Horizon Load Order Help

[Ubnoxious]

I don't know what I am doing wrong. The CTDs do not happen in the same location. Sometimes I will be going in/out of a location, other times I am accessing a workbench. I have read the Horizon forum and mod description many many times. Stayed away from mods that are not compatible or do not have a patch. First I installed all the mods that were not Horizon nor Horizon patches, then I ran loot, next installed Horizon, followed by all the patches. Finally I moved all the patches above DEFUI.ESP. I have tried organizing the mods above Horizon in many different orders. Mainly from guides I find on here, reddit or youtube. Below is my current load order, any help would be appreciated.

1. Fallout4.esm=1
   
2. DLCRobot.esm=1
   
3. DLCWorkshop01.esm=1
   
4. DLCCoast.esm=1
   
5. DLCWorkshop02.esm=1
   
6. DLCWorkshop03.esm=1
   
7. DLCNukaWorld.esm=1
   
8. Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp=1
   
9. ArmorKeywords.esm=1
   
10. HUDFramework.esm=1
    
11. SettlementKeywords.esm=1
    
12. Homemaker.esm=1
    
13. SimSettlements.esm=1
    
14. TrueStormsFO4.esm=1
    
15. Vivid Fallout - All in One - Best Choice.esp=1
    
16. UltraInteriorLighting.esp=1
    
17. UltraInteriorLighting_Automatron.esp=1
    
18. BostonFPSFixAIO.esp=1
    
19. Armorsmith Extended.esp=1
    
20. Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp=1
    
21. LooksMenu.esp=1
    
22. LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp=1
    
23. KSHairdos.esp=1
    
24. Lots More Facial Hair.esp=1
    
25. Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp=1
    
26. AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp=1
    
27. 3DNPC_FO4.esp=1
    
28. dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp=1
    
29. dD - Limited Blood Decals.esp=1
    
30. dD - Small Splatter Size.esp=1
    
31. Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp=1
    
32. Eli Armor Compendium AE Patch.esp=1
    
33. Mercenary.esp=1
    
34. 3dscopes.esp=1
    
35. 3dscopes-AddToSpawnList.esp=1
    
36. 3dscopes-framework.esp=1
    
37. 3dscopes-FarHarbor.esp=1
    
38. 3dscopes-NukaWorld.esp=1
    
39. My_Minutemen.esp=1
    
40. BetterSettlers.esp=1
    
41. BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp=1
    
42. IncreasedSettlerPopulation30.esp=1
    
43. Live Dismemberment - BrutalNoHeadshots.esp=1
    
44. Live Dismemberment - LiebermodeNoHeadshots.esp=1
    
45. Live Dismemberment - RegularNoHeadshots.esp=1
    
46. QuickTrade.esp=1
    
47. StartMeUp.esp=1
    
48. console.esp=1
    
49. The Eyes Of Beauty.esp=1
    
50. Homemaker - Bunker Disabler.esp=1
    
51. SalvageBeacons.esp=1
    
52. SSEX.esp=1
    
53. SimSettlements_XPAC_IndustrialRevolution.esp=1
    
54. SimSettlements_XPAC_RiseOfTheCommonwealth.esp=1
    
55. SimSettlements_AddOnPack_Defences_Brae.esp=1
    
56. IndustrialCity_Sim_Settlements_Addon.esp=1
    
57. SimSettlements_MegaPack_YearOne.esp=1
    
58. WVSimSAddon.esp=1
    
59. TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp=1
    
60. Z_Architect.esp=1
    
61. Z_Horizon.esp=1
    
62. Z_Horizon_DLC_All.esp=1
    
63. Z_Horizon_Patch_Architect.esp=1
    
64. AK74M.esp=1
    
65. LovingCait.esp=1
    
66. 9x39project.esp=1
    
67. RU556.esp=1
    
68. Z_Horizon_Patch_SimSettlements.esp=1
    
69. BS-Horizon-Patch.esp=1
    
70. EAC-Horizon-Patch.esp=1
    
71. 3DCS-NW-Horizon-Patch.esp=1
    
72. SB-Horizon-Patch.esp=1
    
73. MM-Horizon-Patch.esp=1
    
74. Z_Horizon_WeaponPack01.esp=1
    
75. DPAssaultCarbine.esp=1
    
76. DPAssaultCarbineNukaWorld.esp=1
    
77. SCAR-L.esp=1
    
78. Patch - Horizon - Tales from the Commonwealth.esp=1
    
79. Z_Horizon_Patch_ArmorsmithExtended.esp=1
    
80. AD_Horizon-Mercenary_Patch.esp=1
    
81. Z_Horizon_Patch_Homemaker.esp=1
    
82. Z_Horizon_Patch_ArmorsmithExtendedDLC.esp=1
    
83. Z_Horizon_DEFUI.esp=1
    
84. Z_CameraAddon.esp=1
    
85. Z_BlurRemoval.esp=1

[raubrey]

