Fallout 4 Dima Institute?

[pjedilord]

When i visit dima he was sad the Institute was gone, should i have playthough when
Institute is not gone and talk to dima?
Why was dima diffent from other synths? he looks diffent than nick, so how can he
be related to nick?
Can dima go back to the Institute?

[Lorax]

Dima has unique dialog about all factions and there are quests that can be done related to him and Acadia for three of the four main story factions.

But honestly your not missing much by having the institute already destroyed when talking to him. Far harbour can stand on it's own as a story. In fact it has far more choice in it than the main game. One of if not thee best DLC they ever made for Fallout.

He is not exactly sad that the institute is gone. Acadia and himself lived in fear of the institute, but at the same time, with their destruction goes the chance of any new synths.

I don't know how far you are in the far harbour story, but Dima explains his backstory and I don't want to spoil it. But the jist of it is that they were the only two synths of their kind created.

And I don't know what you mean that nick and him don't look a like. Dima has made some modifications to himself sure but they look mostly the same. They are both old beat up synths, what else could you possibly want?

Dima would rather die than go back to the institute and the institute will try to reclaim most of the synths in Acadia if you tell them about it but will decide Dima is to dangerous to be left alive and destroy him

[Fake]

Originally posted by Lorax:

Dima would rather die than go back to the institute

You fell for DiMa's lies. DiMa isn't alive. It's a machine.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by Lorax:

Dima has unique dialog about all factions and there are quests that can be done related to him and Acadia for three of the four main story factions.

But honestly your not missing much by having the institute already destroyed when talking to him. Far harbour can stand on it's own as a story. In fact it has far more choice in it than the main game. One of if not thee best DLC they ever made for Fallout.

He is not exactly sad that the institute is gone. Acadia and himself lived in fear of the institute, but at the same time, with their destruction goes the chance of any new synths.

I don't know how far you are in the far harbour story, but Dima explains his backstory and I don't want to spoil it. But the jist of it is that they were the only two synths of their kind created.

And I don't know what you mean that nick and him don't look a like. Dima has made some modifications to himself sure but they look mostly the same. They are both old beat up synths, what else could you possibly want?

Dima would rather die than go back to the institute and the institute will try to reclaim most of the synths in Acadia if you tell them about it but will decide Dima is to dangerous to be left alive and destroy him

Thanks done DLC, so it is worth SS telling the institute they are there?
Does SS go with Synths to battle?
Just thinking of my future play though.
Only had RR send synths there.

[Fake]

Instead of asking, why not try it and find out?

[Solomon Hawk]

Look at it this way.
The people of Far Harbor were there long before Synths and the Children of Atom ever showed up. Basically, it's their home, their land.
DiMA did help Far Harbor by creating the atmospheric processors that make areas safe for the people of Far Harbor and in so doing, makes it possible for them to reclaim lands that were lost to the fog. But he also allowed the Children of Atom to establish a foothold on the island by giving them the "Nucleus".
However, if the Institute puts DiMA down, the result of that is the People of Far Harbor will possibly die. This contradicts Longfellow's point of view regarding the fog as he remembers the fog comes and goes. He also recalls that people forget.
With that in mind, there are two possible theoretical outcomes if DiMA is killed.
The people of Far Harbor will either die or they will survive.
This is not taking into consideration the increasing hostility between them and the Children of Atom.
The people of Far Harbor cannot survive a prolonged assault of the Nucleus without suffering major losses due to the radiation hazards within along with the armed resistance of the Children of Atom. But they can possibly survive a sustained siege of the Nucleus by cutting off their supply chain. In the long run, it's possible (in theory) that the People of Far Harbor will eventually take back their land even if the atmospheric processors cease functioning. (however this contradicts one of the possible endings should DiMA be killed or executed where it demonstrates the people of Far Harbor fighting to the last against the denizens of the fog and not the Children of Atom).

Personally, as far as I'm concerned .. the Institute is under my control now and they don't have to know about Far Harbor. Leave them in peace once peace is established with everyone alive.

[Ellorien]

My canon ending is to send DIMA to face Commonwealth justice in Far Harbor and then convince the High Confessor to Divide. The remaining synths or the Harbormen themselves should be able to maintain the fog condensers. Not a rocket science.
Without Children of Atom it's gonna be alright.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

The people of Far Harbor were there long before Synths and the Children of Atom ever showed up. Basically, it's their home, their land.

Some of the Children of Atom were also their own people (with as much right to the land), who they kicked out and/or murdered because they didn't like what they said about Atom. The Harbourmen (and Allen Lee in particular) are jerks who kicked off conflict with the Children in the first place.

That conflict is doubly stupid because the Children can handle conditions on the Island far better and have better equipment (especially the heavily armoured zealots); in any sort of genuine clash, the Harbourmen simply wouldn't stand a chance.

