Help with crashes in modded game

[Bilbo]

I just started a new modded playthrough and thought I was pretty thorough in fixing conflicts and issues between mods. I just finished saving Preston and, when walking out of Concord towards Red Rocket on the road, I crash to desktop. I assume it's an issue in the worldspace around Red Rocket or Sanctuary Hills, but I have absolutely no idea which mod would be causing the crash. The Buffout log says Fallout4.exe+1D37543 so I looked at the mod with the 1D index and it has nothing to do with that area whatsoever

The Buffout log is here:

Fallout 4 v1.10.163
Buffout 4 v1.24.5

Unhandled exception "EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION" at 0x7FF77CEB7543 Fallout4.exe+1D37543

SETTINGS:
[Compatibility]
F4EE: false
[Fixes]
ActorIsHostileToActor: true
CellInit: true
EncounterZoneReset: true
GreyMovies: true
MagicEffectApplyEvent: true
MovementPlanner: true
PackageAllocateLocation: true
SafeExit: true
UnalignedLoad: true
UtilityShader: true
[Patches]
Achievements: true
BSMTAManager: true
BSPreCulledObjects: true
BSTextureStreamerLocalHeap: true
HavokMemorySystem: true
INISettingCollection: true
InputSwitch: false
MaxStdIO: -1
MemoryManager: true
MemoryManagerDebug: false
ScaleformAllocator: true
SmallBlockAllocator: true
WorkshopMenu: true
[Warnings]
CreateTexture2D: true
ImageSpaceAdapter: true

SYSTEM SPECS:
OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home v10.0.19041
CPU: GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-9900K CPU @ 3.60GHz
GPU #1: Nvidia TU102 [GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Rev. A]
GPU #2: Microsoft Basic Render Driver
PHYSICAL MEMORY: 13.71 GB/31.93 GB

PROBABLE CALL STACK:
[0] 0x7FF77CEB7543 Fallout4.exe+1D37543 -> 108203+0x23
[1] 0x7FF77CEB613A Fallout4.exe+1D3613A -> 9669+0xDA
[2] 0x7FF77CE36364 Fallout4.exe+1CB6364 -> 1296411+0x164
[3] 0x7FF77CE3A966 Fallout4.exe+1CBA966 -> 989173+0x326
[4] 0x7FF77CC9CFED Fallout4.exe+1B1CFED -> 1079791+0x3D
[5] 0x7FF8FFE47034 KERNEL32.DLL+0017034
[6] 0x7FF900882651 ntdll.dll+0052651

