Do ghouls need to eat?

[The Nameless]

So we have a ghoul kid stuck in a fridge for 200 years. Non-working fridge, I might add. I doubt the casserole lasted that long. We have feral ghouls trapped in buildings from which they can't possibly have been escaping to secure a food supply. We have food supplies in these buildings which aren't locked up and which have not been consumed despite the presence of ferals.

On the other hand, we have the Duty or Dishonor Brotherhood quest, in which Initiate Clarke steals food to feed the ferals, they eat the food, they fight over the food, and they get violent when they can't access the food, demonstrating that they do eat.

I'm detecting a little bit of inconsistency here. Do they actually need food, or not? Do they just eat people because they feel hungry, but survive just fine on radiation even when there's no food? What's the deal here?

[Alucard †]

My first post here is literally just pointing out how nonsensical that quest is and discussing about ghouls needing to eat in past fallouts. Lol if you take offense to such things that's not really my problem if you can't stand that someone has different opinion.

It becomes my problem if you start acting like a child and attack me over it like you did in your replies to my posts regarding this. (Or flatout insult me over differing opinion like in previous thread)

So yea i like to see how this "i'll do my best" on your part lol

[Alucard †]

Since you still try to play victim like you think it will still get you anywhere.

[The Nameless]

Escrito originalmente por ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Since you still try to play victim like you think it will still get you anywhere.

And here you are attacking me again. Am I really supposed to get anything from this but that you want to keep fighting?

[The Inept European]

Escrito originalmente por unweptbuzzard16:

Whoever wrote the kid in a fridge quest doesn't know fallout lore, it's semi cannon. Ghouls need to eat and Ghouls need to breathe and sleep. The only cannon thing about it is that ghouls don't age.

This.

[The Inept European]

I think the general community is of the view that the Billy story is a kind of joke and it is contradicting canon as well as logic.

A kid locked in a fridge for 200 years is not a kid when they come out, even if they somehow live, they're an insane monster and mentally some kind of semi-adult.

There is canon evidence of ghouls somehow benefiting from radiation but even then they need food and particularly water.

This whole thing would have been done better if he'd been trapped in the fridge for a day. Why make it 200 years.

Even then you have the problem that a child who has not physically grown for 200 years is not really a child.

It's a nonsense story and hopefully supposed to be some kind of weird joke.

[Alucard †]

Yea also like i mentioned earlier too. Someone or something would totally notice Billy much earlier if somehow he did survive. Given the traffic near Quincy both in past and present and amount of monsters with good sense of smell lurking nearby.

[The Nameless]

Escrito originalmente por ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Its not attacking its defense. You keep dragging me throught the mud ill keep throwing that mud back at you. Simple.

Twisting my words and accusing me of things i didnt do then playing victim despite original post of mine contradicting all you say still being at the first page.

Keep attacking me and doing this ♥♥♥♥ that you do to shame me and this will never end.

An accusation that I'm "still playing the victim", after we finally seemed to have reached an understanding to leave each other alone, is not a defense.

That's like waiting until a fight is over, punching a guy in the face, and using "the best defense is a good offense" as an excuse.

Interesting that you talk about shame. I don't feel ashamed at all. If you do, well, that says something.

I'm going to bed. If there's another reply here in the morning (or whenever I decide to get up), I'll take it as a sign that you're not interested in leaving each other alone, and that your version of a grudge (and after claiming that you don't hold them) goes well beyond wanting to be rid of me.

If there isn't, then we can try leaving each other alone after all.

[Alucard †]

"Understanding" yet you still started claiming at the end of that. That my first post here was a personal attack towards you when it so painfully obvious wasn't. Good joke.

No one likes being attacked for no reason then get their words twisted over and over.

Keep doing this and this and i will keep calling you out on it. I made that perfectly clear both in this and your previous thread.

Aswell as you made it perfectly clear that you will keep doing this no matter what.
And again I repeat: I made it perfectly clear that i won't back down if you will keep doing this against me.

So good luck. Just don't cry that you want this to finally end when you just keep escalating it over and over.

I will keep defending my name the more you try to muck it and shift the blame on me.

Escrito originalmente por The Nameless:

An accusation that I'm "still playing the victim", after we finally seemed to have reached an understanding to leave each other alone, is not a defense.

It is when its shortly after you so blatantly lie again and accuse me of my first post here being a so called "personal attack" towards you and indeed you try to play victim again. I'm perfectly justified here.

