Fallout 4 Gunners On Par With Bos?

[pjedilord]

If Gunners went to war with Bos, who would win? they are both ex us army elite
Troops, gunners are vast with more troops in the commonw, Bos are force of offence
Troops that came to Commonw, how many Bos and gunners are there?
Would have thought they be more gunners and they are in Nuka dlc.
Gunners tend to have better weapons and great armor.

Gunners can make hit and run attacks on Bos HQ in commonw, Bos cant as Gunners
Have many bases, with the right plan they would be dangerous threat to Bos if they
Wanted, RR and MM is small faction, would also lose to Gunners just strike there
HQ and they lose, they are not so well stocked like Gunners, having
Weak armor and weapons,RR railguns is not ideal for vast battles due to fire rate.

The Institute if they have more vast troops should win? as Gunners can't strike
Institute. If gunners went to war with Bos who would win?

Organization mentions they are on par with Bos, best trained etc
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Gunners

[GoreTiger]

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Ah yes, those "advanced" people who were kidnapping, raiding, killing, and lording over the commonwealth. Those "advanced people" who dumped all their failed experiments aka super mutants into the wasteland to terrorize the populace. Those big eveil "technology pirates" aka brotherhood of steal just rushed in and bullied those poor innocent scientists.
Have you actually played the games, or are you just trolling?

Sole Survivor goes out and kills raiders, gunners, etc. What's better? Just kill them or use them as experiments? The FEV project was started by the US military pre-war to make a better soldier, and the Institute tried to make changes to the genetics making it easier to survive on the surface. In most cases they failed.
And yes, apparently the BOS came to murder the institute and take their tech. As been said, Danse found evidence they were in Boston.

You cannot use the player's actions as justification for anything lmao. they are the PLAYER'S choices, They do not prove anything regarding lore.
But the fact you're trying to justify the kidnapping replacements and murders of innocent settlers for the institute's FEV experiments show how shallow minded your thought process is. I think I've made my point here lmao.

[Xenon The Noble]

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I found holotapes in the Cambridge Police station where Danse

What happens if SS does not visit Danse there?Bos does not advance when they come?

The BOS shows up regardless. If you don't leave via the elevator to the roof after killing Kellogg, the steel blimp doesn't show up but there's still a BOS base at the Boston Airport, but there are no Vertibirds and obvious BOS presence all over the commonwealth. Or at least, I've not seen them in this play through.

[Xenon The Noble]

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Sole Survivor goes out and kills raiders, gunners, etc. What's better? Just kill them or use them as experiments? The FEV project was started by the US military pre-war to make a better soldier, and the Institute tried to make changes to the genetics making it easier to survive on the surface. In most cases they failed.
And yes, apparently the BOS came to murder the institute and take their tech. As been said, Danse found evidence they were in Boston.

You cannot use the player's actions as justification for anything lmao. they are the PLAYER'S choices, They do not prove anything regarding lore.
But the fact you're trying to justify the kidnapping replacements and murders of innocent settlers for the institute's FEV experiments show how shallow minded your thought process is. I think I've made my point here lmao.

Pretty sure it wouldn't be the game if Sole Survivor didn't shoot raiders etc. That's a pretty bad argument.
The only settler who was replaced that I know of was Warwick, because he not only couldn't do his research, but was become abusive to his family.
Kasumi Nakano was not a synth, she just thought she was. She gets killed if Sole Survivor rats out Arcadia to the Institute, but she has no synth component.
Mayor McDonough is replaced by a synth for the purpose of reporting on the commonwealth and anti-Institute information, like Piper's fear mongering of synths. I mean, seriously, she's worried about synths but right outside Diamond city there are places were Supermutants will chop you up and put you in a meat bag to eat later. She needs to get her priorities straight.
Again, FEV created by the founder of the BOS as part of a US military experiment to see if they could make a super-soldier, and was studied by the Institute to see if it could be used to make a human better able to survive the surface. They couldn't and the research ended. As long as they used folks like raiders who had committed a capital crime, I don't see an ethical problem with it.

