Why doesn't Vault-tec Regional HQ have a vault under it?

[Knightmage Bael]

title basically, I think its rather silly, and a potentially missed opportuniy.

I know the one in...was it Texas? Past Fallout game from a while back which resulted in the death of the administration, but regardless. I'm talking about Boston XD

[The Inept European]

Just imagine the survivor guilt!

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by GoreTiger:

Just because you work for vault-tec, doesn't mean you're privvy to what vault tecs really doing, or that they don't see you as expendable.

The Vault-Tec Rep is a perfect example of that.

So much to the fact I can not see how he had time to deliver your paperwork to be placed in the vault. Then again wtf you expect from people that think a 40,000 ton battleship can be a blimp.

Originally posted by The Ex-ept European:

No, there are NO timestamps on the pod logs which is bloody stupid because most other logs in the game have timestamps, just like most logs in the entire history of technology have timestamps, because that's what they're for, just not these ones because Todd's muppets needed cover for their super-lame COMDEX "reveal" of Ooo you're actuallly younger than your child.

Timestamps are missing because it would have been a spoiler to reveal Shaun was kidnapped sixty years prior to you waking the second time.

So it makes sense in order to preserve the story line, however it makes no sense when you apply logic to it.

Bethesda has done the same thing many times where they just left the dates off the entries. There was a few terminals in Fallout 76 that had missing timestamps.

Originally posted by Von Faustien:

the safe vaults were built as control samples to provide a baseline for the other vaults saving people was incidental to there role in the experiment

There was only a handful of these. Vault 76 was one of them.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by The Ex-ept European:

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

That's definitely wrong.

It's definitely right, and you're definitely wrong.

No, I remember specifically looking into the other pods and they were already dead.

[The Inept European]

When? When you got out of the pod, 60 years later?

[Iron Knights]

Originally posted by Archmage_Bael:

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Yeah but the vaults could be built without the experiments. In fact, some vaults were built as legitimate, long term living safe houses for groups of people. 99% of them were NOT, but a few of them were, and even some of the ones that weren't found ways to overcome that. Like that one vault you gotta bring the fusion cores to for entry.

We were not discussing OVERCOMING the experiment, but the fact that vaults were built with the sole purpose of Experimentation in mind, hence admission was FREE for Selected individuals.

[Iron Knights]

Originally posted by Archmage_Bael:

Originally posted by GoreTiger:

If you're talking about the vault in fallout 4, they didn't "find a way to overcome", Because the actual vault experiment never went through. They were intended to be unknowing test subjects but the scientists in the REAL side of the vault died because the overseer didn't allow them to carry out their experiment.

Your home vault in FO3 was. Technically vault 111 was, too, its just the institute came and ended cryostasis, then messed everything up. It wasn't the typical "live in vault" but it was designed for long term through the cryostasis experiment, which, ironically, was actually a success apart from the institute.

And that other vault was, actually. The experiment ended because the people overcame the authority of the overseer, took over, and fixed everything. Aside from the experimentation wing, which you see during that quest with the molerats, was closed off. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a number of other vaults in similar situations - overcoming the issues, opening up the vault and keeping it repaired as a long term community.

The point is, the vaults are only short term faulty experimental shelters being covered up as a habitable long term home, only because vault tec intentionally designed them that way for their nefarious purposes. You can see that if they *truly want to* they can *easily* make a durable, long lasting, habitable vault. They just CHOOSE not to, because "its not profitable" or "it doesn't meet our goals" or whatever.

Who do you think DESIGNED the vaults if not the Institute ?
You disappoint me, you are NOT the Archmage...

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Who do you think DESIGNED the vaults if not the Institute ?
You disappoint me, you are NOT the Archmage...

The Institute has time travel now as well as teleportation? They kept that secret.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Originally posted by Archmage_Bael:

Your home vault in FO3 was. Technically vault 111 was, too, its just the institute came and ended cryostasis, then messed everything up. It wasn't the typical "live in vault" but it was designed for long term through the cryostasis experiment, which, ironically, was actually a success apart from the institute.

