Which is better?

[WonnaBeWilson]

So i'm running a melee build, and I happened to obtain a Wounding Ripper, but I already have Throatslicer, which is better?

[BlazeD]

Wounding isn't very useful on a melee build. Stick with throatslicer for now.

[WonnaBeWilson]

ok thank you!

[BlazeD]

I don't play melee very much but in my experience you want the strongest alpha strike weapon you can find. Supersledges worked nice despite their slow ROF. The ripper, even with a good effect, kills very slowly due to the low damage. Might be good for a single baddie but if he has a friend or two you are probably dead already.

Alpha those suckers ;)

Some others here do melee alot and can probably give more/better advice.

[MoonC A T]

Originally posted by BlazeD:

Wounding isn't very useful on a melee build. Stick with throatslicer for now.

Uh...throatslicer IS wounding. Also I couldn't disagree more. Wounding is an excellent effect for melee builds

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Throatslicer

I ONLY carry the throatslicer and minigun in survival for a reason. Both are extremely effective in that mode due to the damage buffs.

[wtiger27]

I did a full melee build run on Very Hard and I found the Throat slicer to be excellent for a sneaky, multiple targets at one time using Vats. For pure what appears to be insane damage and almost always one shot kills, nothing matches Atom's Judgement. Esp if the targets are not resistant or immune to radiation.

But for survival play, it is a heavy weapon.

[MoonC A T]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

I did a full melee build run on Very Hard and I found the Throat slicer to be excellent for a sneaky, multiple targets at one time using Vats. For pure what appears to be insane damage and almost always one shot kills, nothing matches Atom's Judgement. Esp if the targets are not resistant or immune to radiation.

But for survival play, it is a heavy weapon.

Do you use "weighted" in the arm armor? I'm wondering if I'm wasting it and should be using something else.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by MoonCAT:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

I did a full melee build run on Very Hard and I found the Throat slicer to be excellent for a sneaky, multiple targets at one time using Vats. For pure what appears to be insane damage and almost always one shot kills, nothing matches Atom's Judgement. Esp if the targets are not resistant or immune to radiation.

But for survival play, it is a heavy weapon.

Do you use "weighted" in the arm armor? I'm wondering if I'm wasting it and should be using something else.

No. I am a hoarder and almost always use Pocketed or Deep pocketed for the misc on the armor. I need the extra carry weight. I even use calibrated servos on the PA's I have,

If a specific quest or area I want to farm needs a special such as explosives damage reduction, I use a PA crafted or such. Do not feel I am missing much melee damage by not using other options. The enemies die pretty quick anyway using those two melee weapons.

[no1schmo]

Rippers are awesome, even for non-melee builds, if you find one early. Possibly the single best way to deal with hordes of ferals; back into a corner and just hold the fire button, and they will just run straight into the slaughter. You will get hit once or twice but it's much safer than trying to surgically target each one. Wounding is not going to help much against hordes of weak enemies, but it will speed up your ability to tear down a stronger one, especially an armored one. Though I wouldn't really say to use a Ripper against the toughest foes.

The Throatslicer is an okay weapon and definitely a good one for Wounding to be on in theory, but I agree that you're generally better off with a heavier-hitting weapon (I know this seems to contradict what I just wrote about the Ripper, but that's like the one exception, just like how full auto weapons are generally inferior unless you find one with a good legendary part). A sledgehammer, supersledge, or even fully modified bat (with the DLC options) are your best bets--you don't want to be standing there trying to pin-prick a Deathclaw to death.

[BlazeD]

Originally posted by MoonCAT:

Wounding is an excellent effect for melee builds

No its not. It takes ten seconds for wounding to run its course, 25 points. In that time you have applied ten stabs for 20k damage(or something) killing it.

It isn't useless, but it is hardly desirable considering other options.

[Zotliatlicor]

Wounding is very very different on a regular Meele weapon like a Combat knife, compared to a Ripper. On a Ripper it is INSANE. It is a matter of ROF - Rate Of fire. Any normal meele weapon has 1 ROF pr Vats Attack or free style swing.

The Ripper is the fastes Auto Weapon there is in Meele, it is like a Machine Gun (or minigun, tommy gun etc). When you press fire, it spins up and apply the Wounding effect to EVERY attack, and that is just crazy. So you wil get hundreds of Wounding effects stacking on each other.

Alpha Death Claw ? No problem with a wounding Ripper in free play (no Vats).

I had a Staggering Ripper on a playthrough, and absolutely nothing 1 vs 1 could touch me when i put it to use. Less damage than a Wounding but the stacking Stagger effect made every opponent basically immobile.

[BlazeD]

Staggering is a great effect for a ripper. Better than wounding by a lot. It is one of the few effects that make a ripper worth taking up space in inventory.
Regardless of how fast the ripper attacks, the wounding effect takes ten seconds for a full application. If you can stand in front of a deathclaw for ten seconds then any weapon you are bringing is probably good enough.

[no1schmo]

Originally posted by BlazeD:

Staggering is a great effect for a ripper. Better than wounding by a lot. It is one of the few effects that make a ripper worth taking up space in inventory.
Regardless of how fast the ripper attacks, the wounding effect takes ten seconds for a full application. If you can stand in front of a deathclaw for ten seconds then any weapon you are bringing is probably good enough.

But you don't need 10 seconds; when you're applying it dozens or hundreds of times, you only need a few seconds. Or a few seconds and then a quick block or back-pedal to stave off like the one attack he'll get off before dying. If you can't stand in front of a deathclaw for a few seconds, pretty good chance no weapon will be good enough.

[Zotliatlicor]

Take the Wounding Ripper to Far Harbour, find one of these Crabs or Fog Crawlers with 2000 + HP and see for yourself how good it is. It is Good. After a few seconds (realtime seconds) you will see the enmy health crash toward zero in no time.

Vs a lowly human or anything regular it likely won't have a great effect, as that kind of enemy dies so fast anyways. But vs the really though ones and on the Very Hard difficulty, wounding is a great effect on any high ROF weapon, like all automatic weapons, the minigun, and the Ripper.

There are seveal wounding / bleeding slash weapons, and for those insane Stealth Builds the effect does not come into effect often. Like if you are in Sneak and get a sneak kill with the ludicrous 10 x modifier, a wounding effect is pointless.

But the Ripper is not that kind of wepon, not at all.

[ZarahNeander]

Originally posted by Zotliatlicor:

Like if you are in Sneak and get a sneak kill with the ludicrous 10 x modifier, a wounding effect is pointless.

Instead of 10350 dmg I now do 10375 dmg....outstanding!

The only problem is getting one of those puppies. Somehow rippers seem rare, I find all kind of useless stuff...hunters fatman...that will teach you, radroach, but rarely a ripper. And only staggering and wounding are useful, other legendary mods are meh.

[Zotliatlicor]

Agreed, The Wounding on a Ripper is super Rare. But it "may" happen, and "if" it does, one can have some fun at least. For a while before one goes back to the good old steady. OG, SnP etc etc.