[Xenon The Noble]

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I find Gunners are tougher to battle than Bos, Gunners are not easy to beat.
People give too much credit to bos power armour.
Missle attack small group Bos and they died,Gunners could just as easy do to Bos.
Was side mission forgot was called.

They're both a challenge and make a fine enemy. Type 1 & 2 synths, otoh, are just bullet sponges with pop guns.

[goatfish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fqQwI1gnL0

[Ommamar]

In the base vanilla game I would give the advantage to the BoS, although I think it would be similar to a fight between the BoS and the NCR. In all the games the BoS is considered a small group of well equipped fanatics. They have the technological edge along with air superiority with a more ingrained code of conduct. The gunners at their base are mercenaries their motivation is to gain caps with a secondary to take over and defend a stationary base. They have a few outposts as do the BoS which would both become irrelevant in the battle that would occur between them. The BoS would have success attacking Quincy which if I recall in the Vanilla was the gunners headquarters. On the other hand the gunners would have a very difficult time taking over the Boston airport.

All that being said it would be unlikely they would ever engage each other outside incidental skirmishes. The BoS has an overlying mission of locating then destroying the institute so engaging a faction like the gunners would detract from that mission in both manpower and military resources. The gunners motivating is caps so the return on investment of a contract to take out the brotherhood would be at the best negligible but more likely a negative return.

[GoreTiger]

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You cannot use the player's actions as justification for anything lmao. they are the PLAYER'S choices, They do not prove anything regarding lore.
But the fact you're trying to justify the kidnapping replacements and murders of innocent settlers for the institute's FEV experiments show how shallow minded your thought process is. I think I've made my point here lmao.

Pretty sure it wouldn't be the game if Sole Survivor didn't shoot raiders etc. That's a pretty bad argument.
The only settler who was replaced that I know of was Warwick, because he not only couldn't do his research, but was become abusive to his family.
Kasumi Nakano was not a synth, she just thought she was. She gets killed if Sole Survivor rats out Arcadia to the Institute, but she has no synth component.
Mayor McDonough is replaced by a synth for the purpose of reporting on the commonwealth and anti-Institute information, like Piper's fear mongering of synths. I mean, seriously, she's worried about synths but right outside Diamond city there are places were Supermutants will chop you up and put you in a meat bag to eat later. She needs to get her priorities straight.
Again, FEV created by the founder of the BOS as part of a US military experiment to see if they could make a super-soldier, and was studied by the Institute to see if it could be used to make a human better able to survive the surface. They couldn't and the research ended. As long as they used folks like raiders who had committed a capital crime, I don't see an ethical problem with it.

Again, What the PLAYER does is irrelevant to the lore. The PLAYER has plot armor. It's like me saying oh raiders are actually good people because me the PLAYER took them over and I only do good things with them, when lore-wise no, that's obviously not true.

If you think the only person who was replaced was the father at Warwick, then you didn't pay attention to the game at all Lol.

You're showing more and more your bias against not only the BOS but your butt-riding of the institute. You claim piper shouldn't be worried about the institute when the Institute are literal mad scientists chock full of war crimes lmao. Not to mention, she was RIGHT. the institute WAS interfering with diamond city and no, The Mayor wasn't replaced JUST for "reporting", lmao.

You seriously did not pay attention to any of the game. I'm sure of it now.
John Maxson did NOT create the FEV virus. The FEV virus was created by West Tek under the secret command of the Enclave. The institute still kidnapped, tortured, and dumped their failed experiments onto the wasteland when they were done. They didn't "just use raiders", And the experiments didn't shut down because they "Failed". They shut down because one of their scientists went rogue and destroyed most of the lab forcing it to shut down.
and fyi, The BOS was founded because John Maxson discovered the FEV experiments at mariposa and defected from the army the night before the bombs dropped.
I'm done arguing with you, After that comment that the "founder of the bos" created the FEV virus shows you have no idea what you're talking about anymore. What an absolute clown lol.

