Is it me,or are synths really easy to detect when you think of it

[Honor Guard]

It seems they would be rather easy to check for using anything from simple going under the knife to more advanced like X rays,metal detectors and such (we know they have extra parts than a normal human at the very least)

[DouglasGrave]

The only part that's known to be visibly different to a regular human is the synth component, which doesn't appear in all synths (or even all Gen 3 synths), and whose only known material is plastic. Their synthetic flesh is otherwise identical in appearance to a regular human.

Early Gen 3 prototypes had mechanical innards, and the Gen 1 and Gen 2 synths you can identify just by looking at them, but proper Gen 3 synths are immensely hard to identify.

[GoreTiger]

When you go to the institute, You learn that there are many ways to detect a synth.

-Synths don't HAVE to sleep. They are programmed to sleep to fit in.

Synths DON'T gain weight. They keep the weight they were created with.


Synths DON'T actually age.


With this information there are many ways you can create a plan to detect synths. The easiest way is to simply create some sort of metal detecting device that could detect synth components inside synths.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by KrayToast:

When you go to the institute, You learn that there are many ways to detect a synth.

-Synths don't HAVE to sleep. They are programmed to sleep to fit in.

Synths DON'T gain weight. They keep the weight they were created with.


Synths DON'T actually age.


With this information there are many ways you can create a plan to detect synths. The easiest way is to simply create some sort of metal detecting device that could detect synth components inside synths.

Testing for weight is unreliable, since it's obscured by variations in metabolism, and no surface-dwellers are doing the sort of long-term studies that would reveal it anyway (even the Compound isn't keeping synths long-term, so the only people who know about it are in the Institute). Age poses a similar problem, since testing it requires very long-term studies that the wasteland world isn't really equipped to conduct. Sleep, of course, is going to be near-impossible to test if the synth decides to fake it, which they will if they're trying not to be discovered.

As I mentioned, the only known material in synth components is plastic, and many synths appear to not have one, so there's no reliability in that test, either.

[MV75]

With the sleep test you monitor them to see if they go into rem level of sleep, (dreaming).

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They should of used dogs like in Terminator films but u know ''da writting is bad '' .

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by MV75:

With the sleep test you monitor them to see if they go into rem level of sleep, (dreaming).

A conversation about synths dreaming within the Institute's robotic division suggests that they have that anyway, it requires more advanced equipment to test properly, and there are regular humans who have abnormal REM patterns as well.

Originally posted by nd:

They should of used dogs like in Terminator films but u know ''da writting is bad '' .

The terminators they were detecting had substantial metal components inside them anyway, so its unclear whether or not that would work on Gen 3 synths.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by KrayToast:

When you go to the institute, You learn that there are many ways to detect a synth.

-Synths don't HAVE to sleep. They are programmed to sleep to fit in.

Synths DON'T gain weight. They keep the weight they were created with.


Synths DON'T actually age.


With this information there are many ways you can create a plan to detect synths. The easiest way is to simply create some sort of metal detecting device that could detect synth components inside synths.

Testing for weight is unreliable, since it's obscured by variations in metabolism, and no surface-dwellers are doing the sort of long-term studies that would reveal it anyway (even the Compound isn't keeping synths long-term, so the only people who know about it are in the Institute). Age poses a similar problem, since testing it requires very long-term studies that the wasteland world isn't really equipped to conduct. Sleep, of course, is going to be near-impossible to test if the synth decides to fake it, which they will if they're trying not to be discovered.

As I mentioned, the only known material in synth components is plastic, and many synths appear to not have one, so there's no reliability in that test, either.

Not really.

When it comes to testing about weight, All they have to do is force feed whoever they suspect tobe a synth a bunch of Gluttonous food, Like snack cakes, And monitor how their body Processes it. Regardless of your metabolism if you go a week of eating nothing but junk food, You're going to gain a couple pounds. They can also monitor the exact way their metabolism handles the excess of food and suger. The Human body always holds on to a little bit of fat, but if their body is expelling ALL fat Everytime, then thats a red flag.


Sleep is another thing. They can simply keep the subject awake for 48-72 hours and monitor their body to see how it effects them. And even if they do fake the sleep, Things like Rem sleep and the way their body reacts while sleeping is likely different for a synth than a Human. If you keep someone up for 72 hours, they say their tired, But their body shows no signs of Fatigue or Medical signs of strain, That's another red flag.


On the aging thing, You can test how old someone is by multple factors. The lining of their stomach, Their skin, Their very DNA. Even hair Folocules. If someone says their 50, But their body is giving off the signs of being a fresh regenerating 18yr olds, Thats the final red flag.


