Fallout as a prequel to Warhammer 40k

[Geo]

I know this theory has been around for awhile, but I figured I'd give it more publicity.

Note: I am perfectly aware that many aspects of Fallout are based on Warhammer 40k, just with a Zeerust 50s/diesel punk asthetic, but its still a fun theory.

Note 2: To clear something up: no I do not believe this theory is "true" any more than any other "X is a prequel/sequel/in the same universe as Y" franchise crossover theories. I just find this one fun and, as a 40K and Fallout fan, how similar so many aspects of the two are.

Basically the theory is that the Fallout games take place after first of many nuclear wars that ravenge the planet before Golden Age of Technology (which takes place roughly 13,000 years after the setting of Fallout).

Essentially, the various tech and aspects you see in the game are ancient precursors of what will be seen in WH40K. The power armor, laser/plasma weaponry, etc. are all extremely early models of the weapons in WH40K. The Brotherhood of Steel is the predecessors of the Mechanicus (their reverence of technology becoming a total worship of it over the millenia). The continuation of the Institute's research (and subjugation) of AI eventually leading to the "Men of Iron" that tried to overthrow humanity and ended the Golden Age of Technology.

Fallout has hints of warp related intities and locations, such as anything relating to Dunwich, early psykers like Momma Murphy, and some of the more mystical aspects of the Children of Atom (like the hallucination you have when exploring their questline in Far Harbor).

The FEV virus, as part of the theory, was what the Emperor of Mankind based his thunder warrior super soldier process on.

Liberty Prime was a prototype titan, a line of research that would eventually be developed into Castigor (and then later still, the Titan Legions and Imperial Knights).

[Jork]

yas is very plausible theory i believe it

[Laidlaw]

psh!

[Shellbie]

That's just silly.

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by Remi:

I know this theory has been around for awhile, but I figured I'd give it more publicity.

Note: I am perfectly aware that many aspects of Fallout are based on Warhammer 40k, just with a Zeerust 50s/diesel punk asthetic, but its still a fun theory.

1. This 'theory' hasn't been around for a while.

2. Nothing in Fallout is based on 40k. There isn't even much in 40k that is original to start with. Its a pastiche of sci-fi and fantasy ideas from the 80's and earlier.

Originally posted by Remi:

The Brotherhood of Steel is the predecessors of the Mechanicus (their reverence of technology becoming a total worship of it over the millenia).

The Mechanicus arises *post* DAoT from the surviving Martians resorting to ritual and religion to maintain the technical skills needed to survive the decaying terraforming of Mars in the face of a brutal struggle for survival and dominance.

There is, literally, no connection between the BoS and the Mechanicus.

In order to see a link between 40k and Fallout you'd have to know nothing about 40k.

[grakky2]

I like this! It needs to be a movie.........or a series.....on Netflix

[Geo]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Originally posted by Remi:

I know this theory has been around for awhile, but I figured I'd give it more publicity.

Note: I am perfectly aware that many aspects of Fallout are based on Warhammer 40k, just with a Zeerust 50s/diesel punk asthetic, but its still a fun theory.

1. This 'theory' hasn't been around for a while.

2. Nothing in Fallout is based on 40k. There isn't even much in 40k that is original to start with. Its a pastiche of sci-fi and fantasy ideas from the 80's and earlier.

1. Yes it has: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/646376.page

2. because the power armor, xenophobic techno-religious group, green-skinned barbarians (yet still have the mind for some tech), chainsaw bladed melee weapons, laser and plasma weapons, the search for technology and relics of a glorious past lost, and afformentioned Warp like events of Fallout have NOTHING to do with the power armor, xenophobic techno-religious group, green-skinned barbarians (yet still have the mind for some tech), chainsaw bladed melee weapons, laser and plasma weapons, the search for technology and relics of a glorious past lost, and Warp from Warhammer 40k.

Even the power armor in Warhammer 40k and the Fallout games is based on the concept from Starship Troopers.


Also I know alot about the Mechanicus and their history, as they are by far my favorite faction in 40k. Its what first hinted me to the BoS being partially inspired by them (the heavily controlling techno religion trying to find long lost tech. Even wearing monk-like robes). I know they arose after the Golden Age of Technology, but as part of this theory, their swap from pure science to techno-religion could have spurred from a core cult that was either a continuation of the BoS scribes or knew about the BoS and modeled the proto-Cult Mechanicus on the BoS scribes.

[nimrock]

"Basically the theory is that the Fallout games take place after first of many nuclear wars that ravenge the planet before Golden Age of Technology (which takes place roughly 13,000 years after the setting of Fallout)."
Basically you can change "Fallout" for any post-apo game and it will fit for your theory.
Love Fallout and love 40/30k but they are totaly different.

