Odd bug: NPCs sort of "Looping" in idle animations

[SIlverblade-T-E]

few days ago, I noted most NPCs, not all but most, have developed a weird sort of glitch, they loop when doing idle animations
for example, they try to sit down, but it sort of fails and they instantly jump back up straight...and start again...looping this sort of behaviour,
or similar, like a vendor trying to stand at their kiosk and jerking back, etc

regular settlers and companions seem ok, but named NPCs seem to be the ones affected or at least, the most.

any help, please? :)

[SuperSledgeNY]

Any mods?

[Iron Knights]

NPC path problems, not sure it can be fixed. I get those most with artillery cannons.

[Iceira]

Do not have negative settlements, beds water / food is a most to have, it feel like they can effect game scripts.

same with things not build right, as iron knihts point out access to and walk on things, even seen npc stuck on gartners glass roof because overbuild with wood area to expand/impove settlements. its a complicated issue , i just call it ingame script issue.

and you need to be be sure you know the diffrence in game requirements with high texture pack and standard dlc's and know the diffrence in I7 and lesser pc. see game requirements, i dont need to explan anything in what Bethesda already did. see high texture dlc game requirement or turn it off to return to store page default game requirements.

[SIlverblade-T-E]

lots of mods, so probably the root cause somehow

high-ish spec PC

oh well, thanks for the replies folks :),
it's not game breaking just annoying

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by SIlverblade-T-E:

lots of mods, so probably the root cause somehow

Since you did a fresh reinstall make sure FPS is capped to 60 FPS. If you are above that your scripted animations could be getting a time out error and trying again.

The next obvious would be look at any mods affecting settler idle behavior.

After that I would look at any settlement makeover/cleaning mods. The navmesh for the settlement may be corrupted or broken. Could check animations in a settlement not using a makeover mod.

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

Do not have negative settlements, beds water / food is a most to have, it feel like they can effect game scripts.

Wrong. Bad settlement data is never going to cause script issues.

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

... even seen npc stuck on gartners glass roof....

NPCs get stuck on roofs because the game engine drops them when placing them on their predicted routine when a settlement loads.

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

...see game requirements, i dont need to explan anything in what Bethesda already did.

You seriously need to stop throwing this at every issue posted. The game is six years old. 99% of the players have a PC that exceeds minimum requirements. To have a PC that does not meet the minimum requirements means their PC is like 6-10 years old.

[Iron Knights]

Mine was New in 2014, no game problems, you need to say 10-12 years old.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Mine was New in 2014, no game problems, you need to say 10-12 years old.

You have a point I did not go back far enough. I really should not have to say it at all though. Especially considering I said it before in a previous topic.

[Iceira]

and you need IT education not all pc have high CPU basescore some laptop start with lower2.0 ghz and dont have 3.3ghz and thats a problem with things in balance mode this game requirement need its full performance.

and stop tell other what to write, you can be reported for such. you are ignorant as hell and try controll what things is allowed steam dont like that.ask any here.

[Löthar Storm]

minimum to recommended GHz is for the most part out the window so far as processors go nowadays provided one has a competent GPU to pull the weight & even then CPU's got a whole helluva lot more efficient in recent years.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

and stop tell other what to write, you can be reported for such. you are ignorant as hell and try controll what things is allowed steam dont like that.ask any here.

Ignorance is someone threatening to report posts while throwing insults.
Ignorance is accusing me of controlling what you write while telling me what I can not write.
Ignorance is accusing people of not meeting PC requirements without asking for their specs.
Ignorance is ignoring the advice to stop trying to make low PC specs an issue.

Top that off with this:

Originally posted by SIlverblade-T-E:

high-ish spec PC

You ignored the OP posting PC specs and accused them of having a low end PC.

You are also ignorant in the fact that I remember Silverblade from years ago when he was last active in the community.

Just like I remember the first time you posted about PC specs you literally said "people were too stupid to read the requirements."

