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Archer801 10 ABR 2022 a las 19:18
persuasion never 100%
I see 8 or so mods, to make persuasion easier... I'm actually looking for one that makes 100% chance an impossibility even at 10+ Charisma. I need charisma for settlers, and such, but then it becomes god mode for speech checks... I dont like that. I cant be the only one who feels a bit cheaty when I can pass 3 speech checks as I yawn my way though dialog.
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DouglasGrave 14 ABR 2022 a las 2:33 
Publicado originalmente por Wasteland Project:
Honestly with clothes that increase charisma I have never believed it too much when it comes to settlements: once the recruitment signal is on, they arrive anyway, I'm experimenting with Sancutary right now, leave the signal on and it's almost at maximum, I'm twenty.
The engine doesn't look at how the ♥♥♥♥ we dressed up or how many drugs we ingested (BUFF?), is just for interactions. LOL
It typically has a cap of 10+Charisma for most settlements, which is usually plenty.

The population limit is much more obvious when moving people around than when recruiting with a radio beacon, since you have direct control and can see immediately when a settlement won't take any more people.
Última edición por DouglasGrave; 14 ABR 2022 a las 2:33
Wasteland Project 14 ABR 2022 a las 2:39 
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
Publicado originalmente por Wasteland Project:
Honestly with clothes that increase charisma I have never believed it too much when it comes to settlements: once the recruitment signal is on, they arrive anyway, I'm experimenting with Sancutary right now, leave the signal on and it's almost at maximum, I'm twenty.
The engine doesn't look at how the ♥♥♥♥ we dressed up or how many drugs we ingested (BUFF?), is just for interactions. LOL
It typically has a cap of 10+Charisma for most settlements, which is usually plenty.

The population limit is much more obvious when moving people around than when recruiting with a radio beacon, since you have direct control and can see immediately when a settlement won't take any more people.
I believe that recruitment radio beacon cancels the rule of charisma and fills full, charisma is valid without. I think quantities of food and water, shops and more are also at stake.
Última edición por Wasteland Project; 14 ABR 2022 a las 2:40
DouglasGrave 14 ABR 2022 a las 2:47 
Publicado originalmente por Wasteland Project:
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
It typically has a cap of 10+Charisma for most settlements, which is usually plenty.

The population limit is much more obvious when moving people around than when recruiting with a radio beacon, since you have direct control and can see immediately when a settlement won't take any more people.
I believe that recruitment radio beacon cancels the rule of charisma and fills full, charisma is valid without. I think quantities of food and water, shops and more are also at stake.
Nothing I've seen suggests that, the most specific example being my Sanctuary-only game, where it stuck at exactly the Charisma + 10 level as I was able to get applicable items, and I paid very close attention to the recruitment since I was carefully selecting my settlers (with a great deal of save-scumming that led to seeing the process far more than just 25 times with 15 Charisma).
Última edición por DouglasGrave; 14 ABR 2022 a las 2:48
Bored Peon 14 ABR 2022 a las 2:50 
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
My attitude towards you will NEVER change because you are too argumentative and arrogant to stop arguing. Instead I always have to be the one bullied out of topic by your harassment just to shut you the hell up.
Oh, I do love a discussion, but the fact we occasionally cross paths is no kind of harassment.
It is harassment you arrogant piece of trash. Nobody wants to "discuss" anything with you and you have been told this REPEATEDLY. Yet you are just too damn stupid to figure that out.

As for occasionally, what a load of brahminshit it is at last 5-6 times a month for days at a time until I get so @#$%ing disgusted with your stupidity, double standards, and arrogance I just unsubscribe.

Every @#$%ing time you quote something, then use some minute nearly irrelevant detail loophole that does not meet your standards to create an argument because you are addicted to arguing with people. Yet you repeatedly fail to apply those same standards of proof to yourself by saying ♥♥♥♥ like "You/it did not specifically exclude that."

Then a day or two into the argument you try claiming you never said what you did. Everything you said can be quoted and you forget that EVERY @#$%ing time.

Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
  • You were the one who assumed chems; I originally suggested buffs from worn items and just as a possible cause since it's easy to put on an item and forget about it for a while.
You never once said WORN items, you said BOOSTS. Anything to create the lie to keep from admitting you were wrong. Yet if I do bring it up that only makes it so you argue whether the term boosts includes buffs or not. Simply because your are an arrogant argumentative troll that will do anything to avoid admitting you were wrong.

On top of that, you are such a pathetic horrible liar, you try to claim you never said chems. Yet you just spent two @#$%ing days arguing that the timer on chem buffs affect population limits. How @#$%ing stupid are you that you forgot you jsut argued for two days on the subject.