[Geo]

Originally posted by nimrock:

"Basically the theory is that the Fallout games take place after first of many nuclear wars that ravenge the planet before Golden Age of Technology (which takes place roughly 13,000 years after the setting of Fallout)."
Basically you can change "Fallout" for any post-apo game and it will fit for your theory.
Love Fallout and love 40/30k but they are totaly different.

Oh I agree. Different developers, different franchise licensing. I just find the theory fun and highlights just how much of Fallout looks to be inspired by 40k. Its my personal favorite "X is a prequel to 40k" theory just due to such striking similarities.

[Jork]

agreeb the similarities are uncanny =)

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by Remi:

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

1. This 'theory' hasn't been around for a while.

2. Nothing in Fallout is based on 40k. There isn't even much in 40k that is original to start with. Its a pastiche of sci-fi and fantasy ideas from the 80's and earlier.

1. Yes it has: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/646376.page

2. because the power armor, xenophobic techno-religious group, green-skinned barbarians (yet still have the mind for some tech), chainsaw bladed melee weapons, laser and plasma weapons, the search for technology and relics of a glorious past lost, and afformentioned Warp like events of Fallout have NOTHING to do with the power armor, xenophobic techno-religious group, green-skinned barbarians (yet still have the mind for some tech), chainsaw bladed melee weapons, laser and plasma weapons, the search for technology and relics of a glorious past lost, and Warp from Warhammer 40k.

Even the combat armor in the games is highly similar to the armor of the Imperial Guard (I will grant that the Warhammer 40k armor was likewise based on how the armor in Starship Troopers looked.



Also I know alot about the Mechanicus and their history, as they are by far my favorite faction in 40k. Its what first hinted me to the BoS being partially inspired by them (the heavily controlling techno religion trying to find long lost tech. Even wearing monk-like robes). I know they arose after the Golden Age of Technology, but as part of this theory, their swap from pure science to techno-religion could have spurred from a core cult that was either a continuation of the BoS scribes or knew about the BoS and modeled the proto-Cult Mechanicus on the BoS scribes.

OR, you know, any of the bajillion post-apocalyptic stories and movies that feature mutants, schizo-tech, etc.

Power armor predates 40k by like 40 years man. Techno-religious cults are not original to 40k either. Neither is grimdark.

40k Astartes power armor (or any of the other types of power armor in the lore) do not look nor function like Starship Troopers power armor.

There is no 'glorious past lost' in Fallout.

And 'warp-like effects'? That's fething magic and psionics - which is magic by another name. And so is the Warp. Its magic. High fantasy - even high fantasy hidden in a sci-fi dress is not 'from 40k', its far, far older than that.

Fallout comes from Wasteland. Unless you're going to try to shoehorn in 'Wasteland was inspired by 40k' too . . .


As for knowing a lot about the Mechanicum - you would have to explain how the BoS survived *in any form* for 10,000 years of technological supremacy. Because that is what the Dark Age of Technology means. It was the pinnacle of secular human achievement. Mars was colonize and terraformed during that period. Mankind spread throughout the galaxy. It was a time of plenty.

So, why would anything resembling the BoS exist - when the point of the BoS is sequestering tech from barbarians? There were no barbarians at that time.

The birth of Slaanesh ended this period, leading to a fall and stagnation over the next 10,000 years until the God Emperor took power and embarked on the Grand Crusade that, over the *next* 10,000 years, lead to the current state of the Imperium of Man.

[bunny de fluff]

people in warhammer games wear stupid crude oil drum looking armor that is extremely fugly

[Geo]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Originally posted by Remi:

1. Yes it has: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/646376.page

2. because the power armor, xenophobic techno-religious group, green-skinned barbarians (yet still have the mind for some tech), chainsaw bladed melee weapons, laser and plasma weapons, the search for technology and relics of a glorious past lost, and afformentioned Warp like events of Fallout have NOTHING to do with the power armor, xenophobic techno-religious group, green-skinned barbarians (yet still have the mind for some tech), chainsaw bladed melee weapons, laser and plasma weapons, the search for technology and relics of a glorious past lost, and Warp from Warhammer 40k.

Even the combat armor in the games is highly similar to the armor of the Imperial Guard (I will grant that the Warhammer 40k armor was likewise based on how the armor in Starship Troopers looked.



Also I know alot about the Mechanicus and their history, as they are by far my favorite faction in 40k. Its what first hinted me to the BoS being partially inspired by them (the heavily controlling techno religion trying to find long lost tech. Even wearing monk-like robes). I know they arose after the Golden Age of Technology, but as part of this theory, their swap from pure science to techno-religion could have spurred from a core cult that was either a continuation of the BoS scribes or knew about the BoS and modeled the proto-Cult Mechanicus on the BoS scribes.

