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Nightkiller300 2018 年 9 月 30 日 上午 11:39
Bethesda seems to be slowly turning into Ubisoft
Since Fallout 76 literally won't be on Steam for no reason what so ever, i'm left to believe that in future, there will be new releases but will require an extra launcher to be in the background, like Ubisoft, anybody else feel the same?
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=EGC= kansasterry 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 9:45 
引用自 AbsynthMinded
引用自 =EGC= kansasterry
said a bunch of stuff.

Whatever the price is at a given location is a result of conditions and negotiations bewteen the producer/published and that outlet.

In the USA if the retail price is 59.99$ at a Walmart, it's 59.99$ on Steam. The cut margin may be different but the cost to consumers is the same. If the price varies higher or lower it's based on the negotiation between the producer/published and the outlet selling the units. Usually controled by the retailer. So if its priced hgiher, research and shop wiser. That is not the producer/publisher's fault.

When Windows 98 stopped being supported, because of it being obsolete and a security risk world wide, is when gaming platforms got involved with forcing people to update. It had nothing to do with those game platforms trying to make any money off it. When that occured 98 had been unsupported for many years by MicroSoft. The same kind of thing is happening with XP and it will happen with Windows 10, and so on. Perhapse better implemented with experience, but its going to happen.

Complaining about that like it was some copoorate conspiracy is not helping you make any kind of reasonable point.

I never said anything about it being a conspiracy nor did I complain about it I simply stated that

1) it caused those WHO COULD NOT AFFORD xp a long delay in being able to play the same windows 98 games they already had been playing without even telling them that was going to happen or allowing them the chance to go in offline mode until they could afford xp.

2) I also simply pointed out the same mechanic can be used to CENSOR games if they decide to follow other companies that think politics or being PC is more important than their customers.

3) It is a known fact that fees for using certain payment methods are charged to a customer the store does not eat the fee just because the customer wanted to use that method to pay.

The incident was simply used to point out the flaw in relying in only one source for ones games as lately certain people complain because everyone is not forced to use just steam as their only game source.

As for the pricing that may be how it is supposed to work however store fronts have sold games for $30 dollars US while STEAM was still wanting $45 to $60 for it so it is not set in stone that the price will be the same.

As you stated the price will depend on what the game company and store negotiate. The fact is that negotiation rarely ever includes the game company getting less from the sale at one store just for the convience of others.
nephilimnexus 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 9:49 
76 will be stillborn anyway, thus this whole discussion is irrelevant.

Steam today is basically:

1) Early Access scams that will never get finished.
2) Asset-flip shovelware that exist just for trading card exploitation.
3) 8 bit side scrollers and/or farming sims for the kiddies.
4) JRPGs that are functoinally indistinguishable from each other.
5) Uninspired, by-the-numbers Battle Royal game of the minute.
6) Uninspired, by-the-numbers zombie game number eighteen billion.
7) Uninpsired, by-the-numbers small-group survival/crafting.
8) Uninspired, by-the-numbers J-porn.
9) Uninspired, by-the-numbers artsy indie games made by hipsters.
10) Uninspired, by-the-numbers pay-to-win Korean-made MMOs that functoinally indistinguishable from each other.

Bethesada is just trying to cash in on the "small group crafting/survival" market that is already over-saturated far beyond sustainability. There is a new one every week and they're all follow the same pattern: Big initial sales but within two months, tops, they're shutting down servers due to lack of players. It doesn't even matter if the game is good or not. There's just too many out there and not enough collective free time amongst the gamer population of the planet to play them all, and they'll be doing something that they've never tried before while competing with other companies that have already been doing this sort of thing for several years.

And let's face it, Bethesda games are really just platforms for modders. Take away their modding community and they're basically... nothing. So we've got a bad idea (trying to break into an already flooded market demographic with no previous experience) followed by the worst idea possible (no modding support). Like I said, it will sell good, because ohmygawdhype, but it will be dead before New Years. Mark my words.
Aggrobiscuit 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 10:08 
引用自 nephilimnexus
Like I said, it will sell good, because ohmygawdhype, but it will be dead before New Years. Mark my words.

Just to add to the list of reasons 76 will fail. It's a game that none of us wanted. And the kids that do want it, don't count. Because those aren't retained sales. Every Fallout game has a gaggle of 14 year olds that think Fallout online will be the best thing ever. Then they grow into adults and forget that stupid idea, but along come more 14 year olds. So Bethesda thinks "This is stuff people want, we must give it."

But those 14 year olds are now playing Fortnite. The ones that aren't 14 anymore are playing Pubg. There's no enduring interest with the genre or brand, there is only the current fad or FOTM game for these people, and Beth is making a game for them.

Remember how the internet reacted when Fallout 76 was announced? it went "Oh" and then "What?" and then "NO" and then "Maybe it won't suck too bad." That's not a good starting point.

最后由 Aggrobiscuit 编辑于; 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 10:16
gzilladude 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 10:20 
引用自 Ganger
fallout 76 is going to be massive

Not trolling, but genuinely interested. What's your source for that. Got some preorder numbers to share? Insider information?
I think he meant by map size and all

I just don't know why yall have to be so negaitive nancy over it all
Mefit 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 11:06 
People attacking Bethesda over them trying to cut out he middle man “Steam” are the Same people who attack Bethesda regardless .

This change had no barring on the hate the spew regardless .
Ganger 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 11:13 
引用自 Ganger
fallout 76 is going to be massive

Not trolling, but genuinely interested. What's your source for that. Got some preorder numbers to share? Insider information?