[Iceira]

nah, thats the problem here to other we just laugh over the lack of skill you have then you assume all in the world know what they are doing.

and you still play moderator here, with i accused other , i never use that word.

there is a diffrence in the way you say things and i point out do you have game requirements, thats not a accusing anything,

and you even brake step by step post with a back to the future, you dont even can follow post number and timeindex in then something was said, man do you even have basic communication skill at all.

you cant hide in what you have done , and you keep doing it.
steam have all the logs in what you are doing.

[SIlverblade-T-E]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by SIlverblade-T-E:

lots of mods, so probably the root cause somehow

Since you did a fresh reinstall make sure FPS is capped to 60 FPS. If you are above that your scripted animations could be getting a time out error and trying again.

The next obvious would be look at any mods affecting settler idle behavior.

After that I would look at any settlement makeover/cleaning mods. The navmesh for the settlement may be corrupted or broken. Could check animations in a settlement not using a makeover mod.

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

Do not have negative settlements, beds water / food is a most to have, it feel like they can effect game scripts.

Wrong. Bad settlement data is never going to cause script issues.

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

... even seen npc stuck on gartners glass roof....

NPCs get stuck on roofs because the game engine drops them when placing them on their predicted routine when a settlement loads.

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

...see game requirements, i dont need to explan anything in what Bethesda already did.

You seriously need to stop throwing this at every issue posted. The game is six years old. 99% of the players have a PC that exceeds minimum requirements. To have a PC that does not meet the minimum requirements means their PC is like 6-10 years old.

thanks for long, intelligent reply, it's appreciated! :)

It's ALL settlements AND places like Goodneighbour for *some* NPCs but not all, most basic settlers work fine, but those whoa re named, like TIer 4 vendors, glitch
also those who visit your settlements like the caravan vendors
as said, usually named ones

2 year old gaming PC, WAY more than enough to run FO4 :)


it might have started by one of these ways I think

#1 Settlement defence Kit, I used the remote TVs to run settlement defence/attacks to save time have yo go there
after one such attack on Abenrathy Farm, all settlers, EXCEPT brand new ones, are constantly stuck in the "thanks for your help!" response


#2 I used console command to open the inventory of a Tier 4 merchant in a settlement

[Iceira]

Seen same bug as you call them and get out of them, and still dont use mods in the game, and thats why i call it ingame script issue , and it work for me lesser settlement issue lesser bug.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by SIlverblade-T-E:

thanks for long, intelligent reply, it's appreciated! :)

Yeah if you look at the post history that person is always shoveling brahminshit unrelated responses to people's issues. Then of course every time I post the correct information they spit out a bunch of insults.

Originally posted by SIlverblade-T-E:

#1 Settlement defence Kit, I used the remote TVs to run settlement defence/attacks to save time have yo go there
after one such attack on Abenrathy Farm, all settlers, EXCEPT brand new ones, are constantly stuck in the "thanks for your help!" response

That is a normal bug, happens sometimes with vanilla. Just go to another settlement for a few days and it should clear itself.

Originally posted by SIlverblade-T-E:

#2 I used console command to open the inventory of a Tier 4 merchant in a settlement

That would not cause it. I used that command all the time in the VR settlements.

Originally posted by SIlverblade-T-E:

It's ALL settlements AND places like Goodneighbour for *some* NPCs but not all, most basic settlers work fine, but those whoa re named, like TIer 4 vendors, glitch
also those who visit your settlements like the caravan vendors
as said, usually named ones

So all settlements rules out the navmesh issue.
The fact basic settler animations work rules out an FPS issue.
That leaves a scripting issue, which sucks because that means disabling mods wont help because scripting is baked into a save.

Any better NPC/Vendor type mods you installed? Check Nexus page forum see if others have same issues.

[SIlverblade-T-E]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

So all settlements rules out the navmesh issue.
The fact basic settler animations work rules out an FPS issue.
That leaves a scripting issue, which sucks because that means disabling mods wont help because scripting is baked into a save.

Any better NPC/Vendor type mods you installed? Check Nexus page forum see if others have same issues.

I use More Smarter Companions mod

oh well just have to live with the bug
again, thank you for your help, very kind of you :)