Given that the place is covered in radioactive fog, the few surviving Harbourmen should accept that the world has changed and go live somewhere more viable, leaving it to the Children who actually like it that way. It's only because of DiMA being determined to try and make everyone happy that they're able to cling to a tiny bit of the edge of the Island.

In a sense, DIMA messed things up by helping the Harbourmen in the first place. Without his intervention, they'd be dead or departed, and while Martin and Tektus would have missed out on some converts, they'd have a nice holy land perfectly suiting them without the conflict.

[Solomon Hawk]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

The people of Far Harbor were there long before Synths and the Children of Atom ever showed up. Basically, it's their home, their land.

Some of the Children of Atom were also their own people (with as much right to the land), who they kicked out and/or murdered because they didn't like what they said about Atom. The Harbourmen (and Allen Lee in particular) are jerks who kicked off conflict with the Children in the first place.

That conflict is doubly stupid because the Children can handle conditions on the Island far better and have better equipment (especially the heavily armoured zealots); in any sort of genuine clash, the Harbourmen simply wouldn't stand a chance.

Given that the place is covered in radioactive fog, the few surviving Harbourmen should accept that the world has changed and go live somewhere more viable, leaving it to the Children who actually like it that way. It's only because of DiMA being determined to try and make everyone happy that they're able to cling to a tiny bit of the edge of the Island.

In a sense, DIMA messed things up by helping the Harbourmen in the first place. Without his intervention, they'd be dead or departed, and while Martin and Tektus would have missed out on some converts, they'd have a nice holy land perfectly suiting them without the conflict.

Those who were already "gifted" with Atom's blessing wouldn't have had an issue with the people of Far Harbor (since they were already indigenous) had they not been converted. They really had no reason to join the CoA since they are perfectly capable of surviving on the island without CoA's intervention. Had they not been converted, they wouldn't have been seen any different and accepted as one of the resident "natives" of Far Harbor.
It was Martin's and Tektus zealous pursuit of their belief that the entire island was gifted to them, and since they were not native to Far Harbor, they were the uninvited guests on the island. In doing so, that brought them into direct conflict with indigenous folk of Far Harbor. This in turn caused a division among the folk of Far Harbor.
As one native put it (Alan), "we survive together or we take the long walk together".

In the end, compromise is the best solution.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

Those who were already "gifted" with Atom's blessing wouldn't have had an issue with the people of Far Harbor had they not been converted. They really had no reason to join the CoA since they are perfectly capable of surviving on the island without CoA's intervention. Had they not been converted, they wouldn't have been seen any different and accepted as one of the resident "natives" of Far Harbor.

Why should they not be accepted anyway, just because they accepted a belief in something? Do they not have the right to religious freedom on their own native land?

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

It was Martin's and Tektus zealous pursuit of their belief that the entire island was gifted to them, and since they were not native to Far Harbor, they were the uninvited guests on the island. In doing so, that brought them into direct conflict with indigenous folk of Far Harbor.

The Harbourmen who joined the Children of Atom were just as indigenous as those who didn't, but that didn't stop people like Allen turning against those who were their friends or family over a difference in beliefs.

And while the new arrivals or the indigenous Children of Atom might have preached, none of them initiated the violence. Not even Tektus. None of them chased someone out of town for falling in love with someone. None of them shot someone dead because they didn't like what they heard them saying.

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

This in turn caused a division among the folk of Far Harbor.
As one native put it (Alan), "we survive together or we take the long walk together".

In the end, compromise is the best solution.

That division is more the product of intolerance than a difference in beliefs. If Allen wants people to survive together, he'd do better not shooting them, which is what lead to a radical like Tektus to gain power.

Where is there any compromise in Allen Lee's position?

[Solomon Hawk]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

Those who were already "gifted" with Atom's blessing wouldn't have had an issue with the people of Far Harbor had they not been converted. They really had no reason to join the CoA since they are perfectly capable of surviving on the island without CoA's intervention. Had they not been converted, they wouldn't have been seen any different and accepted as one of the resident "natives" of Far Harbor.

Why should they not be accepted anyway, just because they accepted a belief in something? Do they not have the right to religious freedom on their own native land?

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

It was Martin's and Tektus zealous pursuit of their belief that the entire island was gifted to them, and since they were not native to Far Harbor, they were the uninvited guests on the island. In doing so, that brought them into direct conflict with indigenous folk of Far Harbor.

The Harbourmen who joined the Children of Atom were just as indigenous as those who didn't, but that didn't stop people like Allen turning against those who were their friends or family over a difference in beliefs.

And while the new arrivals or the indigenous Children of Atom might have preached, none of them initiated the violence. Not even Tektus. None of them chased someone out of town for falling in love with someone. None of them shot someone dead because they didn't like what they heard them saying.