Put it this way, its not going to be a flop.. Most of the fallout 4 people are going buy fallout 76.
Even the haters that say they never buying with end up buying, I seen it all before with too many games in the past and its always the same story.

And like someone else stated, its going to be massive in size as well :)
JocularJosh 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 11:15 
引用自 nephilimnexus
And let's face it, Bethesda games are really just platforms for modders.
So this is why the vast majority of people playing bethesda game never even touched mods...interesting.
Ganger 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 11:16 
引用自 Espek
As Flippy and other respected members of FO4 community told us, Fallout 76 is another multiplayer clone of Counter strike

I had to comment on this... Clearly these people have never played counter strike. How on earth is fallout 76 a clone of CS, come on guys. Fallout 76 be more of a clone of lets say 'The forest' or DayZ or some other openworld games like that.
JocularJosh 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 11:16 
It's a game that none of us wanted.
Speak for yourself, A LOT of people demanded an online version of Fallout for years.
Don't call those people kids just because you don't like it, it makes you look like a kid.
Mefit 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 11:23 
引用自 JocularJosh
It's a game that none of us wanted.
Speak for yourself, A LOT of people demanded an online version of Fallout for years.
Don't call those people kids just because you don't like it, it makes you look like a kid.
He probably calls himself a hardcore fallout fan but doesn’t realize that Black Isle came up with a MMO fallout before interplay’s failed attempt and this Fallout Multiplayer Bethesda is giving us .

There is literally mods to make Fallout 3 , 4 Multiplayer and I think NV too but could be wrong .
But as Billy said “None Of Us wants”

I am 45 and been playing fallout since 1 , the only Fallouts I don’t like are BOS and Shelter .
I won’t love 76 , can’t say for sure but as of now that’s what I am saying but I have prebought it and will give it a chance
firestorm 2018 年 10 月 1 日 上午 11:44 
引用自 =EGC= kansasterry
The incident was simply used to point out the flaw in relying in only one source for ones games as lately certain people complain because everyone is not forced to use just steam as their only game source.

Use the Intel/AMD thing, most everyone gets onboard with that debate.

Without even realizing it was actually IBM,
Who forced Intel to have a second supplier of Intels chips which just happened to be AMD..

I know better though, many will never be able to connect those dots because thats the real world!
MaximumEffort 2018 年 10 月 1 日 下午 12:24 
引用自 Espek
Fallout Online =

- No NPC's

- Gambling loot crate skill system

- Rent a server to use mods

- Off the leash online bullying and hacking/cheat programs

But sheep-blindlove-fan-mentality players deny to see truth, they enjoy being deceived/violated/rap_ed - discasting mentality they have and ruin for decent players like us!!! Bethesdas owners, stop ruining this beautifull fallout universe by making it to another multiplayer transactions money machine to make more more money. Are you trying to earn all money in the world? Where greed ends? Don't make us beloved and true fans of fallout universe to cry over the viaolated (multiplayered) body of once so beautifull single player with lore FALLOUT universe

I've not seen this much BS since F4 'lore' thread.
Mefit 2018 年 10 月 1 日 下午 12:45 
引用自 sjrekis
引用自 Espek
Fallout Online =

- No NPC's

- Gambling loot crate skill system

- Rent a server to use mods

- Off the leash online bullying and hacking/cheat programs

But sheep-blindlove-fan-mentality players deny to see truth, they enjoy being deceived/violated/rap_ed - discasting mentality they have and ruin for decent players like us!!! Bethesdas owners, stop ruining this beautifull fallout universe by making it to another multiplayer transactions money machine to make more more money. Are you trying to earn all money in the world? Where greed ends? Don't make us beloved and true fans of fallout universe to cry over the viaolated (multiplayered) body of once so beautifull single player with lore FALLOUT universe

I've not seen this much BS since F4 'lore' thread.

Agreed and worse is he doesn’t realize that Fallout has Multiplayers planned before Bethesda lol .
So much for Beloved and True Fan
Yhwach 2018 年 10 月 1 日 下午 12:46 
引用自 Espek
Fallout Online =

- No NPC's

- Gambling loot crate skill system

- Rent a server to use mods

- Off the leash online bullying and hacking/cheat programs

- There are in fact, NPC's in the game just no "human" ones, as enemies still exist.
Humans are all players.

- The skill system is based on "card packs" that you receive for free for every level 1 - 10, and after that, every other level, letting you re-arange cards around.
You cannot, under any circumstance, buy any cards; also you get some some trivia and a pack of bubblegum every time.

- That was never stated.
What "was" stated, was:
"Mods aren't a priority and will be worked on after launch"
and
"Private servers will become available after launch"

- No.
Also, there's an anti-grief system if you actually watched the quakecon interview.
最后由 Yhwach 编辑于; 2018 年 10 月 1 日 下午 12:46
Aggrobiscuit 2018 年 10 月 1 日 下午 1:40 
引用自 Ganger

Not trolling, but genuinely interested. What's your source for that. Got some preorder numbers to share? Insider information?

Put it this way, its not going to be a flop.. Most of the fallout 4 people are going buy fallout 76.
Even the haters that say they never buying with end up buying, I seen it all before with too many games in the past and its always the same story.

And like someone else stated, its going to be massive in size as well :)

I dunno, the wallet votes are getting real. Look at Battlefield 5.
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