So much for you wanting this to "end" you still couldn't help yourself for blaming this on me and twisting my words lmao. For second i almost believed that you wanted this to end but nah should have know better. Your obsessive grudge is still showing.

This will never end cause you don't want it to end.
And your next reply will prove this point.

If you ignore me and not reply to my surprise. Then this will be the end of it (at least untill you decide to start this again like you did here)

But nah you made it clear that you won't stop. So i await further replies with you trying to twist my words and shift the blame from yourself on me and me defending myself and calling you out on your BS.

The "Shield and spear paradox" is perfect description of this situation.

[DouglasGrave]

Escrito originalmente por The Ex-ept European:

I think the general community is of the view that the Billy story is a kind of joke and it is contradicting canon as well as logic.

A kid locked in a fridge for 200 years is not a kid when they come out, even if they somehow live, they're an insane monster and mentally some kind of semi-adult.

There is canon evidence of ghouls somehow benefiting from radiation but even then they need food and particularly water.

In regard to Billy's mental state, I go with the previous possibility that he's been mostly catatonic, neither really developing mentally nor doing much to change at all, given he's inside a fridge with no real source of mental stimulation. It may help that after 200 years he's almost certainly a stable ghoul, with his mind properly protected by the ghoulification, rather than degrading into a feral.

Regarding simple survival, it wouldn't be the first time ghouls were alleged to survive without sustenance for long periods of time, given that Coffin Willie back in Fallout 2 says (as seen in his dialogue file) that he was buried for months when you dig him out of his grave.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Coffin_Willie

[The Nameless]

Escrito originalmente por ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

"Understanding" yet you still started claiming at the end of that. That my first post here was a personal attack towards you when it so painfully obvious wasn't. Good joke.

No one likes being attacked for no reason then get their words twisted over and over.

Keep doing this and this and i will keep calling you out on it. I made that perfectly clear both in this and your previous thread.

Aswell as you made it perfectly clear that you will keep doing this no matter what.
And again I repeat: I made it perfectly clear that i won't back down if you will keep doing this against me.

So good luck. Just don't cry that you want this to finally end when you just keep escalating it over and over.

I will keep defending my name the more you try to muck it and shift the blame on me.

Escrito originalmente por The Nameless:

An accusation that I'm "still playing the victim", after we finally seemed to have reached an understanding to leave each other alone, is not a defense.

It is when its shortly after you so blatantly lie again and accuse me of my first post here being a so called "personal attack" towards you and indeed you try to play victim again. I'm perfectly justified here.

Actually you didn't read what I said correctly.

I wasn't repeating an accusation about your first attack. I didn't apologize, because at this point I would never apologize to you for ANYthing, but I did recognize that seeing it as an attack may have been my mistake.

So, in fact, you were the opposite of justified. You took something that was as close to a concession as you will ever get from me after this garbage, and turned it into a fresh excuse.

Now will you recognize that that was YOUR mistake--without apologizing either, of course, since I will never expect and am way past caring if I get an apology from you--or did you actually do this because you're enjoying this? If you really are enjoying this, then out of sheer determination, I will continue until the moderators say "a pox on both your houses" and ban us both.

[Alucard †]

Fine lets assume that wasn't your intention and i did misinterpret it.

But you jump at me again for trying to discuss something ingame or try any of your usual crap at me. Then because of your own will this will continue.

So what it will be a draw or endless battle?

[Alucard †]

Asking to make sure and i appreciate a clear answer.

[The Nameless]

Escrito originalmente por ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Fine lets assume that wasn't your intention and i did misinterpret it.

But you jump at me again for trying to discuss something ingame or try any of your usual crap at me. Then because of your own will this will continue.

So what it will be a draw or endless battle?

Yeah that's where I thought we were at, and of course everything I said to you applies to me too. If I screw up, it's on me.

Call it a draw. Or just call it an ending. Either one is fine.

[The Inept European]

Escrito originalmente por The Nameless:

Escrito originalmente por Ēarendel:

Funny that you have so much to say about me, when I don't recall ever dealing with you at all.

I think that's referring to Alucard?

But I'll keep out of it.

[The Nameless]

Escrito originalmente por The Ex-ept European:

Escrito originalmente por The Nameless:

I think that's referring to Alucard?

But I'll keep out of it.

No, you're absolutely right. I read it wrong like a flat idiot, thanks for correcting me.