why can't we quicksave with survival on

[Goose]

^
title,
you can do it in skyrim.

[Telas]

引用自 wtiger27：

That is pure speculation on your part on how Ballistic Weave was suppose to be used. If the developers meant for it to only be put on some armor pcs such as suits and outfits which could not be worn with other armor pcs, such as shoulder, chest pcs , legs, etc. That would be easy to implement.

Information from a ex Fallout 4/76 programmer actually who is now a Streamer with his own discord community and all. The fact that you can casually craft a weapon in Skyrim able to dish 15000 damage doesn't make it intended part of the game but you can still do it if you want. Easy fix but still there.

[Dootslayer]

引用自 Zes：

There is a tricky but a dangerous way to save your game in survival. Whenever you want..

Delete all saves and game allows you save once, by the main menu..

But if you CTD or Power cut right after you deleted. RIP ;)

Or just use mods, its a bethesda game.

[Noah Huls]

引用自 Goose：

^
title,
you can do it in skyrim.

well because it takes the whole challanging part away if you are always able to save

[Goose]

引用自 Noah Huls：

引用自 Goose：

^
title,
you can do it in skyrim.

well because it takes the whole challanging part away if you are always able to save

yeah but since CTDs are so common
(or in my case, getting stuck in areas that you basically cannot exit out of without fast travel)
i'd think having some way to save to a time before that point is pretty needed.
maybe make it a system where it's on a cooldown, maybe one save per day if you really want the challenge.

[Noah Huls]

引用自 Goose：

引用自 Noah Huls：

well because it takes the whole challanging part away if you are always able to save

yeah but since CTDs are so common
(or in my case, getting stuck in areas that you basically cannot exit out of without fast travel)
i'd think having some way to save to a time before that point is pretty needed.
maybe make it a system where it's on a cooldown, maybe one save per day if you really want the challenge.

i have a mod to enable console commands i sometimes after something very hard or very lucky i drop a save by typing "savegame jic" (jic = just in case) and only load it if i get a CTD

and you can just clip if you are stuck

aside from that i only use bed saves

[wtiger27]

引用自 Telas：

引用自 wtiger27：

That is pure speculation on your part on how Ballistic Weave was suppose to be used. If the developers meant for it to only be put on some armor pcs such as suits and outfits which could not be worn with other armor pcs, such as shoulder, chest pcs , legs, etc. That would be easy to implement.

Information from a ex Fallout 4/76 programmer actually who is now a Streamer with his own discord community and all. The fact that you can casually craft a weapon in Skyrim able to dish 15000 damage doesn't make it intended part of the game but you can still do it if you want. Easy fix but still there.

Exploits do exist in Skyrim and Fallout 4 also. But Ballistic Weave has no easily seen exploit in it's design that I am aware of.

Using the console however or a external mod, can alter many things in the game's intended design. So I am not saying there are no ways to get around the design features.

And someone claiming to be such and such, does not prove they are.

[wtiger27]

引用自 Noah Huls：

引用自 Goose：

yeah but since CTDs are so common
(or in my case, getting stuck in areas that you basically cannot exit out of without fast travel)
i'd think having some way to save to a time before that point is pretty needed.
maybe make it a system where it's on a cooldown, maybe one save per day if you really want the challenge.

i have a mod to enable console commands i sometimes after something very hard or very lucky i drop a save by typing "savegame jic" (jic = just in case) and only load it if i get a CTD

and you can just clip if you are stuck

aside from that i only use bed saves

There is a console command to go back to Survival after reverting back to a level below it. You do not need a mod.

[Icedfate]

引用自 wtiger27：

引用自 Icedfate：

even on very hard, once you unlock ballistics weave and put the level 5 on clothing and a hat, nothing can barely scratch you ever again.

Not true. It is also going to depend on what you are fighting , char's level and what kind of weapons you have. Ballistic Weave by itself, does not make your char OP on Very Hard.

i'm playing on very hard.
my character is level 78 has 259 ballistic, 230 energy resistance.

i am using mods that allow me to wear armor over all clothing and to put ballistic weave on any clothing, but i deliberately restricted myself to not letting my defense go over 300, since 300 is easily attainable in vanilla. and this is not with some recursive improvement exploit like drinking a potion to improve crafting ability so i can craft a stronger potion to improve my ability more,so i can craft an even stronger potion to improve ability more to creaft an even stronger potion, it's just in vanilla, findiing a certain clothing and a certain hat and putting armor over it

the mods i use are mostly cosmetic, just different outfits for fun and making my armor invisible so i can see the outfits and put the weave in them because if you can do the weave on vanilla clothes you ought to be able to put it on a clothing from the nexus

i'm choosing to run with 250'ish defense for more challenging gameplay and even then, the only things that ever even take me down halfway is certain laser turrets that can bypass the defense for some reason, or a mini nuke, which seems random whether or not it can kill me or not.

like that one guy in the south boston area nead the super duper mart that's up on the walkway with a mininuke barely took 10% off me with his mininuke, but the named gunner in the quincy ruins 1 shotted me with his mini nuke, i have 650 hp and 250 defense and he killed me in 1 hit, so i dunno.


in the last 100 hours, the only things i died to was that gunner with the mini nuke and a laser turret in the boston mayoral shelter

having such high defense does sort of make the game feel like "cheating" but you can easily do it in vanilla, so i don't think it's "cheating"(?)

if they never intended for ballistic weave on hats and they never intended it under armor, then what level of defense power IS the game balanced around?
where should one's defense power be at for a "proper, balanced challenge"?