It is arrogant to think my attitude towards you will ever change for the better. You sure as @#$% are not going to improve that attitude by arguing for days on end you @#$%ing arrogant idiot.
Última edición por Bored Peon; 14 ABR 2022 a las 2:51
DouglasGrave 14 ABR 2022 a las 3:25 
Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
It is harassment you arrogant piece of trash. Nobody wants to "discuss" anything with you and you have been told this REPEATEDLY.
You willingly participate in post after post and even address me directly when I don't address you.

You've got the block/ignore option if you can't even stand seeing unrelated posts near yours without feeling magically compelled to respond.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
As for occasionally, what a load of brahminshit it is at last 5-6 times a month for days at a time until I get so @#$%ing disgusted with your stupidity, double standards, and arrogance I just unsubscribe.
It's your own warped interpretation of my actions you're getting frustrated over, and a butting heads a few times a month is hardly unusual for a couple of long-term members on the same forum.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
Every @#$%ing time you quote something, then use some minute nearly irrelevant detail loophole that does not meet your standards to create an argument because you are addicted to arguing with people. Yet you repeatedly fail to apply those same standards of proof to yourself by saying ♥♥♥♥ like "You/it did not specifically exclude that."
As I've said before, I'm quite detail-oriented, and I am always willing and able to explain what is relevant and how.

My standards for it are quite consistent, even if you seem inexplicably unable to understand what is important and why. It's quite difficult to address with someone who has priorities like treating the wiki as more important than the original game.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
Then a day or two into the argument you try claiming you never said what you did. Everything you said can be quoted and you forget that EVERY @#$%ing time.
When you quote it almost inevitably proves exactly what I was saying, to which you apply some bizarre interpretation of what you think it meant, often directly contrary to what the words involved say.

It's like you're blind to the actual words, and see only your opinion of them.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
You never once said WORN items, you said BOOSTS. Anything to create the lie to keep from admitting you were wrong. Yet if I do bring it up that only makes it so you argue whether the term boosts includes buffs or not.
As you can see in post #15 my reference is initially to happening to "have on" some extra items that boost Charisma. I didn't use the specific word "worn", but "have on" is synonymous, and it's certainly not how you refer to taking chems.

I don't object on any boost/buff basis; those terms are also synonymous here.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
On top of that, you are such a pathetic horrible liar, you try to claim you never said chems. Yet you just spent two @#$%ing days arguing that the timer on chem buffs affect population limits.
I said I never originally spoke about them, which is because I was originally talking about the more likely boost from items someone might have on.

Once you used chems as an example boost in your reply (after also mentioning them in your post about time having nothing to do with population limits), I went with that example since it was similarly useful for talking about how timing was required for affecting population limits.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
It is arrogant to think my attitude towards you will ever change for the better. You sure as @#$% are not going to improve that attitude by arguing for days on end you @#$%ing arrogant idiot.
Tell me, if you're wrong about a matter like this one, what do you think is the way to convince you of it?

While you could be easily buttered up by someone playing the role of a fawning sycophant who just agreed with you on everything, it wouldn't really change anything if you just continue to be insulting the moment another disagreement arises.
Última edición por DouglasGrave; 14 ABR 2022 a las 3:29
Zes 14 ABR 2022 a las 3:30 
It's no fun to fight online,
take it to the real life..

fight.. fight.. fight!! ;)
DouglasGrave 14 ABR 2022 a las 3:34 
Publicado originalmente por Zes:
It's no fun to fight online,
take it to the real life..

fight.. fight.. fight!! ;)
But then why would we need games like Fallout 4?
Zes 14 ABR 2022 a las 3:42 
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
Publicado originalmente por Zes:
It's no fun to fight online,
take it to the real life..

fight.. fight.. fight!! ;)
But then why would we need games like Fallout 4?

ah.. I was talking about you two.. and your arguments. I'm sure you both will feel better after some punches ;)
DouglasGrave 14 ABR 2022 a las 3:59 
Publicado originalmente por Zes:
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
But then why would we need games like Fallout 4?
ah.. I was talking about you two.. and your arguments. I'm sure you both will feel better after some punches ;)
Yeah, I got the meaning. :steammocking:
Bored Peon 14 ABR 2022 a las 6:22 
Publicado originalmente por Zes:
ah.. I was talking about you two.. and your arguments. I'm sure you both will feel better after some punches ;)
No comment because Steam Support may actually enforce comments about violence.

