vault-tec's ultimate motive?

[theGREYjohn]

anyone with cursory knowledge of the FO series know Vault-Tec is the core of the series. we all know their vaults housed many experiments and possibly were even the catalyst of the Great War, possibly sending off the first icbm to kick off the whole shebang. but i've always wondered, to what end? just about all the vaults contain a terminal that mention VT sending an "all clear", but im very suspicious of that command. the whole reason for the existence of the vaults were to survive a nuclear holocaust. even if VT survived the bombings, who is to say there would be enough infrastructure for them to do anything with their experiment results, let alone send an all clear. up until the the bombings, resources were already scarce and the US military was sending anyone they could get their hands on to the Chinese front, so its not like the military could glean much usefulness from this data post-annihilation. and exactly *who* is VT? do they still exist? did they mutate into the Enclave? which would be weird, as the Enclave in any FO rendition dont seem to really care about the going-ons of the myriad vaults across the country. obviously, a lot of the vault experiments were doomed from the start, what knowledge could be gleaned from these disasters? to what, not fill a vault full of both recovering addicts and chems? that dabbling with FEV in an enclosed space would get everyone murdered? even the legendary Vault 101 was essentially an experiment to keep everyone in the vault, well, forever. the ♥♥♥♥ usefulness is that? as important as VT is to the FO lore, not much is known about them. anyone got some hot takes or nuanced info that might help illuminated the dark shroud that is Vault-Tec?

[Flippy]

Originally posted by theGREYjohn:

anyone with cursory knowledge of the FO series know Vault-Tec is the core of the series. we all know their vaults housed many experiments and possibly were even the catalyst of the Great War, possibly sending off the first icbm to kick off the whole shebang. but i've always wondered, to what end? just about all the vaults contain a terminal that mention VT sending an "all clear", but im very suspicious of that command. the whole reason for the existence of the vaults were to survive a nuclear holocaust. even if VT survived the bombings, who is to say there would be enough infrastructure for them to do anything with their experiment results, let alone send an all clear. up until the the bombings, resources were already scarce and the US military was sending anyone they could get their hands on to the Chinese front, so its not like the military could glean much usefulness from this data post-annihilation. and exactly *who* is VT? do they still exist? did they mutate into the Enclave? which would be weird, as the Enclave in any FO rendition dont seem to really care about the going-ons of the myriad vaults across the country. obviously, a lot of the vault experiments were doomed from the start, what knowledge could be gleaned from these disasters? to what, not fill a vault full of both recovering addicts and chems? that dabbling with FEV in an enclosed space would get everyone murdered? even the legendary Vault 101 was essentially an experiment to keep everyone in the vault, well, forever. the ♥♥♥♥ usefulness is that? as important as VT is to the FO lore, not much is known about them. anyone got some hot takes or nuanced info that might help illuminated the dark shroud that is Vault-Tec?

Seeing someone rewrite the story is annoying.

Almost every comment made on this forum is wrong.

Most say that the war was getting into the Far East but thats wrong, the opposite was happening as shown in the game. Even then that is most likely misunderstood some are so dumb.

The topic says they were sending everyone to the war but the fact is the Survivor wasnt at the front for a year and had been brought back.

Everyone knew the war was getting bad though as shown in the game.

Its like some totally make up the story out of nothing and use Vault-Tec and such names to make it seem like its about Fallout.



When it comes to Vault-Tec the first Vaults were to save people, but during construction the leadership was captured by aliens and all the vaults built after that were converted to wipe out anyone in them. Vaults like Vault 81 in Fallout 4 survived because Vault-Tec employees refused.

In Fallout 4 Vaut-Tec offices the boss even said he may have to off employees that didnt go along or asked to many questions.

In Fallout 4 Vault-Tec employees were literally killing each other trying to save Vaults or not. Its in the game clearly more than once. Although many employees were just ignorant and trying to deal with the lies and mixed signals and all the fighting from that to.

Anyway its a big story and this forum gets it almost entirely wrong without exception and its tough to keep up. :)

[Mellie64]

always thought the presidency or vault tec was in error of this or behind this.. hmmm makes since

[The Inept European]

Very good questions.

My guess is that they intended to manipulate war paranoia to increase their hold over the government and increase their scientific knowledge through multiple unethical experiments, and keep pushing it to the edge, since that all played into their hands, but didn't intend to initiate Armageddon, as that would not be a rational decision for any corporation or even any group of elites.