Of course they have a right to religious freedom (choice). But it does not condone forcing or trying to coerce others to join or convince the rest to leave. (Consider if you will, someone who you never met approaching you and attempting to convince you to leave your home because your home was gifted to them by some divine power).
As the Mother of the Fog said: "Bring them peace".
Allan lost his family to the fog and the CoA was saying it was divine providence they died. If I were Allan, that wouldn't sit well with me. I don't blame Allan for his hostility.
Avery (being the Synth) was really in no position to say he'd hang for what he did.

I recall meeting the missionary along the road to Acadia (going with Longfellow), she was not a "true" Child of Atom. She was a (an afflicted) convert. Her dialog was irritating at best. If that's any indication of what Allen was faced with, I don't blame him for shooting the missionary. That was pushing things too far for him.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

Of course they have a right to religious freedom (choice). But it doesn't not condone forcing or trying to convince the rest to leave. (Consider if you will, someone who you never met approaching you and attempting to convince you to leave your home because your home was gifted to them by some divine power).

Claiming the fog is Atom's will is one thing, and very different from taking action to actually force someone out. The only people forced from their homes were the converts amongst the Harbourmen.

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

As the Mother of the Fog said: "Bring them peace".
Allan lost his family to the fog and the CoA was saying it was divine providence they died. If I were Allan, that wouldn't sit well with me.

Allen's statement doesn't make it clear whether he's personally lost any family, just that it's happened in a general sense to the Harbourmen (he says "we" lost the people in question in this conversation including Captain Avery).

I agree there's no need to like someone saying that at all, but this isn't just about Allen getting shouting at them or even starting a fistfight. He pulled a gun, shot someone dead, and started violent hostilities that helped divide the Harbourmen.

[Solomon Hawk]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

Of course they have a right to religious freedom (choice). But it doesn't not condone forcing or trying to convince the rest to leave. (Consider if you will, someone who you never met approaching you and attempting to convince you to leave your home because your home was gifted to them by some divine power).

Claiming the fog is Atom's will is one thing, and very different from taking action to actually force someone out. The only people forced from their homes were the converts amongst the Harbourmen.

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

As the Mother of the Fog said: "Bring them peace".
Allan lost his family to the fog and the CoA was saying it was divine providence they died. If I were Allan, that wouldn't sit well with me.

Allen's statement doesn't make it clear whether he's personally lost any family, just that it's happened in a general sense to the Harbourmen (he says "we" lost the people in question in this conversation including Captain Avery).

I agree there's no need to like someone saying that at all, but this isn't just about Allen getting shouting at them or even starting a fistfight. He pulled a gun, shot someone dead, and started violent hostilities that helped divide the Harbourmen.

I must agree to an extent that Allan didn't have to pull a gun and shoot the missionary. But I tried to put myself in his shoes to understand how he might have (or must have) felt in consideration of everything that's been happening which would include the loss of my family and friends. I must admit personally that I'd be tempted enough to pull a gun and shoot someone for preaching to my face that I should or must leave. (not that I would, but I'd be awfully tempted).

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

I must agree to an extent that Allan didn't have to pull a gun and shoot the missionary. But I tried to put myself in his shoes to understand how he might have (or must have) felt in consideration of everything that's been happening which would include the loss of my family and friends. I must admit personally that I'd be tempted enough to pull a gun and shoot someone for preaching to my face that I should or must leave. (not that I would, but I'd be awfully tempted).

Someone other than Allen might still feel angry about it, but it's all one-sided with him, and that side is always looking for someone to blame, someone to punish and kill.

And it's all utterly self-centred; in the confession scene with DiMA he's enraged when DiMA takes sole responsibility for replacing Avery and asks for peace between Acadia and Far Habour to continue. To quote Allen: "Peace? You call murdering one of ours "peace"?" He's willing to murder all of Acadia over suspicion and an idea of associated guilt, but of course his own murder of a preacher is never an issue for him; his own crimes against other people just don't matter.

It's not something that will end even if Acadia and the Nucleus are gone, because the fog will still be shrouding the Island and Allen Lee (and those like him) will still be looking for someone to blame for any perceived slight or injustice done to them.

It's one of the reasons I can especially favour the "Reformation" ending, because it ends Allen's attempts to ruin everything by being a murderous jerk. Instead of getting to go on a slaughter so he can feel big and important in a world where only he matters, his murder of a preacher is eventually answered not by anything that justifies him, but by those he wronged preaching peace instead.

[pjedilord]

Why did Dima not go to RR? hard trip to far harbour.

[Lorax]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Why did Dima not go to RR? hard trip to far harbour.

Dima also does not like the railroad. Well... he thinks their heart is in the right place but that their methods are flawed, which they are. Wiping someones entire memory is basically just killing them. People aren't their bodies, they are their experiences and personality. And Bethesda only seemed to realise that after the game was out so couldn't overhaul it from the base game but could have Dima point it out in the DLC.

Also, why would he? Nothing is gained from going to see the railroad, they have nothing to offer him other than that they can direct synths to him. If you do a short little quest with the RR they send a representative to Acadia but other than that nothing much changes, unlike the brotherhood and the institute who will raid the place.