Notice when I said his arguments are harassing behavior and too frequent he argued to deny it. Yet you just said it and he did not even say a word about it. Talk about double standard douchebaggery.

That arrogant troll will literally take any comment I make and try to think up some dumb ass way he can twist what was said into an argument. I explain that is NOT what I meant, he stills argues like the arrogant troll he is.

Take this argument in this topic as a prime example:
Splattergutz made a comment that the time you own a settlement increases population limit. I replied time has nothing to do with the population limits.

Along comes the arrogant troll to argue there is an exception that time does matter.

The code for population limits does not care about time. It only cares if the buff is present or not. Yet that arrogant troll creates an argument over that.

Then the arrogant argumentative troll tries to claim he never said chems, he said worn items.
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
  • You were the one who assumed chems; I originally suggested buffs from worn items and just as a possible cause since it's easy to put on an item and forget about it for a while.
Which is a lie because worn items do not have a buff duration, so time is irrelevant.

Watch him come up with another brahminshit word salad trying to argue his way out rather than just admitting he was wrong.
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
I said I never originally spoke about them, which is because I was originally talking about the more likely boost from items someone might have on.
Pretty @#$%ing sad when you try to lie after arguing about buff time duration for two @#$%ing days.

He will lie and twist anything he can to avoid admitting to being wrong. Yet even after being told he does this repeatedly he still can not grasp the concept why nobody wants to put up with his brahminshit discussion.

You can even point out how his arguing derails a topic and drives everyone away. He does not care. That is one hell of an amazing personality you can enter a topic and drive everyone else away from because they no longer want to listen to your brahminshit word salads.

When you confront the arrogant troll about ending the arguing, he NEVER stops. It is always the same old brahminshit how I should have to ignore him or stop replying. Which is exactly the attitude a bully harassing other people says.

See look at this example:
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
While you could be easily buttered up by someone playing the role of a fawning sycophant who just agreed with you on everything, it wouldn't really change anything if you just continue to be insulting the moment another disagreement arises.
Notice the arrogant argumentative troll immediately goes straight o disagreeing and contradicting. He wants the argument to happen. The thought of simply asking a question instead never even occurs to him at all.
DouglasGrave 14 ABR 2022 a las 7:10 
Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
Notice when I said his arguments are harassing behavior and too frequent he argued to deny it. Yet you just said it and he did not even say a word about it. Talk about double standard douchebaggery.
I'm well aware of how you use the term "argument" as a way to assign blame and can easily recognize the manner in which you use it, as opposed to what Zes is saying. I still prefer and aim for "discussion" because it encourages a more positive attitude towards it.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
Splattergutz made a comment that the time you own a settlement increases population limit. I replied time has nothing to do with the population limits.

Along comes the arrogant troll to argue there is an exception that time does matter.
I replied to Splattergutz before you did and made a point specifically about using buffs at the right time. Specifically, that a possible cause for an unexpectedly high population limit would have been having on a Charisma buff item at the time.

Naturally when someone followed my post by saying time had nothing to do with population limits, I pointed out the exact exception to that I'd just mentioned since it was directly related to what I'd been saying.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
Which is a lie because worn items do not have a buff duration, so time is irrelevant.
You have to be wearing them at the right time, which is particularly for Charisma items as it's common to only put them on for the limited bit of time in which you need them.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
You can even point out how his arguing derails a topic and drives everyone away. He does not care. That is one hell of an amazing personality you can enter a topic and drive everyone else away from because they no longer want to listen to your brahminshit word salads.
I can only take responsibility for my half of a discussion, not yours, and I give priority to the OP and original topic if they're continuing. I don't really get the "word salad" part you're going with.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
When you confront the arrogant troll about ending the arguing, he NEVER stops. It is always the same old brahminshit how I should have to ignore him or stop replying. Which is exactly the attitude a bully harassing other people says.
A bully would also shout at people and try to use insults and aggression to get their way. Or might try to constantly paint someone as an "arrogant troll" and place entire responsibility for a mutual exchange on them. Which of us fits that mould better?

I have a lot of stamina for discussion, but I do it all in individual replies. I post. You post. I post. You post. If you're not posting something to which I would form a reply anyway, I don't try to provoke a response from you.

You don't get to decide that someone else can't respond just because you don't like what they're saying. Only bullies expect that.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
See look at this example:
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
While you could be easily buttered up by someone playing the role of a fawning sycophant who just agreed with you on everything, it wouldn't really change anything if you just continue to be insulting the moment another disagreement arises.
Notice the arrogant argumentative troll immediately goes straight o disagreeing and contradicting. He wants the argument to happen. The thought of simply asking a question instead never even occurs to him at all.
I told you why I wouldn't take the approach I described, because it would lack integrity even if it might temporarily pacify the situation; it would be a poor patch, and ultimately futile. I did also ask you the question, below, you just ignored it:
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
Tell me, if you're wrong about a matter like this one, what do you think is the way to convince you of it?
If you're trying to avoid having an argument, why would you not answer if I reach out to you like this?