[Bored Peon]

引用自 wtiger27：

引用自 Noah Huls：

i have a mod to enable console commands i sometimes after something very hard or very lucky i drop a save by typing "savegame jic" (jic = just in case) and only load it if i get a CTD

and you can just clip if you are stuck

aside from that i only use bed saves

There is a console command to go back to Survival after reverting back to a level below it. You do not need a mod.

It is a hundred times faster just using the mod than have to switch difficulties repeatedly.

Everything past using the console in survival two or three times is saved time from loading screens swapping difficulties.

引用自 Icedfate：

Things i died to was that gunner with the mini nuke and a laser turret in the boston mayoral shelter

Yet another reason I like Fallout 76 because there is no ballistic weave clothing. Instead they went with clothing being outfits that change appearance only.

Which if ya think about it, the fact Bethesda abandoned the ballistic weave clothing system shows they knew it was broken and unbalanced. Funny ironic how making a game multiplayer can weed out garbage game mechanics like that.

[Icedfate]

meanwhile, in survival mode, you pretty much have to stack ballistic weave under armor, just to not get killed instantly by anything that farts in your general direction.

the only viable build i could find for survival was a stealth sneak attack build to kill everything before it sees me. . .and sneaking in bethesda games always felt broken to me.
like the sneaking either doesn't work at all or it works too well. and it doesn't seem to scale linearly, like you are improving it and still being detected and then suddenly you go from alerting an entire group of enemies after taking only 1 step, to walking right up to a guy and he doesn't even see you crouched right in front of him as he walkes right by completely unaware of you

[Xenon The Noble]

引用自 Bored Peon：

Why would you ever want to quick save? Of course this probably means you aint familiar with an engine issue going way back.

Quicksaves and autosaves are like playing a reverse lottery. Neither type of save pauses the game so there is no pause in the running scripts. Which means it is possible when you load a quicksave or an autosave you are getting a corrupt script. The chances of "winning" this lottery is increased the higher your FPS is, if you are one of those insisting on running over 60 fps.

If you want a way to save in survival then quit being lazy and cowardly and get the Survival Options and then set it to save on wait. Then when you want to save find a wait spot and save,

I want to quick save because sometimes the 4 descriptions of the choices of what SS is about to do are not what I think they are.
Humm... That's confusing. I guess I want to quick save because I'm stupid, or because I'm going to be stupid on purpose and want to see what happens.
Say I want to, just for the fun of it, Shoot Mayor Dummy as he's giving his speech after I get the quest to fetch paint for the wall. Quicksave, blammo-blammo. Oh look, Mayor Dummy is essential, so that doesn't work (you can't shoot him and hold up his synth component) and now SS has to fight Diamond city to get out.

[Noah Huls]

引用自 Bored Peon：

引用自 wtiger27：

There is a console command to go back to Survival after reverting back to a level below it. You do not need a mod.

It is a hundred times faster just using the mod than have to switch difficulties repeatedly.

Everything past using the console in survival two or three times is saved time from loading screens swapping difficulties.

引用自 Icedfate：

Things i died to was that gunner with the mini nuke and a laser turret in the boston mayoral shelter

Yet another reason I like Fallout 76 because there is no ballistic weave clothing. Instead they went with clothing being outfits that change appearance only.

Which if ya think about it, the fact Bethesda abandoned the ballistic weave clothing system shows they knew it was broken and unbalanced. Funny ironic how making a game multiplayer can weed out garbage game mechanics like that.

yeah mod is way easyer

and i dont think ballistic weave was a ♥♥♥♥ mechanic i would say it was just very inconsistent which made specific outfits way better than others

[Wasteland Project]

I restarted and I am currently playing last game at the "very hard" mode, I opened a thread a few months ago to underline the imbalance of the survival mode, many times I had to repeat several hours of gameplay, I think the right recipe is this:

survival mode
+
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/23197?msclkid=c37ca9d8d15111ecaf9196e23e638ad7

then this, a definitive solution:
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14104

[Telas]

引用自 Wasteland Project：

I restarted and I am currently playing last game at the "very hard" mode, I opened a thread a few months ago to underline the imbalance of the survival mode, many times I had to repeat several hours of gameplay, I think the right recipe is this:

survival mode
+
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/23197?msclkid=c37ca9d8d15111ecaf9196e23e638ad7

then this, a definitive solution:
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14104

Abandoned save mods from 2016? I can already see the inevitable save corruption

[Wasteland Project]

引用自 Telas：

引用自 Wasteland Project：

I restarted and I am currently playing last game at the "very hard" mode, I opened a thread a few months ago to underline the imbalance of the survival mode, many times I had to repeat several hours of gameplay, I think the right recipe is this:

survival mode
+
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/23197?msclkid=c37ca9d8d15111ecaf9196e23e638ad7

then this, a definitive solution:
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14104

Abandoned save mods from 2016? I can already see the inevitable save corruption

Where did I write it?
The first mod is only a reactivation of the classic save (before) the survival mode, by modifying the .ini file.
The second, if set right is the definitive solution to the save, it can be forgotten, I've been using it for about a year, never problems.
These are not mods that corrupt the saves, never had problems like that, I'm noticing only a very slight slowdown during the autosave, but you can set the frequency.