Killing Father right away

[e11]

His true identity has been spoiled for me. All the same, after all the death and suffering the Institute has caused, followed by trying to be all holy and "we are the good guys" when I infiltrated their lair, and that sadistic trick with fake-Shaun, it just seemed in-character to go berserk and shoot the bastard in charge the moment he walked through the door.

Did I cheat myself out of a lot of story and gameplay? Or do the story branches account for this possibility?

[Lady Aeleanor]

Originally posted by e11:

Did I cheat myself out of a lot of story and gameplay? Or do the story branches account for this possibility?

Yes, I think you did cheat yourself out of a lot of quests and dialogue interactions. If I were you, I'd go back to a save before you killed Father. You'll see why later on in the timeline.

[Lorax]

Yes and no. The game lets you kill him and you only lose access to the two potential routes related to working within the institute. You can still go do the Brotherhood Quests if you haven't also alienated them, or the Minute Men, nothing can permanently alienate the minute men.

The thing is that the two routes you lose access to, most of the quests related to them could have been done with out cutting off access to the other endings. So if you didn't kill Father, you could have done a bunch of Railroad and Institute quests and then still decided to side with the minute man or brotherhood.

[danconnors]

Interesting approach. You need to be very heavily armed and armored--or playing on a relatively easy setting. Because I believe you'll have to fight your way out of the Institute. There are a BUNCH of synths, scientists, coursers, etc. you'll have to kill before you can make it back to the teleporter room to leave that Hellhole.

After that I "think" you may be able to pick up the Railroad's quest line, but not sure. Usually I have to wipe out the BOS and the Railroad before I can wipe out the Institute. My goal is to destroy all three of the main groups--and the Minutemen, since I never join them.

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by Lady Aeleanor:

Originally posted by e11:

Did I cheat myself out of a lot of story and gameplay? Or do the story branches account for this possibility?

Yes, I think you did cheat yourself out of a lot of quests and dialogue interactions. If I were you, I'd go back to a save before you killed Father. You'll see why later on in the timeline.

Yeah but I think this is a terrible writing error.

The totally normal reaction is to shoot this MF in the face and walk out and never come back.

The fact that half the content in the game is gated behind you NOT having this totally natural reaction, is just terrible writing.

I play that half of the game as an extended "what if" that goes against the RP values of every character I've played in this game. Including when I have played total A-holes.

[Drukaris]

killing your own son in a fit of rage, because he is not what you want him to be, isnt exactly what i would call a "normal reaction"

[777carelessguy]

Originally posted by Drukaris:

killing your own son in a fit of rage, because he is not what you want him to be, isnt exactly what i would call a "normal reaction"

Well when your son treats sentient robots as slaves what else are you supposed to do? He is a villain.

[e11]

Originally posted by Drukaris:

killing your own son in a fit of rage, because he is not what you want him to be, isnt exactly what i would call a "normal reaction"

Except the character doesn't know who Father actually is.

[Lady Aeleanor]

Originally posted by Drukaris:

killing your own son in a fit of rage, because he is not what you want him to be, isnt exactly what i would call a "normal reaction"

100% agree. After all, this IS a role-playing game.

O.P. - Put yourself in the shoes of the Sole Survivor. Would this be something they would do in that situation? I seriously doubt it.

[Drukaris]

Originally posted by e11:

Originally posted by Drukaris:

killing your own son in a fit of rage, because he is not what you want him to be, isnt exactly what i would call a "normal reaction"

Except the character doesn't know who Father actually is.

eh, thats one of the first things he says?!

[The Inept European]

The conversation reveals your son is a psychopath who has been putting you through a series of twisted sadistic experiments and who views the murder of his mother as unfortunate collateral damage. He's your son. He's also a monster.

You have NO emotional bond with the monster in front of you.

[e11]

Originally posted by Drukaris:

Originally posted by e11:

Except the character doesn't know who Father actually is.

eh, thats one of the first things he says?!

I shot him ON SIGHT. Like I said, berserk.

[Humane]

Originally posted by Drukaris:

Originally posted by e11:

Except the character doesn't know who Father actually is.

eh, thats one of the first things he says?!

Yes, but there is no proof other than his word. After seeing the fake Shaun how could you know what the truth actually is.
Is it more believable that your son is older than you are or that he is a liar. Heat of the moment thing I mean, without time to digest what's being thrown at you.

[Drukaris]

shooting an old and unarmed man, that calmly approaches you is not really a "heat of the moment" kinda thing imo

but yeah, i can see how a short tempered character might react that way ... very, very short tempered

[The Inept European]

And Shaun can't resist pulling one last double or triple mind-♥♥♥♥ on you, right at the point he first appears.

After repeatedly needlessly traumatising you and dragging you through countless needless life and death encounters to get you there. If he has a trace of empathy or humanity in him, he clearly had a death wish, and is trying to provoke you into killing him.

And the writers are definitely manipulating you into that state.

[The Inept European]

Personally I would sit down calmly, listen to his position, carefully think through everything he's said, and then shoot the evil MF in the face.

The rest of the game main story is just fake after that.