I'm pretty sure StartMe_Up should be last.
Also you might take a look at the order of my patches...
Armorsmith, SimSettlements etc. We have some similarities in mods.

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm

7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

8 8 HUDFramework.esm
9 9 SimSettlements.esm

10 a ArmorKeywords.esm
11 b Homemaker.esm
(disabled) More Where That Came From Diamond City.esp
12 c FO4Hotkeys.esp
13 d CLO - Custom Lighting Overlay.esp
14 e Z_Horizon.esp
15 f BetterSettlers.esp
16 10 BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp
17 11 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
18 12 Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp
19 13 Z_Horizon_Patch_Homemaker.esp
20 14 Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp
21 15 Armorsmith Extended.esp
22 16 Z_Horizon_DLC_Automatron.esp
23 17 Z_Horizon_DLC_Nuka.esp
24 18 Z_Horizon_DLC_FarHarbor.esp
25 19 Armorsmith All DLCs Patch.esp
26 1a Z_Architect.esp
27 1b Z_Horizon_DLC_Workshop01.esp
28 1c Z_Horizon_DLC_Workshop02.esp
29 1d Z_Horizon_DLC_Workshop03.esp
30 1e Z_Horizon_Patch_Architect.esp
31 1f Z_Horizon_Diff_Novice.esp
32 20 Z_Horizon_DEFUI.esp
33 21 Z_Horizon_Patch_ArmorsmithExtended.esp
34 22 Z_BlurRemoval.esp
35 23 Z_Horizon_Patch_ArmorsmithExtendedDLC.esp
36 24 Z_CameraAddon.esp
37 25 Z_Horizon_Patch_SimSettlements.esp
38 26 CheatTerminal.esp
39 27 Campsite.esp
40 28 TheMobileMechanic.esp
41 29 Blues Radio DBR.esp
42 2a StartMeUp.esp

[Ubnoxious]

I will give this a try. I have not tried the start me up dead last. I normally have it just above architect. I assumed horizon would need to be last with how much it changed. Thank you for quick reply and ill update as soon as I know. Like the post said its not a specific spot it CTD.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by Ubnoxious:

I will give this a try. I have not tried the start me up dead last. I normally have it just above architect. I assumed horizon would need to be last with how much it changed. Thank you for quick reply and ill update as soon as I know. Like the post said its not a specific spot it CTD.

You'll probably need to move a few others too...SimSettlements/HUD/Armor at top with Sim/Armor patches near bottom. Def_UI where I have it thereabouts.

Companions and graphical changes etc. probably in the middle but someone else can pitch in maybe.

Good luck.

[Ubnoxious]

Originally posted by raubrey:

Originally posted by Ubnoxious:

I will give this a try. I have not tried the start me up dead last. I normally have it just above architect. I assumed horizon would need to be last with how much it changed. Thank you for quick reply and ill update as soon as I know. Like the post said its not a specific spot it CTD.

You'll probably need to move a few others too...SimSettlements/HUD/Armor at top with Sim/Armor patches near bottom. Def_UI where I have it thereabouts.

Companions and graphical changes etc. probably in the middle but someone else can pitch in maybe.

Good luck.

Could you explain why you put everything below horizon.esp? In the mod description it specifically says to not do this. Im decent with computers just not modding, any info to help my knowledge base would be great.

[raubrey]

Sorry. Loot did this argh. Let me get the right order from plugins.txt

[Ubnoxious]

Originally posted by raubrey:

Sorry. Loot did this argh. Let me get the right order from plugins.txt

Its all good. Took your advice and changed a bunch around. Hopefully it works, ill update the post if it does.

[raubrey]

Well I must have hit apply and couldn't get a copy out of NMM of my original order. Apparently I've been running like this just fine.