Fallout 4 Gunners On Par With Bos?

[pjedilord]

If Gunners went to war with Bos, who would win? they are both ex us army elite
Troops, gunners are vast with more troops in the commonw, Bos are force of offence
Troops that came to Commonw, how many Bos and gunners are there?
Would have thought they be more gunners and they are in Nuka dlc.
Gunners tend to have better weapons and great armor.

Gunners can make hit and run attacks on Bos HQ in commonw, Bos cant as Gunners
Have many bases, with the right plan they would be dangerous threat to Bos if they
Wanted, RR and MM is small faction, would also lose to Gunners just strike there
HQ and they lose, they are not so well stocked like Gunners, having
Weak armor and weapons,RR railguns is not ideal for vast battles due to fire rate.

The Institute if they have more vast troops should win? as Gunners can't strike
Institute. If gunners went to war with Bos who would win?

Organization mentions they are on par with Bos, best trained etc
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Gunners

[s.turner3030]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

My impression is that they opportunistically sit on the fence between being mercenaries and raiders.

They'll work for pay when it suits them and do their job properly when getting paid, usually when it's someone from the bigger and more prosperous settlements. But they'll kill travellers and attack smaller or weaker settlements when a chance presents itself.

It's like someone is running a raider gang intent on taking over, but is carefully picking their time and targets as they build up their strength and spread across the Commonwealth. They certainly feel like a more organized group pursuing an agenda.

Thing is if you read their terminals they definitely come across as a fairly well equipped and organised group that are not local, and very much have an agenda, their own or somebody else is another matter entirely. I doubt that we will ever get a clear answer as to who the hell they really are and what they are really up to, we can only guess by their actions, which is kinda odd, though being opportunist does work and fits quite a bit about what happens with them.

[Ommamar]

Originally posted by s.turner3030:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

My impression is that they opportunistically sit on the fence between being mercenaries and raiders.

They'll work for pay when it suits them and do their job properly when getting paid, usually when it's someone from the bigger and more prosperous settlements. But they'll kill travellers and attack smaller or weaker settlements when a chance presents itself.

It's like someone is running a raider gang intent on taking over, but is carefully picking their time and targets as they build up their strength and spread across the Commonwealth. They certainly feel like a more organized group pursuing an agenda.

Thing is if you read their terminals they definitely come across as a fairly well equipped and organised group that are not local, and very much have an agenda, their own or somebody else is another matter entirely. I doubt that we will ever get a clear answer as to who the hell they really are and what they are really up to, we can only guess by their actions, which is kinda odd, though being opportunist does work and fits quite a bit about what happens with them.

I could picture a scenario where an outside agency gave a mission to create chaos to help destabilize the area so when they decided to conquer it there would be less resistance. I am thinking of something like Caeser's legion who first set the tribes at war with one another before conquering to enslave them.

At the same time they would still be open to working for certain groups as mercenaries to help keep them supplied with equipment. In the end the commonwealth is a war zone with a few areas of civilization so it makes sense that people would attack anyone they could get away with.

[Warlock]

I would say BoS considering their richer resources in vertibirds, having huge flagship and greater technology. Gunners only have one vertibird and it can be easily disposed of by Sole Survivor. BoS are heavily overpowered, Gunners would put up a tough fight but ultimately loose due to military prowess of the Brotherhood.

I always thought Gunners were ex-army in Boston and were responsible for crackdowns, military dictatorship and curfews mentioned happening in Boston after nuclear explosion, but now I'm not sure and I haven't been to Vault 75.

[s.turner3030]

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

I would say BoS considering their richer resources in vertibirds, having huge flagship and greater technology. Gunners only have one vertibird and it can be easily disposed of by Sole Survivor. BoS are heavily overpowered, Gunners would put up a tough fight but ultimately loose due to military prowess of the Brotherhood.

I always thought Gunners were ex-army in Boston and were responsible for crackdowns, military dictatorship and curfews mentioned happening in Boston after nuclear explosion, but now I'm not sure and I haven't been to Vault 75.

Do not forget vertibirds are not gunships they are armed transports first, sure they help, in the end such a fight would most like finish with whichever side ran out of supplies/troops first, you can not really count the sole survivor either as they are basically a force of nature and seriously op in the game, and that assumes of course that the sole survivor even likes the bos, my view of them is variable, some of the chapters I like others I would quite happily wipe out without hesitation, maxon well he rubs me the wrong way and in all my play throughs bos is one faction that I wipe out without though.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by s.turner3030:

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

I would say BoS considering their richer resources in vertibirds, having huge flagship and greater technology. Gunners only have one vertibird and it can be easily disposed of by Sole Survivor. BoS are heavily overpowered, Gunners would put up a tough fight but ultimately loose due to military prowess of the Brotherhood.

I always thought Gunners were ex-army in Boston and were responsible for crackdowns, military dictatorship and curfews mentioned happening in Boston after nuclear explosion, but now I'm not sure and I haven't been to Vault 75.

Do not forget vertibirds are not gunships they are armed transports first, sure they help, in the end such a fight would most like finish with whichever side ran out of supplies/troops first, you can not really count the sole survivor either as they are basically a force of nature and seriously op in the game, and that assumes of course that the sole survivor even likes the bos, my view of them is variable, some of the chapters I like others I would quite happily wipe out without hesitation, maxon well he rubs me the wrong way and in all my play throughs bos is one faction that I wipe out without though.