PLUGINS:
[00] Fallout4.esm
[01] DLCRobot.esm
[02] DLCworkshop01.esm
[03] DLCCoast.esm
[04] DLCworkshop02.esm
[05] DLCworkshop03.esm
[06] DLCNukaWorld.esm
[07] Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
[08] WorkshopFramework.esm
[09] HUDFramework.esm
[0A] ArmorKeywords.esm
[0B] XDI.esm
[0C] MutantMenagerie.esm
[0D] SS2.esm
[0E] SS2_XPAC_Chapter2.esm
[0F] TheWilderness.esm
[10] Loads.esm
[11] TacticalReload.esm
[12] NegativeAffinityIsPositiveAffinity.esp
[13] NoAffinityCooldown.esp
[14] Depth of Field Removal.esp
[15] REAPER.esp
[16] RAW INPUT.esp
[17] ToughGirlAttire.esp
[18] 3dscopes.esp
[19] dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
[1A] TrueBlood.esp
[1B] ESPExplorerFO4.esp
[1C] MagnoliaBurlesqueOutfit.esp
[1D] keke-bu Magnolia.2268A_1.0.1.esp
[1E] DX_Predator.esp
[1F] JNFA.esp
[20] Black Widow Suit.esp
[21] ImmersiveAnimationFramework.esp
[22] QBZ191.esp
[23] QBZ191_TR_patch.esp
[24] [ARR] Hunter Beta.esp
[25] Loads of Ammo - Leveled Lists.esp
[26] ImiUzi.esp
[27] RemingtonM11.esp
[28] APC9.esp
[29] LeverActionBCR.esp
[2A] M2Agency.esp
[2B] Commonwealth Climate.esp
[2C] FogOut - Exterior - All DLC.esp
[2D] Scopes.esp
[2E] UltraExteriorLighting.esp
[2F] PiperCaitCurieDialogueOverhaul.esp
[30] RailroadRedone.esp
[31] Hunkered Down - No AtomCatsGarage.esp
[32] LooksMirror.esp
[33] LMBTOverlays.esp
[34] BDO Hair.esp
[35] FF7R.esp
[36] ParagonHairs.esp
[37] The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
[38] CBBE.esp
[39] LooksMenu.esp
[3A] Armorsmith Extended.esp
[3B] ECO.esp
[3C] More Armor Slots - All Dlc.esp
[3D] PIP-Pad.esp
[3E] 4K Face + LMCC.esp
[3F] FirstPersonViewableItemsExpanded.esp
[40] VAFS Redux.esp
[41] VAFS Redux DLC Patch.esp
[42] MutilatedDeadBodies.esp
[43] FogOut - Interiors - All DLC.esp
[44] OutcastsAndRemnants.esp
[45] Clothing Of The Commonwealth.esp
[46] SleekStylesPack.esp
[47] EasyHacking.esp
[48] Faster Terminal Displays (20x).esp
[49] AGNISNikaCola01.esp
[4A] Raider Children.esp
[4B] Depravity.esp
[4C] Zapgun.esp
[4D] AA FusionCityRising.esp
[4E] DCGuard_Overhaul.esp
[4F] ProjectValkyrie.esp
[50] CombinedArmsNV.esp
[51] CombinedArmsEXPack.esp
[52] Mk41GyrojetHMG.esp
[53] RansackedRelay.esp
[54] AER15.esp
[55] M60-M60E3.esp
[56] SigMCX.esp
[57] Better Explosives Redux.esp
[58] SPTFIRE-ALLDLC.esp
[59] USP .45_by_tooun.esp
[5A] Remington700.esp
[5B] Weapons of Fate.esp
[5C] G3A3.esp
[5D] AK400.esp
[5E] DX_Banshee_Recon_Armor.esp
[5F] FnScar.esp
[60] FnScar_LvlListPatch.esp
[61] M203.esp
[62] G3_R91_Expansion.esp
[63] USP .45_by_tooun_TR_patch.esp
[64] AQUILA.esp
[65] Factor.esp
[66] SKKGlobalStashScrapping.esp
[67] HiddenArmor.esp
[68] HiddenArmorAutomatron.esp
[69] HiddenArmorFarHarbor.esp
[6A] HuntingRevolver.esp
[6B] MG42.esp
[6C] M1A.esp
[6D] EPO.esp
[6E] Casio_W59.esp
[6F] Workshop Patch.esp
[70] EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
[71] TacticalReloadDLC.esp
[72] TacticalReloadVanilla.esp
[FE:000] BetterCoastalWaves.esl
[FE:001] Natural Bundle Cave Set.esl
[FE:002] Natural Bundle Masonry Set.esl
[FE:003] Natural Bundle Submarine Set.esl
[FE:004] RedderRocket.esl
[FE:005] Skb_MachinegunsRebirth.esl
[FE:006] HellcatPA.esl
[FE:007] flamerproject4k.esl
[FE:008] Flash Remover.esl
[FE:009] ConfigurableHotkeys.esl
[FE:00A] SavrenXCreaturesPackDlcREDONE.esp
[FE:00B] SavrenXBetterRobotHDLibertyPrime.esp
[FE:00C] SavrenXSynthHD.esp
[FE:00D] SavrenX SuperMutant Armor HD.esp
[FE:00E] SavrenXHdDlcPowerArmor.esp
[FE:00F] SavrenXLandscapeInteriorBuildingDLC.esp
[FE:010] SavrenXHDVanillaLandscape.esp
[FE:011] SavrenX HD Vanilla Clothes Optimized.esp
[FE:012] SavrenX HD Vanilla Armor.esp
[FE:013] SavrenXHDSettlementAndSetDressingDLC.esp
[FE:014] SavrenXHDSettlementAndSetDressing.esp
[FE:015] SavrenXWeaponHD.esp
[FE:016] SavrenXFoodAndFoodware.esp
[FE:017] SavrenXHD1KBuildingAndInterior.esp
[FE:018] SavrenX HD DLC Armor and Clothes.esp
[FE:019] SavrenXPropsAndJunk.esp
[FE:01A] Flicker Fixer.esp
[FE:01B] SunLightAlignment.esp
[FE:01C] WET.esp
[FE:01D] Wetness Shader Fix.esp
[FE:01E] IAF - Far Harbor & Nuka World.esp
[FE:01F] VWR - 44 Magnum.esp
[FE:020] ODW - Winchester Model 1873.esp
[FE:021] Deathclaw Grab Skills.esp
[FE:022] Popping Heads.esp
[FE:023] ImiUziLvlList.esp
[FE:024] RemingtonM11_LvlListPatch.esp
[FE:025] APC9_LeveledListPatch.esp
[FE:026] M2AgencyLvlListPatch.esp
[FE:027] Elzee Recoil Shake.esp
[FE:028] ImmersiveRadiation.esp
[FE:029] TerrainUndersides.esp
[FE:02A] Remington700_TR.esp
[FE:02B] RCW.esp
[FE:02C] G3A3LvlListPatch.esp
[FE:02D] SigMCX_MaterialPack.esp
[FE:02E] SigMCX_LvlListPatch.esp
[FE:02F] M203_LeveledList.esp
[FE:030] ImiUzi_TacticalReloadPatch.esp
[FE:031] RemingtonM11_TacticalReloadPatch.esp
[FE:032] APC9_TacticalReloadPatch.esp
[FE:033] M2AgencyTacticalReloadPatch.esp
[FE:034] CombinedArmsNV_TacticalReloadPatch.esp
[FE:035] AK400_TacticalReloadPatch.esp
[FE:036] AK400_TacticalReload.esp
[FE:037] FnScar_TacticalReload.esp
[FE:038] SigMCX_TacticalReload.esp
[FE:039] M1A_TacticalReloadPatch.esp