And that other vault was, actually. The experiment ended because the people overcame the authority of the overseer, took over, and fixed everything. Aside from the experimentation wing, which you see during that quest with the molerats, was closed off. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a number of other vaults in similar situations - overcoming the issues, opening up the vault and keeping it repaired as a long term community.

The point is, the vaults are only short term faulty experimental shelters being covered up as a habitable long term home, only because vault tec intentionally designed them that way for their nefarious purposes. You can see that if they *truly want to* they can *easily* make a durable, long lasting, habitable vault. They just CHOOSE not to, because "its not profitable" or "it doesn't meet our goals" or whatever.

Who do you think DESIGNED the vaults if not the Institute ?
You disappoint me, you are NOT the Archmage...

honestly I'm disappointed the Institute didn't have a House-style survival story to tell.

[Knightmage Bael]

Yes, I know, they were designed primarily as research, but we see clearly in several circumstances long term survivability of several vaults. This is why that they could ditch the "experiment" part, and design the vault for long term survivability instead of a temporary research bunker. Except people keep throwing that last bit out and reverting to the "ya but research". They are the ones who design the vaults - they could just make a long term one themselves.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Archmage_Bael:

Yes, I know, they were designed primarily as research, but we see clearly in several circumstances long term survivability of several vaults. This is why that they could ditch the "experiment" part, and design the vault for long term survivability instead of a temporary research bunker. Except people keep throwing that last bit out and reverting to the "ya but research". They are the ones who design the vaults - they could just make a long term one themselves.

Really, that and, assuming the enclave isn't braindead, a few experiments should've ended the minute the bombs fell.

That's kindof a big plot hole. Like the ones in Curie's vault (forgot the number) who decided "let's just keep working on pathogens until it kills us because it's totally gonna benefit us out in the wasteland"

[Iron Knights]

Originally posted by Archmage_Bael:

Yes, I know, they were designed primarily as research, but we see clearly in several circumstances long term survivability of several vaults. This is why that they could ditch the "experiment" part, and design the vault for long term survivability instead of a temporary research bunker. Except people keep throwing that last bit out and reverting to the "ya but research". They are the ones who design the vaults - they could just make a long term one themselves.

Could've, should've, would've, technically, THEY DIDN'T, All Vaults were for Experiments, that's in the story, why can't you accept facts ?

[The Inept European]

Not a fact. We have no way of knowing what they didn't do. We only know part of what they did do. And they clearly could build Vaults that lasted and sustained the population.

The hotel vault in Far Harbor is a good example of a Vault simply built to preserve the lives of the rich and powerful.

[Iron Knights]

Originally posted by The Ex-ept European:

Not a fact. We have no way of knowing what they didn't do. We only know part of what they did do. And they clearly could build Vaults that lasted and sustained the population.

The hotel vault in Far Harbor is a good example of a Vault simply built to preserve the lives of the rich and powerful.

That was also a SOCIAL EXPERIMENT, did you even read the texts ???

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

You tell me...

I got a better idea.

Insults are NOT proof.
Find and link proof to prove him wrong.

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Really, that and, assuming the enclave isn't braindead, a few experiments should've ended the minute the bombs fell.

Vault Tec was still operational after the war.
Vault Tek had control vaults in Fallout New Vegas that were basically overseers for the overseers.

If you knew you lore then you would have known this.
I suggest more time reading lore than arguing and throwing insults who did read it.

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Could've, should've, would've, technically, THEY DIDN'T, All Vaults were for Experiments, that's in the story, why can't you accept facts ?

More like 95% of the vaults, the other 5% were control groups and controllers.

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Originally posted by The Ex-ept European:

We have no way of knowing what they didn't do. We only know part of what they did do. And they clearly could build Vaults that lasted and sustained the population.

The hotel vault in Far Harbor is a good example of a Vault simply built to preserve the lives of the rich and powerful.

That was also a SOCIAL EXPERIMENT, did you even read the texts ???

A "social experiment" where rich people get to ignore the consequences of the war and live forever in permanent luxury playing at whatever amuses them.

That's like the "social experiment" where I'm rich and you're poor and your life sucks and my life is great.

Some "experiment". XD