Why would you try to pretend I didn't ask how you thought a disagreement like this should be approached?
Última edición por DouglasGrave; 14 ABR 2022 a las 7:17
Bored Peon 14 ABR 2022 a las 8:04 
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
Naturally when someone followed my post by saying time had nothing to do with population limits, I pointed out the exact exception to that I'd just mentioned since it was directly related to what I'd been saying.

Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
I'm quite detail-oriented,
Yet you missed the detail you were being ignored. I did not quote you. You made the assumption I actually bothered to read your brahminshit word salad.

Yet you ran right out quoted me and claimed I was wrong. That is NOT a discussion. That is an argument and you should know that after years of your incessant arguing. Trying to deny it would cause an argument when you did it is nothing but a lie.

Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
Tell me, if you're wrong about a matter like this one, what do you think is the way to convince you of it?
If you're trying to avoid having an argument, why would you not answer if I reach out to you like this?
Years of harassment and you were actually stupid enough to think I would believe that brahminshit. How many times have I said I do not want to argue, and how many times did you say the same bullying things:
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
You don't get to decide that someone else can't respond just because you don't like what they're saying.
Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:
You willingly participate in post after post and even address me directly when I don't address you.
So yeah, trying this whole "reaching out thing"is nothing but a lie. If you were ever willing to reach out you would have stopped harassing me a long time ago.

You are so damn arrogant you do not even understand that when someone posts something, then you quote and contradict it undermines a person's credibility. Which forces someone to have to defend themselves. Then you turn around and turn that defense post into an argument. Then the argument continues endlessly until they have to unsubscribe and stop responding to you. Every @#$%ing time. This is because you are nothing but an arrogant argumentative bully that enjoys harassing people into arguments.
Bored Peon 14 ABR 2022 a las 17:14 
Publicado originalmente por dum:
11+ charisma gives you a 100% chance to pass any speech check
source[fallout.fandom.com]
Which is what the OP was trying to avoid. Try actually reading the topic.
DouglasGrave 14 ABR 2022 a las 21:44 
Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
Years of harassment and you were actually stupid enough to think I would believe that brahminshit.
As I've already noted, you're still perfectly willing to address me even when I don't address you. How do you explain that in this imaginary scenario?

Consider for a moment that I'm being honest about what I say, and that I'm not going out of my way to harass you, just disagreeing here and there. You've been insulting me for years over nothing. How should I feel about that?

For example, I note a minor exception I'm already talking about (because I'm really detail oriented), and instead of a reasonable person's "yeah, that's a corner case" or something like it, I get pages of insults and aggression, no matter how calmly and patiently I explain my position on the matter and my reasoning.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
You are so damn arrogant you do not even understand that when someone posts something, then you quote and contradict it undermines a person's credibility.
How is that not what you're also doing by contradicting me in turn? That's going to happen any time people disagree, and there will be contradiction even if they don't use the forum's quote function.

Personally, I hold what I say to be credible if there's appropriate evidence and sources to back it, and if it checks out for other people. Being angry and defensive about it does nothing for someone's credibility.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
Which forces someone to have to defend themselves. Then you turn around and turn that defense post into an argument.
It's not an attack. If you're worried about being credible just discuss it like a reasonable person. I've never begun such an exchange by trying to degrade or insult the person I'm talking with as you do. My goal is to convince, not destroy.

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:
Then the argument continues endlessly until they have to unsubscribe and stop responding to you. Every @#$%ing time. This is because you are nothing but an arrogant argumentative bully that enjoys harassing people into arguments.
By your reasoning, you're harassing me as an arrogant bully, by continually contradicting me and forcing me to defend my credibility, while also being incredibly insulting about it, even if I've not once insulted you.

Because I am genuine about it trying to resolve disagreements more peacefully, I'll ask the question again: If you're wrong about a matter like this one, what do you think is the right way to convince you of it?
DouglasGrave 14 ABR 2022 a las 21:46 
Publicado originalmente por dum:
11+ charisma gives you a 100% chance to pass any speech check
source[fallout.fandom.com]
Yes, but what the OP wanted is to still have a chance to fail those high speech checks, while keeping the other effects of a high Charisma. Hence them asking for a mod.
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