[Wingress]

Does the crash always occurs? have you ever crossed the road successfully before? have you try to wait it out a bit, and comes back to the crashed place to see if the crash still occur?

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Bilbo:

Unhandled exception "EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION" at 0x7FF77CEB7543 Fallout4.exe+1D37543

+1D That is the mod slot causing the issue.

[1D] keke-bu Magnolia.2268A_1.0.1.esp

Did you move Magnolia?

[Bilbo]

The crash didn't occur when I started in Sanctuary, ran through Red Rocket and to Concord, only when I run from Concord back that way or fast travel to Either Sanctuary or Red Rocket.

And I mentioned in the post that I already looked at the mod slot causing the issue and it makes no sense because I haven't done anything with Magnolia, I disabled that mod and tried it again and it still crashed saying it was the same slot, but it was a different mod in that slot that time around.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Bilbo:

I disabled that mod and tried it again and it still crashed saying it was the same slot, but it was a different mod in that slot that time around.

Any chance those same facial fixes were applied to a settler?

The last time I seen that sort of behavior blaming a certain slot was a bad .dll in my NVidia driver, but it said the .dll not the fallout.exe.

Try reinstalling your drivers, rolling back your driver, or changing it from game to studio, etc.

[Wingress]

Originally posted by Bilbo:

The crash didn't occur when I started in Sanctuary, ran through Red Rocket and to Concord, only when I run from Concord back that way or fast travel to Either Sanctuary or Red Rocket.

So the problem might not be caused by the location itself, but rather by something that is in that location, that's why I asked you to wait it out, go sleep somewhere for some days, maybe try another saves and see if it crashes there.

For example, the crash might be caused by Mutant Menagerie, maybe there's a creature from the mod that's in Red Rocket right now and the game crashes everytime it tries to load in that creature.

[Bilbo]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by Bilbo:

I disabled that mod and tried it again and it still crashed saying it was the same slot, but it was a different mod in that slot that time around.

Any chance those same facial fixes were applied to a settler?

The last time I seen that sort of behavior blaming a certain slot was a bad .dll in my NVidia driver, but it said the .dll not the fallout.exe.

Try reinstalling your drivers, rolling back your driver, or changing it from game to studio, etc.

So the callback in the crash log does actually refer to two DLLs, I just have no idea where they are on my PC or what programs they're tied to

[5] 0x7FF8FFE47034 KERNEL32.DLL+0017034
[6] 0x7FF900882651 ntdll.dll+0052651

[Shadowrun]

Originally posted by Bilbo:

So the callback in the crash log does actually refer to two DLLs, I just have no idea where they are on my PC or what programs they're tied to

[5] 0x7FF8FFE47034 KERNEL32.DLL+0017034
[6] 0x7FF900882651 ntdll.dll+0052651

those are windows DLLs budday. used to run the system and most likely aren't tied to your game problems?

here's what google says about those files

Kernel32.dll file handles the memory usage in "Microsoft Windows". It is one of the primary files that are needed in order for "Windows" to function

The ntdll. dll file is a file created by Microsoft with a description of "NT Layer DLL" and is the file containing NT kernel functions. The ntdll. dll file is located in the c:\windows\system32