On the other hand if they believed war was inevitable then maybe they were arranging to be in the strongest position personally, after the bombs dropped, though we don't see much evidence of that apart from Enclave/Vault-Tec links (Also that robobrain vault in Far Harbor hints at the idea).

Maybe they were just making the best (worst?) of the crisis situation and had no long term game plan beyond hoping the bombs didn't drop and accruing as much as money and power in the meantime. Which would pretty much describe the whole military-industrial complex of the real world during the real Cold War.

[vine]

Vaults never were meant to save anyone, really. VTec simply wanted to perform twisted experiments. Why? Because they can. Why are there instructions and All clear command? Because it would make it look legit "save the nation".
Who dropped the bombs first? Unclear, unknown. Fallout4 however leans heavily to suggest VTec started with bomb drop on homeland to provoke US to launch it all, and China in return. EpicNate has a video suggesting VTec wanted to go to space, and for that they wanted to attract attention of Aliens, and for that they nuked Earth? Not much sense there, honestly, hard to digest.
In the original Fallout and Fallout 2 it may be suggested that the US started with the nukes, because they were losing badly, even with PA. Then we have F3 and Anchorage and all the Bethesda retcons.
Simply put you won't find a definitive answer to the purpose of Vaults and who started the Great war, nowadays all that is under heavy dust and nobody in Bet cares. They go their own THow way.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Vault Tec was just the company that government hired to build vaults. The program was underfunded but they managed to create some vaults. Some vaults were for saving lives, and others were meant to run experiement that would benefit the greater society once the Enclave was ready to rebuild.

The Enclave existed from before the war. Think of them as the Illuminati, they were the group that had planned for such world ending events and were determined to rebuild the world in their image once the pieces were put back together. They were a secret society who infilatrated various parts of the government and large corporation like VT.

The experiments were likely their idea. The Enclave doesn't view human lives as being worth anything, a means to an end if you will. Vault 95 dealing with addiction does seem pointless until you consider that one of the major problems with normal society is that there's huge drug problems. Vault 95 experiment went wrong and the Vault Agent died so the experiments could be continued.

Some things that might help. Vault 0.

This is the Vault from Fallout Tactics. It's known as the centered of all Vaults. It housed the greatest military minds, politicians and scientists all with there brains extracted and hooked up to a giant computer known as the Calculator. This is the vault that would of helped retake the wastelands, instead underfunding caused them to cut corners and as a result the computers were corrupted causing the Vault to seek to exterminate anyone not born in a vault (and thus having mutated somewhat in the nuclear war). In Tactics you blow up this vault.

As for the All Clear. Not all Vaults were meant to survive til the end of the nuclear fallout. There are evidence of these throughout the entire series. These vaults usually have elevators instead of giant vault doors. They're usually smaller, and don't have more then a few beds.

[Von Faustien]

van braun would have revealed the vaults and expiriments were part of a failed long term enclave plan to leave earth via a space ship and colonize another planet in the event of nuclear war. the data from the experiments was meant to show how best to run a closed population on a generation ship without failure as it was one shot deal.

the nukes hit before the enclave was ready and ship was abandoned leading to the fev plots in 1 and 2. but the vault experiment was already set up and started anyway. odds are they would have faked a alarm to fill the vaults and get the data than used the intact USA to build the space arch had things worked as planed.

this is from a game that wasnt finished so take it with a grain of salt because it might not be where bethesda goes with it. that said this was the offical interplay motive behind vault tech in the games

[vine]

Originally posted by Von Faustien:

van braun

is meant to be Van Buren, and yes this is correct. Colonization of other worlds, vaults were the studies of behaviour in long term isolations.

[Von Faustien]

Originally posted by vine:

Originally posted by Von Faustien:

van braun

is meant to be Van Buren, and yes this is correct. Colonization of other worlds, vaults were the studies of behaviour in long term isolations.

Sorry my brain see's the name it a defaults to the nazi rocket scientist and nasa founder and not the D list president.

[DouglasGrave]

Generally speaking, the vaults were a way to secretly perform unethical experiments on people (including the control vaults, which are there to provide a scientific control group to compare to the experiments).