Put all these tests together, And it's a 99% chance you have a synth on your hands. The final test would be to do something Like an Xray of the suspects head to see if there is a Synth component on their brain.

[bunny de fluff]

I mean what the hell is synth component? If you can put together a synth piece by piece like in the robotic room in the Institute, then why the hell you need a synth component for? It is basically a human already, it's not like you can control it with that one synth component, and again what the hell is that thing if the whole body is put together one fiber at a time like a real human?

[bunny de fluff]

The no sleep need, and the no weight gain, can all be archived by genetic engineering at least in theory, so they become better human, so everything was hard coded in every cell of them body, which begs the question what is the need for a separate "synth component" ?

[HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits]

Originally posted by bunny de fluff:

The no sleep need, and the no weight gain, can all be archived by genetic engineering at least in theory, so they become better human, so everything was hard coded in every cell of them body, which begs the question what is the need for a separate "synth component" ?

Synth compionet is neede to PROGRAM them. If you leave that out while making synth, you can control it.... You cant program memories or wipeout it mind/use recall code...

Edit I forgot T so can it Cant

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by KrayToast:

When it comes to testing about weight, All they have to do is force feed whoever they suspect tobe a synth a bunch of Gluttonous food, Like snack cakes, And monitor how their body Processes it. Regardless of your metabolism if you go a week of eating nothing but junk food, You're going to gain a couple pounds. They can also monitor the exact way their metabolism handles the excess of food and suger. The Human body always holds on to a little bit of fat, but if their body is expelling ALL fat Everytime, then thats a red flag.

Gaining wait isnn't actually a given over such a short time scale, nor is it clear exactly why synths aren't gaining weight, in addition to the difficulty of accounting for the weight of food retained in the gut, or its processing by bacteria. There are a lot of potentially confounding variables involved that make it an unreliable test, in addition to not providing quick results.

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Sleep is another thing. They can simply keep the subject awake for 48-72 hours and monitor their body to see how it effects them. And even if they do fake the sleep, Things like Rem sleep and the way their body reacts while sleeping is likely different for a synth than a Human. If you keep someone up for 72 hours, they say their tired, But their body shows no signs of Fatigue or Medical signs of strain, That's another red flag.

We do not know whether synths avoid fatigue or strain entirely (especially since part of the benefit of sleep includes physical relaxation of the body) or whether they can fake those signs,, and regular humans aren't consistent in their own behaviour regarding REM sleep and sleep reactions.

Originally posted by KrayToast:

On the aging thing, You can test how old someone is by multple factors. The lining of their stomach, Their skin, Their very DNA. Even hair Folocules. If someone says their 50, But their body is giving off the signs of being a fresh regenerating 18yr olds, Thats the final red flag.

Yes, you can test current age, but synths are not all one specific age.

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Put all these tests together, And it's a 99% chance you have a synth on your hands. The final test would be to do something Like an Xray of the suspects head to see if there is a Synth component on their brain.

What you've got are a few generalized profiling techniques that suggest possible abnormalities, which wouldn't be reliable even in a real-world human, let alone one exposed to the Fallout world's widespread radiation.

They don't really help narrow things down even as a collective, since they all measure biological fundaments that could readily be different due to a common baseline condition. Take a person with a sickly metabolic state (as many may be in the irradiated post-apocalyptic world), and that same person having poor sleep patterns and abnormal aging signs wouldn't prove that they were a synth, just that they were unwell.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by bunny de fluff:

I mean what the hell is synth component? If you can put together a synth piece by piece like in the robotic room in the Institute, then why the hell you need a synth component for? It is basically a human already, it's not like you can control it with that one synth component, and again what the hell is that thing if the whole body is put together one fiber at a time like a real human?

We are not told its specific function, though it may have some utility related to the Molecular Relay, since it appears basically identical to the courser chip and doesn't appear in all Gen 3 synths, but turns up much more frequently in those outside the Institute than those within it.

[bunny de fluff]

Originally posted by HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits:

Synth compionet is neede to PROGRAM them. If you leave that out while making synth, you can control it.... You cant program memories or wipeout it mind/use recall code...

Edit I forgot T so can it Cant

Let me rephrase it. When you can put together a human-like robot from scratch, what is the need to put synth component like that, I mean your technology is already so advanced you can put whatever inside the synth component inside every single tissue of the robot already, and putting a synth component there is like the easy solution of letting the player know who is the synth, but if you really think about it , the idea of getting such thing as synth component from the corpse of such high tec humanoid robot just so that you as the player can distinguish them is completely illogical.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by KrayToast:

When it comes to testing about weight, All they have to do is force feed whoever they suspect tobe a synth a bunch of Gluttonous food, Like snack cakes, And monitor how their body Processes it. Regardless of your metabolism if you go a week of eating nothing but junk food, You're going to gain a couple pounds. They can also monitor the exact way their metabolism handles the excess of food and suger. The Human body always holds on to a little bit of fat, but if their body is expelling ALL fat Everytime, then thats a red flag.