[Bilbo]

Originally posted by aaron.mann:

Originally posted by Bilbo:

So the callback in the crash log does actually refer to two DLLs, I just have no idea where they are on my PC or what programs they're tied to

[5] 0x7FF8FFE47034 KERNEL32.DLL+0017034
[6] 0x7FF900882651 ntdll.dll+0052651

those are windows DLLs budday. used to run the system and most likely aren't tied to your game problems?

here's what google says about those files

Kernel32.dll file handles the memory usage in "Microsoft Windows". It is one of the primary files that are needed in order for "Windows" to function

The ntdll. dll file is a file created by Microsoft with a description of "NT Layer DLL" and is the file containing NT kernel functions. The ntdll. dll file is located in the c:\windows\system32

I actually managed to fix it a little bit ago, reinstalled the ntdll.dll file through CMD and restarted and it fixed the issue. I don't know what went wrong with that file, maybe a windows update broke it, but that was the issue.

[Shadowrun]

nice job. thanks for posting the resolution

[Bilbo]

Thank you for the DLL suggestion, that's what made me look for the fix

For anyone looking, this was how I fixed it: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/app-crash-with-ntdlldll/9aa59f80-99a1-4f3c-b2f0-7eb72df05b2a

[Shadowrun]

that's what's funny to me about this process. you put any one of us to solve this by ourself and it's going to take days. weeks maybe. maybe we give up and it never gets solved. :D

but you put 4 of our heads together and BAM! we figure it out in a day. and it only took that long because we're not online at the same time and it takes time for messages to get read, lol.

a corrupted windows dll. who woulda thunk. i've been helping people fix problems with this game here in the forum for months. you honestly never know what's to blame with a PC lol. it could be anything i swear

[Bilbo]

Yeah I seriously would have spent at least a full day switching mods on and off trying to fix this, then eventually giving up because it wouldn't have done anything. I didn't even think of the DLLs in the error log until someone mentioned that they saw an issue with it in the past. I love the modding community on Bethesda games.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Bilbo:

Yeah I seriously would have spent at least a full day switching mods on and off trying to fix this, then eventually giving up because it wouldn't have done anything.

This is why I usually avoid telling anyone to reinstall everything because it may not even solve anything and it does become a waste of time.

Originally posted by Bilbo:

I didn't even think of the DLLs in the error log until someone mentioned that they saw an issue with it in the past. I love the modding community on Bethesda games.

When I had my .dll issue it was a nightmare. I reinstalled the game and all my mods like three times. This was because Buffout 4 kept pointing to whichever mod was in slot 07, remove one mod and it blamed another in the same slot.

The other obvious thing is when it blames a REALLY common mod like Workshop Framework, which is used by THOUSANDS of people so if there was an actual issue with the mod itself it would be really common topic.

I went through about a dozen different graphics drivers, some of different .dll from different drivers made it worse. At one point I could not even get through the title screen or load any save.

Overall I think I spent like 3-4 days trying to resolve my .dll issue. Took like about a week and a half because I gave up and took a breka for a day two between attempts. Most topics about the .dll was just people throwing wild crap guesses like weapon debris

Quite a bit comes from personal experience and helping people for years, you tend to see some of the issues and symptoms from different people. It also helps a lot when someone actually provides information rather than it just crashes or some bug rant.

So next time I see someone with these symptoms, but it aint pointing to the NVidia .dll I can point them towards the .dll you fixed.

[parsa6731]

Hello, thanks for posting this, it helped me figure out my issue and fix it. My logs look like yours and with the same symptoms where it crashed in big cities. I did however fix it another way which is why I'm sharing it in case it helps someone. I'm running windows 10 and I simply just set the program to run in compatibility mode for windows 7 in properties, and I also set it to run as administrator. Idk if setting it to run as admin did anything but it didn't hurt.

[flour]

Originally posted by Bilbo:

Thank you for the DLL suggestion, that's what made me look for the fix

For anyone looking, this was how I fixed it: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/app-crash-with-ntdlldll/9aa59f80-99a1-4f3c-b2f0-7eb72df05b2a

I've been experiencing this issue for months, but I can't seem to solve it the way you are suggesting. I've also seen many posts addressing this impossibility. One was a Windows support person telling off another Windows support person for recommending this dll fix, because ntdll.dll cannot be registered nor unregistered with regsvr32.exe. The only way I have seen others recommend accomplishing this is by having someone send you their ntdll.dll from the same version of Windows as yourself.

Is there another way you managed? I'm not understanding how this was the solution.