Question about interactions with Children of Atom **Spoilers**

[fake (rat)]

When I say....interactions....I mean murdering the Zealots at the front door.

I went and drunk from the totally-not-poison spring, blah blah I'm the chosen one come inside, but I noticed Longfellow hated me agreeing to join. Did I do something wrong? Was there another choice? Thought I had to join to get Dima's memories!

And they had the reacon armor which was a pretty damn substantial upgrade to my current setup, so....yeah I killed all Richter and the other guards.

Am I robbing myself of loot and quests/gameplay/lore? Is there a way to get inside and not be buddy buddy wink wink with them?

I already joined the BoS exclusively for the power armor and bartering opprotunities, I'm not really in the mood to hook up with some more unsavory people just so I can get certain items/reach certain parts of the game.

[Simpson3k]

Originally posted by sirbubbles:

When I say....interactions....I mean murdering the Zealots at the front door.

I went and drunk from the totally-not-poison spring, blah blah I'm the chosen one come inside, but I noticed Longfellow hated me agreeing to join. Did I do something wrong? Was there another choice? Thought I had to join to get Dima's memories!

And they had the reacon armor which was a pretty damn substantial upgrade to my current setup, so....yeah I killed all Richter and the other guards.

Am I robbing myself of loot and quests/gameplay/lore? Is there a way to get inside and not be buddy buddy wink wink with them?

I already joined the BoS exclusively for the power armor and bartering opprotunities, I'm not really in the mood to hook up with some more unsavory people just so I can get certain items/reach certain parts of the game.

So you prefer to follow the BOS agenda instead of blowing up everything that isnt entirly following the path of the BOS? Great then get the key and blow up the submarines reactor after your murdered your way through their sanctuary. As long as you can find a reason for mass murder its justified, no? XD

Why should one howl with the wolfs to get access and search for a peacefull solution if one can simple blow everything up, hm? :)

Well in all honest i did right that in my first far harbor playthrough short after its release... only in the last one i went the most unviolant path..

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by sirbubbles:

Am I robbing myself of loot and quests/gameplay/lore? Is there a way to get inside and not be buddy buddy wink wink with them?

I already joined the BoS exclusively for the power armor and bartering opprotunities, I'm not really in the mood to hook up with some more unsavory people just so I can get certain items/reach certain parts of the game.

Yes, there are fun things to do and get if you work with the Children of Atom, and no, they won't peacefully let you into their private stronghold if you're not one of them.

Considering that they're radiation-worshipping zealots, I find the Children of Atom surprisingly reasonable. Their quests can generally be resolved without violence, including the one where you hunt down a heretic, and unlike the Harbourmen, they didn't start openly murdering people from other factions for disagreeing with them.

[fake (rat)]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by sirbubbles:

Am I robbing myself of loot and quests/gameplay/lore? Is there a way to get inside and not be buddy buddy wink wink with them?

I already joined the BoS exclusively for the power armor and bartering opprotunities, I'm not really in the mood to hook up with some more unsavory people just so I can get certain items/reach certain parts of the game.

Yes, there are fun things to do and get if you work with the Children of Atom, and no, they won't peacefully let you into their private stronghold if you're not one of them.

Considering that they're radiation-worshipping zealots, I find the Children of Atom surprisingly reasonable. Their quests can generally be resolved without violence, including the one where you hunt down a heretic, and unlike the Harbourmen, they didn't start openly murdering people from other factions for disagreeing with them.

their entire goal is to wipe out far harbor though, I loaded an earlier save and played along

[William Afton]

Originally posted by sirbubbles:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

their entire goal is to wipe out far harbor though, I loaded an earlier save and played along

it's true, they are caught trying to sabotage far harbor on multiple occasions

[Simpson3k]

Originally posted by sirbubbles:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Yes, there are fun things to do and get if you work with the Children of Atom, and no, they won't peacefully let you into their private stronghold if you're not one of them.

Considering that they're radiation-worshipping zealots, I find the Children of Atom surprisingly reasonable. Their quests can generally be resolved without violence, including the one where you hunt down a heretic, and unlike the Harbourmen, they didn't start openly murdering people from other factions for disagreeing with them.

their entire goal is to wipe out far harbor though, I loaded an earlier save and played along

Not their, but his.. but to discover that you have to get in touch with them instead of damning them all in advance..

[DrNewcenstein]

Originally posted by sirbubbles:

When I say....interactions....I mean murdering the Zealots at the front door.

I went and drunk from the totally-not-poison spring, blah blah I'm the chosen one come inside, but I noticed Longfellow hated me agreeing to join. Did I do something wrong? Was there another choice? Thought I had to join to get Dima's memories!