[Xenon The Noble]

The Gunners are more military, and wouldn't have gotten their asses handed to them by a bunch of drugged up raiders with pop guns in a old car factory. Danse said he lost four people since coming to the commonwealth.

[Ommamar]

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The Gunners are more military, and wouldn't have gotten their asses handed to them by a bunch of drugged up raiders with pop guns in a old car factory. Danse said he lost four people since coming to the commonwealth.

it did strike me odd that Danse was the only one of that group that had power armor there wasn't even a busted up set in the garage on the power armor workstation which would of been an easy thing to add. There are some logs you can read though that not all the losses where at Corvega, although since you pretty much clear the area yourself it does indicate how poor Danse's initial squad was.

[Zes]

Why BoS cant even do own missions without your help? They were beaten by ghouls but sending you to exterminate ghouls in a place? Or preston hardly made it to sanctuary by losing 15 men on the way but sending you to ass end of the commonwealth alone to kill a factory loaded raiders?

• Why do all factions have incompetent leaders?
• Why everybody needs your help?
• Why everybody wants to be your follower but you don't follow anyone?
• Why can you sneak up on your enemies but they all make noises and talk when they see you?
• Why haven't you ever received a sneak critical headshot while building your settlement..
• Why don't you get attacked while sleeping..

Because this is what designers have learned in the last a few decades in gaming industry. This is what players want.

[Bored Peon]

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• Why everybody needs your help?

That makes an interesting though. What would a open world game with NPCs that never ask for help doing quests be like?

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• Why everybody wants to be your follower but you don't follow anyone?

Well you follow Longfellow for a short distance.
You also follow Jack Cabot for a while.

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• Why don't you get attacked while sleeping..

Settlement attacks scheduled for when you are sleeping wake you up.

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• Why can you sneak up on your enemies but they all make noises and talk when they see you?

Yeah only the vanilla melee assaultrons do that.

[GoreTiger]

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Why BoS cant even do own missions without your help? They were beaten by ghouls but sending you to exterminate ghouls in a place? Or preston hardly made it to sanctuary by losing 15 men on the way but sending you to ass end of the commonwealth alone to kill a factory loaded raiders?

• Why do all factions have incompetent leaders?
• Why everybody needs your help?
• Why everybody wants to be your follower but you don't follow anyone?
• Why can you sneak up on your enemies but they all make noises and talk when they see you?
• Why haven't you ever received a sneak critical headshot while building your settlement..
• Why don't you get attacked while sleeping..

Because this is what designers have learned in the last a few decades in gaming industry. This is what players want.

The bos doesn't need your help. Out of all the factions, The BOS and the institute are the two who don't need the Player's help in order to survive. The BOS still complete their objectives and get Prime functioning even if the player doesn't side with them, and the institute gets their reactor working even if the player doesn't help them.
If the player character didn't exist at all, The BOS would be just fine as would the Institute. The minutemen would die and the railroad likely would as well.

[pjedilord]

Would make interesting mission if Gunners attack Bos and taken prime for there use?

[sascomander]

Base game gunners vs Brotherhood would just be Brotherhood vs raiders basically.

Creation club Gunners vs Brotherhood would almost at the same power level. The creation club often involves the gunners in their quest and gives them access to a lot more advanced technology like Vertibirds , multiple sets of power armor even X01, Anti material rifles, Tesla cannons, Gauss rifles, Even former institute coursers who joined the gunners like Captain Janssen.

[DouglasGrave]

To make it a three-way comparison, what about the Rust Devils compared to the Gunners or the Brotherhood?

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If you think the only person who was replaced was the father at Warwick, then you didn't pay attention to the game at all Lol.

There are about four cases (McDonough, Roger Warwick, Sammy, and Art) we can confirm with relative surety, which still isn't all that many. Most of the time, replacing someone is just wasted effort because a synth infiltrator can just pretend to be an unknown wastelander and get the same result.