Melee Build Help

[Ash]

I just found a legendary super sledge, called "Enraging super sledge". It says the damage is 175. I've been using General Chao's Revenge for a while now, I'm level 38. Which should I use? I'm starting to invest into sneak skills, but I wouldn't say my build is a stealth build. I'm using a VATS melee build. No power armor. Obviously the damage is higher on the sledge, but the speed is slower. What should I do?

[The Inept European]

For starters look at a turret or an NPC in VATS. See how many attacks you get with each weapon.

Multiply attacks X DMG. Compare the results.

Unless the lower DMG weapon is a LOT more than the high DMG weapon go with the high DMG weapon. Unless you are fighting robots. The Enraging effect I would say is not so much use on a melee weapon.

[Ash]

Originally posted by The Ex-ept European:

For starters look at a turret or an NPC in VATS. See how many attacks you get with each weapon.

Multiply attacks X DMG. Compare the results.

Unless the lower DMG weapon is a LOT more than the high DMG weapon go with the high DMG weapon. Unless you are fighting robots. The Enraging effect I would say is not so much use on a melee weapon.

Oh yeah, probably should've said the sword does 123 damage. Good points though, I'll check it out.

[The Inept European]

Basically if armour penetration is not a major factor use whichever one has the highest (DMG x #attacks). If armour penetration is important use whichever has the highest DMG.

[Ash]

With max AP - 3 hits in VATS with the sledge, 175 x 3 = 525.
With max AP - 5 hits in VATS with the sword, 123 x 5 = 615. <=== winner.
Got it boss, back to the sword I go. Appreciate the help!

[The Inept European]

Got it. Unless you're fighting something with DR significantly above 125 - and that isn't a robot.

[Ash]

Originally posted by The Ex-ept European:

Got it. Unless you're fighting something with DR significantly above 125 - and that isn't a robot.

Melee builds have to be the most broken builds in the game. Perks + Drugs + VATS Crit. I killed a mirelurk queen in like 4 hits with my sword. Also I have mysterious stranger, kind of a waste of a perk, unless its for big enemies, but hey it helps sometimes. My point being even high DR enemies don't stand a chance.

[MoonC A T]

Never did a melee build in all my time on FO4 but I hear the Ripper is king. Not sure if that is true or not.

[Ash]

Originally posted by MoonCAT:

Never did a melee build in all my time on FO4 but I hear the Ripper is king. Not sure if that is true or not.

The Kremvh's Tooth is by far the best melee weapon in the game. STAT wise at least. Any melee weapon is viable though, these builds are broken.

[Ash]

Originally posted by MoonCAT:

Never did a melee build in all my time on FO4 but I hear the Ripper is king. Not sure if that is true or not.

Actually you might be right, in terms of DPS. The status effects are OP on the Kremvh's Tooth. DLC melee weapons are kinda OP too, especially the Throatslicer in Nuka World

[Ash]

I switched to Grognak's Axe because the hidden effect, less AP cost in VATS. I'm getting 7 attacks off with it in VATS. 97 DMG x 7 = 679. Medium speed too.

[ZarahNeander]

Originally posted by Ash:

.....especially the Throatslicer in Nuka World

throatslicer + maxed sneak + ninja + blitz + one of the tartzan costumes == 5 digit damage numbers

[Ash]

Originally posted by ZarahNeander:

Originally posted by Ash:

.....especially the Throatslicer in Nuka World

throatslicer + maxed sneak + ninja + blitz + one of the tartzan costumes == 5 digit damage numbers

This. Probably going to go for that towards my end game.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Ash:

Originally posted by MoonCAT:

Never did a melee build in all my time on FO4 but I hear the Ripper is king. Not sure if that is true or not.

The Kremvh's Tooth is by far the best melee weapon in the game. STAT wise at least. Any melee weapon is viable though, these builds are broken.

In what way are they broken? I really enjoyed playing my melee build run and used two weapons at the end of that run. The Throat Slicer for multiple targets and Atom's Judgement for hard to kill mostly single targets. You have to perk right and still be careful, esp. On Very Hard or Survival runs. No mods.

Which is the only levels I play now. Mostly Very Hard however, as Survival has too many restrictions on stuff which makes the game less enjoyable for my taste. I do like the combat on Survival.

[Ash]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Originally posted by Ash:

The Kremvh's Tooth is by far the best melee weapon in the game. STAT wise at least. Any melee weapon is viable though, these builds are broken.

In what way are they broken? I really enjoyed playing my melee build run and used two weapons at the end of that run. The Throat Slicer for multiple targets and Atom's Judgement for hard to kill mostly single targets. You have to perk right and still be careful, esp. On Very Hard or Survival runs. No mods.

Melee builds just do stupid amounts of damage. So many things buff the damage as well, drugs, perks, food, etc. The legendary effects on most melee weapons are game changing. For example, I just cleared out 4 gunners in 2 attacks because of Big Leagues rank 4 perk, you hit everything in front of you. I'm getting 7 attacks off in VATS with Grognak's Axe because of the hidden effect which reduces AP cost in VATS. Another reason they're broken, you have an endless supply of Caps because you never need to use any ammo, or guns. So you just sell all of that along the way. I'm sitting at 12k caps at level 39. The only time I spend caps is for shipments of supplies, or legendary armor. I'm on survival difficulty as well.

EDIT - Forgot about the sneak attack multiplier as well. Ninja perk maxed out melee attacks do 10x DMG

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Ash:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

In what way are they broken? I really enjoyed playing my melee build run and used two weapons at the end of that run. The Throat Slicer for multiple targets and Atom's Judgement for hard to kill mostly single targets. You have to perk right and still be careful, esp. On Very Hard or Survival runs. No mods.

Melee builds just do stupid amounts of damage. So many things buff the damage as well, drugs, perks, food, etc. The legendary effects on most melee weapons are game changing. For example, I just cleared out 4 gunners in 2 attacks because of Big Leagues rank 4 perk, you hit everything in front of you. I'm getting 7 attacks off in VATS with Grognak's Axe because of the hidden effect which reduces AP cost in VATS. Another reason they're broken, you have an endless supply of Caps because you never need to use any ammo, or guns. So you just sell all of that along the way. I'm sitting at 12k caps at level 39. The only time I spend caps is for shipments of supplies, or legendary armor. I'm on survival difficulty as well.

EDIT - Forgot about the sneak attack multiplier as well. Ninja perk maxed out melee attacks do 10x DMG

I do not feel it is broken. Are you playing Survival or Very Hard? You do considerable more damage on Survival versus Very Hard.

In fact, on Very Hard, your char does the least amount of damage of any level play.