And they had the reacon armor which was a pretty damn substantial upgrade to my current setup, so....yeah I killed all Richter and the other guards.

Am I robbing myself of loot and quests/gameplay/lore? Is there a way to get inside and not be buddy buddy wink wink with them?

I already joined the BoS exclusively for the power armor and bartering opprotunities, I'm not really in the mood to hook up with some more unsavory people just so I can get certain items/reach certain parts of the game.

First mistake was bringing a follower along. What they don't know won't hurt your reputation. Mostly. Still, it's a Bethesda interpretation, so "unseen forces" rat you out, and your choices are broadcast across the wasteland, even if you killed every witness to the deed.

And no, you don't need to join the CoA to get Dima's memories, or the cool black Special Forces unitard. They die from bullet poisoning just fine.

[DrNewcenstein]

Originally posted by Simpson3k:

Originally posted by sirbubbles:

their entire goal is to wipe out far harbor though, I loaded an earlier save and played along

Not their, but his.. but to discover that you have to get in touch with them instead of damning them all in advance..

The CoA's goal is to wipe out Fah Hahbah with a radiation cloud. That's what zealots do. Dima did contemplate this move at one point, but didn't follow through with it. Instead, he found a less violent (in scale anyway) but more heinous way to deal with the residents of Far Harbor by replacing Captain whatserface with a synth.

[Simpson3k]

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

Originally posted by Simpson3k:

Not their, but his.. but to discover that you have to get in touch with them instead of damning them all in advance..

The CoA's goal is to wipe out Fah Hahbah with a radiation cloud. That's what zealots do. Dima did contemplate this move at one point, but didn't follow through with it. Instead, he found a less violent (in scale anyway) but more heinous way to deal with the residents of Far Harbor by replacing Captain whatserface with a synth.

Its their present leader that wants to wipe out far harbour and because the former leader disagreed with his he forced him to leave under false acuses calling him a hereticer or something, if you enter them and do all the quests for them you can discover it, kill their leader and turn them peacefull again

[fake (rat)]

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

Originally posted by Simpson3k:

Not their, but his.. but to discover that you have to get in touch with them instead of damning them all in advance..

The CoA's goal is to wipe out Fah Hahbah with a radiation cloud. That's what zealots do. Dima did contemplate this move at one point, but didn't follow through with it. Instead, he found a less violent (in scale anyway) but more heinous way to deal with the residents of Far Harbor by replacing Captain whatserface with a synth.

( .___________.)

ah what the hell not even surprised, everyone in this game is an arse

[DrNewcenstein]

Choices had to be made. Someone was going to make those choices either way; either the CoA were going to flood the island with radiation or the settlers were going to go on a killing spree. Dima found the most amicable solution - to preserve both factions' lives. The CoA could hang out in their radioactive fog and pray to a bomb, and the settlers could crowd themselves into a tiny corner and struggle to keep their condensers operational, while the synths lived happily ever after above it all. It's a Win-Win-Win, really.

But this is the fatal flaw in synth logic: "I am not a living thing, but a sentient thing, therefore all life is precious because all life is sentient". It's the outsider's view, which is always more optimistic.

Dima sees life, and looks beyond the petty differences of opinion between the factions. It is those differences that pit one against the other. Dima also contemplates the logic of both sides, though he doesn't completely embrace the means to achieve the ends.

The CoA see death by a radioactive cloud as being returned to the energy of the cosmos.
The settlers see death as the end of life. Not as the release from the struggles, the end to the pain, or the evolution of the soul, but merely as something to be avoided at all costs. They see life, however futile and fleeting, as the only thing worth fighting for.
Dima understands both arguments, but cannot decide which one outweighs the other, and so determines that neither is right nor wrong, but rather sees that both are correct.

He also understood that the only way to retain the equal difference was to make the choice he did make. Acadia would not have been affected either way had the Children of Atom flooded the harbor with radiation. Synths coming to the island would not have had trouble with it, and if they had immunity to the radiation, the CoA would have embraced them as chosen.

However, had the settlers wiped out the CoA, though the island would have still been largely irradiated, it would not have been artificially increased. Still, the physiology of the CoA holds the key to radiation innocculation, though oddly, Dima did not explore this.

So that's yet another ball Bethesda dropped.

[Simpson3k]

I was hoping till the very end that inside the CoA submarine harbor would be some kind of leaking reactor or something wich causes the fog that could be fixed to reduce the fog.. but sadly the fog stays a mysterie beyond the last quest on that island.

