Enclave advanced powerarmor mk II

[Shameless Instigator]

So i realise there is a mod which adds this too the game, its a very well made mod but the thought comes too mind, Why wasent it in the game by default? the brotherhood of steel had a war with the enclave 10 years prior too fallout 4 and a majority of the enemies they faced wore this power armor model, knowing the brotherhood would rather secure technology for their own ends im surprised they are all using an entirely new powerarmor model shoehorned into the lore, not really complaining for a new power armor model though there is some confusion as too why the brotherhood havent salvaged and utilized secured mk II suits, this also counts with the hellfire powerarmor suits, its just a little weird as excluding the suits that were disintergrated or damaged beyond repair there would of been plenty of suits they could of added too their armory stockpiles with a new lick of paint

[actual trash]

Originally posted by DragonVampire<DvFish><:

So i realise there is a mod which adds this too the game, its a very well made mod but the thought comes too mind, Why wasent it in the game by default? the brotherhood of steel had a war with the enclave 10 years prior too fallout 4 and a majority of the enemies they faced wore this power armor model, knowing the brotherhood would rather secure technology for their own ends im surprised they are all using an entirely new powerarmor model shoehorned into the lore, not really complaining for a new power armor model though there is some confusion as too why the brotherhood havent salvaged and utilized secured mk II suits, this also counts with the hellfire powerarmor suits, its just a little weird as excluding the suits that were disintergrated or damaged beyond repair there would of been plenty of suits they could of added too their armory stockpiles with a new lick of paint

Because the Enclave weren't in Boston.

[Shameless Instigator]

Given the brotherhoods airship was constructed in adams airforce base, one of the enclaves old bases of operations they didnt have too be in boston, the capital wasteland brotherhood of steel which fought the enclave arrive in boston on an airship built on the runway of an old enclave base.... Doesnt matter if the enclave were never in boston the question is why didnt the brotherhood refurbish enclave suits and repaint them brotherhood colours, Its not like enclave armor is too heavy for the airship that transports an army of power armored soldiers too differant states

[a Hippobottomus]

They have X-01, which was made by the enclave.

[Shameless Instigator]

Which this chapter of the brotherhood doesnt use, it just seems very weird too me that a faction that hordes technology for their own use and whom got their virtibirds from the enclave aswell as possibly quite a load of their laser rifles could of been taken from enclave casualtys that they are not using the advanced power armor mk II as spoils of war it kinda goes against the brotherhood methos too not use technology they recover and given how obsessed they are with the use of powerarmor

[The_Pastmaster]

Originally posted by DragonVampire<DvFish><:

Which this chapter of the brotherhood doesnt use, it just seems very weird too me that a faction that hordes technology for their own use and whom got their virtibirds from the enclave aswell as possibly quite a load of their laser rifles could of been taken from enclave casualtys that they are not using the advanced power armor mk II as spoils of war it kinda goes against the brotherhood methos too not use technology they recover and given how obsessed they are with the use of powerarmor

Maybe it's more simply that it's too advanced to be practical to manufacture. As a strategist I would prefer to use a less advanced armour that still outranks most of the crap on the ground whoch I can give to ALL my soldiers than to pick the super armour and only give it to a few guys.
Sure, they could have given it to the elite people. That's a thing. But equipping EVERYONE with the Mk. II. Eeeh...

[Shameless Instigator]

Originally posted by The_Pastmaster:

Originally posted by DragonVampire<DvFish><:

Which this chapter of the brotherhood doesnt use, it just seems very weird too me that a faction that hordes technology for their own use and whom got their virtibirds from the enclave aswell as possibly quite a load of their laser rifles could of been taken from enclave casualtys that they are not using the advanced power armor mk II as spoils of war it kinda goes against the brotherhood methos too not use technology they recover and given how obsessed they are with the use of powerarmor

Maybe it's more simply that it's too advanced to be practical to manufacture. As a strategist I would prefer to use a less advanced armour that still outranks most of the crap on the ground whoch I can give to ALL my soldiers than to pick the super armour and only give it to a few guys.
Sure, they could have given it to the elite people. That's a thing. But equipping EVERYONE with the Mk. II. Eeeh...

I totaly agree with you it would make no sense if all soldiers were equiped with the mk II its just odd that nobody is equiped with it, Or other powerarmor models, would make a ton of sense if we had knights wearing both T-45 and T-60 and having higher ranked soldiers wearing the advanced models from the war before, rather everyone even eldar maxson wears T-60 while all they wore in fallout 3 was T-45

[The_Pastmaster]

Originally posted by DragonVampire<DvFish><:

Originally posted by The_Pastmaster:

Maybe it's more simply that it's too advanced to be practical to manufacture. As a strategist I would prefer to use a less advanced armour that still outranks most of the crap on the ground whoch I can give to ALL my soldiers than to pick the super armour and only give it to a few guys.
Sure, they could have given it to the elite people. That's a thing. But equipping EVERYONE with the Mk. II. Eeeh...