Gaining wait isnn't actually a given over such a short time scale, nor is it clear exactly why synths aren't gaining weight, in addition to the difficulty of accounting for the weight of food retained in the gut, or its processing by bacteria. There are a lot of potentially confounding variables involved that make it an unreliable test, in addition to not providing quick results.

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Sleep is another thing. They can simply keep the subject awake for 48-72 hours and monitor their body to see how it effects them. And even if they do fake the sleep, Things like Rem sleep and the way their body reacts while sleeping is likely different for a synth than a Human. If you keep someone up for 72 hours, they say their tired, But their body shows no signs of Fatigue or Medical signs of strain, That's another red flag.

We do not know whether synths avoid fatigue or strain entirely (especially since part of the benefit of sleep includes physical relaxation of the body) or whether they can fake those signs,, and regular humans aren't consistent in their own behaviour regarding REM sleep and sleep reactions.

Originally posted by KrayToast:

On the aging thing, You can test how old someone is by multple factors. The lining of their stomach, Their skin, Their very DNA. Even hair Folocules. If someone says their 50, But their body is giving off the signs of being a fresh regenerating 18yr olds, Thats the final red flag.

Yes, you can test current age, but synths are not all one specific age.

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Put all these tests together, And it's a 99% chance you have a synth on your hands. The final test would be to do something Like an Xray of the suspects head to see if there is a Synth component on their brain.

What you've got are a few generalized profiling techniques that suggest possible abnormalities, which wouldn't be reliable even in a real-world human, let alone one exposed to the Fallout world's widespread radiation.

They don't really help narrow things down even as a collective, since they all measure biological fundaments that could readily be different due to a common baseline condition. Take a person with a sickly metabolic state (as many may be in the irradiated post-apocalyptic world), and that same person having poor sleep patterns and abnormal aging signs wouldn't prove that they were a synth, just that they were unwell.

- The Synths don't gain wait because of the way they're bodies are made, in addition to the Synth Component controlling their metabolism.

And this is something you can test after every meal to simply see how their bodies process the food. If their thyroid sends out the right chemicals and so forth.


- From what we've learned of synths their bodies don't actually get tired. at least not like Humans do. Like I said if you keep someone up for 72hrs and their bodies don't show clear signs of fatigue then that is a red flag.There are multiple things you can test for this. Elevated heart rate, blood pressure, Light sensititvity. Multiple things.


-They aren't one specific age. But like I said if they claim to be a certain age, yet their genes are telling a completely different story, then their lying.

Also another way you can tell is if the persons Body has replaced itself. Things like recycling the lining of their stomach or their skin and so forth. These are things to test for and I'd be willing to bet that Synths don't have this function since everything about them is artificial.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by KrayToast:

- The Synths don't gain wait because of the way they're bodies are made, in addition to the Synth Component controlling their metabolism.

And this is something you can test after every meal to simply see how their bodies process the food. If their thyroid sends out the right chemicals and so forth.


- From what we've learned of synths their bodies don't actually get tired. at least not like Humans do. Like I said if you keep someone up for 72hrs and their bodies don't show clear signs of fatigue then that is a red flag.There are multiple things you can test for this. Elevated heart rate, blood pressure, Light sensititvity. Multiple things.

We know they don't need to sleep, not whether there are any signs of fatigue or that resemble fatigue. Given the Compound's existence and relative disregard for the wellbeing of its test subjects, it's very likely that this line of identification has already been explored without result.

Originally posted by KrayToast:

-They aren't one specific age. But like I said if they claim to be a certain age, yet their genes are telling a completely different story, then their lying.

Also another way you can tell is if the persons Body has replaced itself. Things like recycling the lining of their stomach or their skin and so forth. These are things to test for and I'd be willing to bet that Synths don't have this function since everything about them is artificial.

If they claim to be a certain age, the Institute is likely to have engineered them to suit. There's also a certain amount of variation between a regular person's biological age (as reflected by their genetic state) and the amount of time they've actually lived.

Replacing itself is definitely not reliable, since synths do heal when injured, and are capable of digesting food, and presumably passing waste, and carrying out most other biological functions. Despite being synthetic, they're very close approximations of regular humans.