The exact reasons for them seem a bit mixed, and more like a lot of different interests were being served. Life on other planets seems a significant one, but others resemble secret military testing, or serve personal agendas. And at least a little bit of genuine intent to survive a nuclear apocalypse.

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Mr. Snow ☯:

Vault Tec was just the company that government hired to build vaults. The program was underfunded but they managed to create some vaults. Some vaults were for saving lives, and others were meant to run experiement that would benefit the greater society once the Enclave was ready to rebuild.

The Enclave existed from before the war. Think of them as the Illuminati, they were the group that had planned for such world ending events and were determined to rebuild the world in their image once the pieces were put back together. They were a secret society who infilatrated various parts of the government and large corporation like VT.

The experiments were likely their idea. The Enclave doesn't view human lives as being worth anything, a means to an end if you will. Vault 95 dealing with addiction does seem pointless until you consider that one of the major problems with normal society is that there's huge drug problems. Vault 95 experiment went wrong and the Vault Agent died so the experiments could be continued.

Some things that might help. Vault 0.

This is the Vault from Fallout Tactics. It's known as the centered of all Vaults. It housed the greatest military minds, politicians and scientists all with there brains extracted and hooked up to a giant computer known as the Calculator. This is the vault that would of helped retake the wastelands, instead underfunding caused them to cut corners and as a result the computers were corrupted causing the Vault to seek to exterminate anyone not born in a vault (and thus having mutated somewhat in the nuclear war). In Tactics you blow up this vault.

As for the All Clear. Not all Vaults were meant to survive til the end of the nuclear fallout. There are evidence of these throughout the entire series. These vaults usually have elevators instead of giant vault doors. They're usually smaller, and don't have more then a few beds.

Yes they were meant to save pople to begin with and the first Vaults being good and the Pipboy is the proof.

Vault 111 and the entire story that plays out there is very relevant to this topic.

Basically Vault 111 Vault Tec employees ended up fighting it out and some escaped, while some tried to keep everyone in until none, including employees, were left.

Vault 81 the Vault Tec employees fought it out with each other as well, but saving that Vault.

Have to know Fallout 3 and the synths in that game and the alien ships orbiting the Earth to know what Fallout 4 is about. As well as previous games.

[theGREYjohn]

i have a tough time connecting the Enclave with Vault-Tec wholly because there are plenty of vaults that the Enclave has largely left abandoned, though they couldve still been monitored, in more than one game, the PC goes and retrieves very useful items (and sometimes super mutant) from them. and then you have the BoS, which has been snatching up old military equipment (power armor, vertibirds, Liberty Prime), which you would think the Enclave would have better control of, if it is considered the mastermind behind Vault-Tec. if you cant maintain your inventory, how are you going to manage to make it to space?and yeah, the Enclave has the X-01 PA suits and assorted plasma weaponry, but that is so few in numbers, what can you really hope to achieve? (losing their oil rig and Raven Rock are cases in point). im not saying anyone is wrong, and it just might be one of those plot holes that occurs after an IP gets so old and stretched out. but the biggest hurdle for me is the Mars Shot Project (https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Mars_Shot_Project). despite the space program making great strides and showing promise, it is ultimately side-lined by military need. if the Enclave was so space heady, why allow the MSP to wither away? if the Master has time and resources for FEV, why not revive the space project? hell, somebody had time to retrofit four rockets (albeit, from a different manufactuer) to the USS Constituition, why not go to space? seems like every old project from the Old World is pumping *except* going to space. hell, you got all of Big MT virtually untouched! is the Enclave afraid of a few ROBOSCORPIONS (and one giant one)!!??

[Iron Knights]

THE WAY I SEE IT IS THIS - Having the vaults were not about saving the population but about future experimentation on people, using a nuclear war as an excuse to shove people into their rat mazes, even if said war was FAKED. Thus "the clear" signal, even though they expected a false alarm, they got the real deal.

[Iron Knights]

What, they censor the word F.A.K.E. now ???

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

What, they censor the word F.A.K.E. now ???

I don't think it affects the word all by itself, only its extended forms, like -ed, or -ing.

I can only guess that maybe someone was using those as a substitute for some similar-sounding words.

[Iron Knights]

Sorry to burst your 1950 sci-fi illusion also, but rockets cannot possibly function in space, against the laws of physics. Nothing to push against, no way to propel, one giant rocket space fart. Assuming somehow you reached 0 atmosphere.