I totaly agree with you it would make no sense if all soldiers were equiped with the mk II its just odd that nobody is equiped with it, Or other powerarmor models, would make a ton of sense if we had knights wearing both T-45 and T-60 and having higher ranked soldiers wearing the advanced models from the war before, rather everyone even eldar maxson wears T-60 while all they wore in fallout 3 was T-45

Well, TBF, in Fallout 3 the brotherhood was cut off and were more or less scavengers without any Brotherhood support or supplylines unlike the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 which are resupplied and supported by the West Coast chapter which is the most well off one.

[JJDrakken]

Originally posted by The_Pastmaster:

Originally posted by DragonVampire<DvFish><:

I totaly agree with you it would make no sense if all soldiers were equiped with the mk II its just odd that nobody is equiped with it, Or other powerarmor models, would make a ton of sense if we had knights wearing both T-45 and T-60 and having higher ranked soldiers wearing the advanced models from the war before, rather everyone even eldar maxson wears T-60 while all they wore in fallout 3 was T-45

Well, TBF, in Fallout 3 the brotherhood was cut off and were more or less scavengers without any Brotherhood support or supplylines unlike the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 which are resupplied and supported by the West Coast chapter which is the most well off one.

East to my knowledge & from what I looked up. Haven't re-established with West BoS. In fact, Good Ol Max, pretty much running east as his own separate entity from West BoS. West BoS is still in conflicts with NCR, etc..

[The_Pastmaster]

Originally posted by JJDrakken:

Originally posted by The_Pastmaster:

Well, TBF, in Fallout 3 the brotherhood was cut off and were more or less scavengers without any Brotherhood support or supplylines unlike the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 which are resupplied and supported by the West Coast chapter which is the most well off one.

East to my knowledge & from what I looked up. Haven't re-established with West BoS. In fact, Good Ol Max, pretty much running east as his own separate entity from West BoS. West BoS is still in conflicts with NCR, etc..

Oh right. Adams Airforce BAse is on the east coast, not the west one. My bad. >_<

[Tyrant]

my theory is that in the war with the enclave the knowledge and equipment was damaged and or destroyed and so only bits of it was around to puzzle together, these bits were then used to improve their huge arsenal of T-45 into the T-60 armor which bethesda for some reason want to break the timeline with since its well established from fallout 1 that the T-51b was THE BEST prewar PA suit. but noo ''i am Toddler Howard i can ♥♥♥♥ over anything i want cause it just works''

[Shameless Instigator]

Originally posted by Tyrant:

my theory is that in the war with the enclave the knowledge and equipment was damaged and or destroyed and so only bits of it was around to puzzle together, these bits were then used to improve their huge arsenal of T-45 into the T-60 armor which bethesda for some reason want to break the timeline with since its well established from fallout 1 that the T-51b was THE BEST prewar PA suit. but noo ''i am Toddler Howard i can ♥♥♥♥ over anything i want cause it just works''

this alone is my biggest gripe with T-60 which is funny given the chestplate when looking at it from below looks flimsy at best, it feels too shoehorned in... an im still a T-51b faithful as far as prewar is concerned, apart from that your theory kinda matches up the best afterall both enclave bases basicly blow up schematics can go with them, while finding prewar virtibird schematics seems easier, kinda also explains why they get shot down easier then a bloatfly

[B...]

Originally posted by a Hippobottomus:

They have X-01, which was made by the enclave.

No, the X-01 power armor was made by the United States Goveremnet prior to the bombs falling. 'X' means that it was experimental. You don't issue experimential equipment to the troops in the field. The Enclave produced power armor that was based off of the pre-war X-01 power armor.; thus it would no longer have 'X' associated with its name. Why Bethesda uses a 'T' (T-45, T-51, T-60) as part of the power armor series names is a mystery to myself. I guess 'T' stands for 'transport'? It would have been more logical to use a 'P' instead; P-45 (power armor 2045 series).

[a Hippobottomus]

Originally posted by B...:

Originally posted by a Hippobottomus:

They have X-01, which was made by the enclave.

No, the X-01 power armor was made by the United States Goveremnet prior to the bombs falling. 'X' means that it was experimental. You don't issue experimential equipment to the troops in the field. The Enclave produced power armor that was based off of the pre-war X-01 power armor.; thus it would no longer have 'X' associated with its name. Why Bethesda uses a 'T' (T-45, T-51, T-60) as part of the power armor series names is a mystery to myself. I guess 'T' stands for 'transport'? It would have been more logical to use a 'P' instead; P-45 (power armor 2045 series).

According to the loading screen tips, the X-01 Armor was post-war

[Zulu]

Originally posted by a Hippobottomus:

They have X-01, which was made by the enclave.

It does say 'Remnant' Power armour which could also mean that the BOS may have made some to. Its not necessarily just Enclave, just 'Remnants'.

[a Hippobottomus]

Originally posted by Zulu:

Originally posted by a Hippobottomus:

They have X-01, which was made by the enclave.

It does say 'Remnant' Power armour which could also mean that the BOS may have made some to. Its not necessarily just Enclave, just 'Remnants'.

according to the wiki, the enclave is what is left of the government and military..