OR, you know, any of the bajillion post-apocalyptic stories and movies that feature mutants, schizo-tech, etc.

Power armor predates 40k by like 40 years man. Techno-religious cults are not original to 40k either. Neither is grimdark.

40k Astartes power armor (or any of the other types of power armor in the lore) do not look nor function like Starship Troopers power armor.

There is no 'glorious past lost' in Fallout.

And 'warp-like effects'? That's fething magic and psionics - which is magic by another name. And so is the Warp. Its magic. High fantasy - even high fantasy hidden in a sci-fi dress is not 'from 40k', its far, far older than that.

Fallout comes from Wasteland. Unless you're going to try to shoehorn in 'Wasteland was inspired by 40k' too . . .


As for knowing a lot about the Mechanicum - you would have to explain how the BoS survived *in any form* for 10,000 years of technological supremacy. Because that is what the Dark Age of Technology means. It was the pinnacle of secular human achievement. Mars was colonize and terraformed during that period. Mankind spread throughout the galaxy. It was a time of plenty.

So, why would anything resembling the BoS exist - when the point of the BoS is sequestering tech from barbarians? There were no barbarians at that time.

The birth of Slaanesh ended this period, leading to a fall and stagnation over the next 10,000 years until the God Emperor took power and embarked on the Grand Crusade that, over the *next* 10,000 years, lead to the current state of the Imperium of Man.

Yes there is a glorious lost past, its why a group like the NCR tries to emulate it and the BoS search out its lost tech. I know power armor isnt unique to 40k, but general design between it and Fallout are strikingly similar (just Fallout has a more diesel punk asthetic). As for Starship Troopers, I meant that it popularized the concept of power armor that Warhammer 40k took it from.

While individually, nothing in Warhammer 40k or Fallout is really unique, the sum of their parts are. Fallout is pretty much warhammer 40k with a 50s theme instead of a medival one in many aspects.

As for the actual theory. You aren't understanding, the BoS itself did not survive, but records of it did and that is what the Mechanicus based their own Cult Mechanicus on.

[nimrock]

Originally posted by Remi:

Originally posted by nimrock:

"Basically the theory is that the Fallout games take place after first of many nuclear wars that ravenge the planet before Golden Age of Technology (which takes place roughly 13,000 years after the setting of Fallout)."
Basically you can change "Fallout" for any post-apo game and it will fit for your theory.
Love Fallout and love 40/30k but they are totaly different.

Oh I agree. Different developers, different franchise licensing. I just find the theory fun and highlights just how much of Fallout looks to be inspired by 40k. Its my personal favorite "X is a prequel to 40k" theory just due to such striking similarities.

Well... I am in 40k for something like 22 years now and I am kinda purist so for me thoeries are just theories. Like many of those what lost 2 space marines legions were and what exactly happened to them. I mean as long as GW will say something happened it is just dreaming.

But sure, I have nothing against people like speculating or fantasing.

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Originally posted by nimrock:

Originally posted by Remi:

Oh I agree. Different developers, different franchise licensing. I just find the theory fun and highlights just how much of Fallout looks to be inspired by 40k. Its my personal favorite "X is a prequel to 40k" theory just due to such striking similarities.

Well... I am in 40k for something like 22 years now and I am kinda purist so for me thoeries are just theories. Like many of those what lost 2 space marines legions were and what exactly happened to them. I mean as long as GW will say something happened it is just dreaming.

But sure, I have nothing against people like speculating or fantasing.

Same here, theories is theories. I still sometimes myself play Warhammer 40 K playthru with mods.... Still I wont belive seriously those theories.

Ps. I still have orginal 1987 Rogu Trader rule book and orginel space marine miniatures (Those look nowdays little outdated). I was bad place two Years ago and lost my White Draw collection ftom 92 to 300.

[Geo]

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

Originally posted by nimrock:

Well... I am in 40k for something like 22 years now and I am kinda purist so for me thoeries are just theories. Like many of those what lost 2 space marines legions were and what exactly happened to them. I mean as long as GW will say something happened it is just dreaming.

But sure, I have nothing against people like speculating or fantasing.

Same here, theories is theories. I still sometimes myself play Warhammer 40 K playthru with mods.... Still I wont belive seriously those theories.

Ps. I still have orginal 1987 Rogu Trader rule book and orginel space marine miniatures (Those look nowdays little outdated). I was bad place two Years ago and lost my White Draw collection ftom 92 to 300.

Yeah Im not saying I "believe" the theory. Its just fun and shows the influence WH40K has had on gaming (like Gears of War was also heavily inspired by WH40K). I never played the tabletop, I got into the franchise via Dawn of War and I fell in love with the lore (I am a common contributor over on the Lexicanum. Hobby of mine is to find info on specific lasgun patterns, especially confirmed images of specific patterns).