[DrNewcenstein]

The fog is ever-present because of the natural weather patterns. The CoA were artificially increasing the density and radioactivity of it.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

He also understood that the only way to retain the equal difference was to make the choice he did make. Acadia would not have been affected either way had the Children of Atom flooded the harbor with radiation. Synths coming to the island would not have had trouble with it, and if they had immunity to the radiation, the CoA would have embraced them as chosen.

However, had the settlers wiped out the CoA, though the island would have still been largely irradiated, it would not have been artificially increased. Still, the physiology of the CoA holds the key to radiation innocculation, though oddly, Dima did not explore this.

The Children's goal isn't specific to Far Harbour; they believe the fog is intended to cover the whole Island. But they don't actually have any way to increase the strength of the fog; they're just worshipping what already exists.

It's the Harbourmen who refuse to accept the natural phenomenon and they're also the ones who initiate the violence by murdering Children of Atom just for saying the fog is Atom's will. Frankly, DiMA should have just let the fog push them out; then there wouldn't be any conflict, and the Harbourmen themselves would be better off, since they could try to move on and find a more suitable place to live than an island covered in radioactive fog.

DiMA is really too sentimental, and his desire to make everyone happy encourages the Harbourmen to live in a place that is no longer any good for them.

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

The fog is ever-present because of the natural weather patterns. The CoA were artificially increasing the density and radioactivity of it.

No, they're not. They have no way to do that unless you believe that their worship of Atom is having real, tangible results.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by Simpson3k:

Originally posted by sirbubbles:

When I say....interactions....I mean murdering the Zealots at the front door.

I went and drunk from the totally-not-poison spring, blah blah I'm the chosen one come inside, but I noticed Longfellow hated me agreeing to join. Did I do something wrong? Was there another choice? Thought I had to join to get Dima's memories!

And they had the reacon armor which was a pretty damn substantial upgrade to my current setup, so....yeah I killed all Richter and the other guards.

Am I robbing myself of loot and quests/gameplay/lore? Is there a way to get inside and not be buddy buddy wink wink with them?

I already joined the BoS exclusively for the power armor and bartering opprotunities, I'm not really in the mood to hook up with some more unsavory people just so I can get certain items/reach certain parts of the game.

So you prefer to follow the BOS agenda instead of blowing up everything that isnt entirly following the path of the BOS? Great then get the key and blow up the submarines reactor after your murdered your way through their sanctuary. As long as you can find a reason for mass murder its justified, no? XD

Why should one howl with the wolfs to get access and search for a peacefull solution if one can simple blow everything up, hm? :)

Well in all honest i did right that in my first far harbor playthrough short after its release... only in the last one i went the most unviolant path..

And when Exackly has the bos mass Murdered a bunch of Innocent people? And if you say the Institute you're absolutely clueless about what they are guilty of. Your whole post was pretty ignorant.




Anyways, It's best just to wipe the COA out. Their ultimate goal is to force everyone to accept atom. And this is through spreading Radiation. Sure, You may have some "Peaceful" ones here and there. But the Majority of them are radical Zealots and the peaceful ones dont last long. Not to mention the entire Religion is easily gullible and manipulated into doing harm. Which the faction at Far Harbor proves. Look how easy it was for the once Peaceful group of COA to turn hostile and murderous with just a mere swap in Leadership.

Not to Mention,The COA AND Dima are both trespassers on Far Harbor. The Harbor townsfolk were there first. The COA nor Dima have claims to the land.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Anyways, It's best just to wipe the COA out. Their ultimate goal is to force everyone to accept atom. And this is through spreading Radiation. Sure, You may have some "Peaceful" ones here and there. But the Majority of them are radical Zealots and the peaceful ones dont last long. Not to mention the entire Religion is easily gullible and manipulated into doing harm. Which the faction at Far Harbor proves. Look how easy it was for the once Peaceful group of COA to turn hostile and murderous with just a mere swap in Leadership.

The Harbourmen are already hostile and murderous, and the Children initially don't do anything except preach about Atom. The Children could easily have descended on Far Harbour and wiped it out in retaliation, but they didn't.

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Not to Mention,The COA AND Dima are both trespassers on Far Harbor. The Harbor townsfolk were there first. The COA nor Dima have claims to the land.

The Harbourmen are almost certainly not the first people to have ever inhabited that land (given they have signs of European descent), or the first to have found the circumstances that once allowed them to take over turning against them.

Their time has passed and the time of the Children has arrived. The Harbourmen are just bitter and angry because they can't allow themselves to accept not being the chosen ones.