I'd say by default Nate would join BoS until digging and finding out they are deserters and that Enclave were more than "rebels", then he joins Institute believing its a way to restore US.

Default Nora may join Railroad as she is civil rights lawyer, but maybe her beliefs in rights don't extend to machines. Who knows. At least, that's what I think the default Sole Survivor would do.

Maxson is a zealot, his beliefs and Danse's justifications may not be wrong but BoS is and always was hostile, even Lyons' chapter was not kind to Enclave survivors or non-feral Ghouls. BoS is way better than Gunners, it's not just that they shoot player on sight that makes them bad, it's how scummy they are. Wiping out settlement, human trafficking and road extortions. At least BoS doesn't do the later two and hasn't wiped out a human settlement yet or even ghoul settlement like Goodneighbor.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Maxson is a zealot, his beliefs and Danse's justifications may not be wrong but BoS is and always was hostile, even Lyons' chapter was not kind to Enclave survivors or non-feral Ghouls.

To be fair to the Brotherhood on the Enclave front, the Enclave was being a little bit genocidal in its desire to kill off all wastelanders as subhuman mutants.

[Jane Shepard]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Maxson is a zealot, his beliefs and Danse's justifications may not be wrong but BoS is and always was hostile, even Lyons' chapter was not kind to Enclave survivors or non-feral Ghouls.

To be fair to the Brotherhood on the Enclave front, the Enclave was being a little bit genocidal in its desire to kill off all wastelanders as subhuman mutants.

Yah truth be told the Enclave despite being literal Decendants to the US Govt were onn a Genocidal Run and basically if you weren't with them 100% you were dead, simple as that.

So I'd say the BoS was VERY Justified in their actions against them.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Maxson is a zealot, his beliefs and Danse's justifications may not be wrong but BoS is and always was hostile, even Lyons' chapter was not kind to Enclave survivors or non-feral Ghouls.

To be fair to the Brotherhood on the Enclave front, the Enclave was being a little bit genocidal in its desire to kill off all wastelanders as subhuman mutants.

True, I just think its harsh they judged everyone the same as Arcade points out. He can get indefinite sentence despite only being a child in the Enclave. So, hunting down a mechanic who was in Enclave or descendant of Enclave soldier is really off, but it's harsh world so maybe it's also realistic.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Cazzy The Smol Bolt:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

To be fair to the Brotherhood on the Enclave front, the Enclave was being a little bit genocidal in its desire to kill off all wastelanders as subhuman mutants.

Yah truth be told the Enclave despite being literal Decendants to the US Govt were onn a Genocidal Run and basically if you weren't with them 100% you were dead, simple as that.

So I'd say the BoS was VERY Justified in their actions against them.

Well, there was never given a choice to the player, lol. 101 Vault Dweller could have definitely joined Enclave if there was such option, but even siding with Eden counts for nothing. But yeah, Enclave is not the friendliest faction to put it lightly.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

To be fair to the Brotherhood on the Enclave front, the Enclave was being a little bit genocidal in its desire to kill off all wastelanders as subhuman mutants.

True, I just think its harsh they judged everyone the same as Arcade points out. He can get indefinite sentence despite only being a child in the Enclave. So, hunting down a mechanic who was in Enclave or descendant of Enclave soldier is really off, but it's harsh world so maybe it's also realistic.

I would say that's more a pragmatic thing than exactly moral, because how can you tell who was zealously devoted to the cause and who merely a follower. What you can say is that they participated in either conducting or supporting the Enclave's work, and there are no formal courts to investigate it any further.

Children are more problematic, of course, though there are many who would ask if when that child is grown they might not seek revenge or take up the cause of their lost family from the Enclave. In a more stable society, we might try to manage and educate them, but this is the wasteland.

[Jane Shepard]

Originally posted by Knight of Revan:

Originally posted by Cazzy The Smol Bolt:

Yah truth be told the Enclave despite being literal Decendants to the US Govt were onn a Genocidal Run and basically if you weren't with them 100% you were dead, simple as that.

So I'd say the BoS was VERY Justified in their actions against them.

Well, there was never given a choice to the player, lol. 101 Vault Dweller could have definitely joined Enclave if there was such option, but even siding with Eden counts for nothing. But yeah, Enclave is not the friendliest faction to put it lightly.

Well we cannot take player Choices or Actions into affect here. The Player Character is by default a OPed Mess... like there's a reason I use Console Commands to bring myself to 100 Health despite being on Legendary Difficulty.

Could the Lone Wanderer have joined the Enclave? NO! Why do I say this? Because FO3 was more about telling a Story then it was about Choices. It's just like how in Oblivion there was no Option to join the Cult of Dagon (cause why would you), it's about the Story.

Plus the Lone Wanderer was a Goody-Two-Shoes Daddy Loving 19yo at the time of the Events of the Game... likely the Canonically Youngest Protagonist in Fallout. I mean they loved their Dad... and I don't know about you but if I saw a group kill my Dad... yah I'd stay away from them given the fact at that point we knew NOTHING about them.