the few unique towns in the Commonwealth.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Joker Face:

Can I create my own settlement from the beginning, how about all original defence system? Because I read that is little bit buggy?! You can´t use these turrets, you have destroyed all turrets but if you bring your settlers with you- they don´t allow you pick up items here, itś like a stolen stuff - you must place all stuff in the workshop. How create your own settlements here without any problems?

The turrets can be replaced with your own, but you have to use the console to do so. However, you can still place your own turrets there after destroying the original ones. Just not on the platforms they are on. And you will be stuck with burning turrets.

Pick up all the stuff marked in red ( stolen ) before you bring or recruit any settlers there. The place is really not buggy. Just requires some careful preparation and the player feeling comfortable using the console commands.

The stolen stuff, can still be scraped if it is a item which normally can be. The resource then will be stored in the workshop. Or stored in the workshop or taken by the player to another settlement or dumped.

Covenant can be fixed up really nice looking. As it is one of the cleanest in the game. I have did it several times. It's one draw back is, being small.

[duanevp]

If you kill ONE person at Covenant who really has it coming then they all start shooting at you. Essentially, they are at that moment choosing their side - which is whatever side YOU are not on. You really don't have a choice. They either get away with what they did - or you kill 'em all. Nothing in between you can do.