Survival Grrr

[The Inept European]

Edit: this thread has evolved into a narrative about the joys and pitfalls of Survival play. It's no longer about falling off the Corvega Factory or even the frustration of restricted game saves in Survival. :-)


♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I just cleared out Corvega Factory on Survival and then died falling off a wall while admiring the view. Now I have to repeat the whole thing.

Why doesn't Bethesda realise that Survival is not the same as Ironman? If I want to do Ironman, I'll do Ironman. I don't, I just want to do Survival.

Survival = hard, realistic challenges.
Ironman = one life, no save scumming. Or rather, to prevent save-scumming, no saves at all. Despite saving being a basic quality of (real) life feature.


Grr grr grr. I'll get over it. Or maybe I'll just fail that quest and get another one.

PS don't you love it when the farmers give you a 100 cap "reward", meanwhile you probably burned 500-1000 caps worth of ammo while risking your life to protect their bunch of ramshackle huts and their inbred children??

[Bored Peon]

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Playing at level 128 doing Nuka World. Did a bunch of the missions. I was about ready to save and went to cook some food and got stuck inside the crafting window unable to exit due to a bug. GRRR.

I think it's official I've had to reload more times due to bugs then I've actually died on survival.

You could have consoled out of it. Doombringer posted the console command that allows you to return to survival.

[mr.who? WcD]

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Edit:

PS don't you love it when the farmers give you a 100 cap "reward", meanwhile you probably burned 500-1000 caps worth of ammo while risking your life to protect their bunch of ramshackle huts and their inbred children?? [/quote]

Me:
I usually earn 100-200 caps per sidequest and if you use 500 caps worth of ammo you must be the worst shot in the world, i usually use like 100 caps worth aswell as i usually find more than i use so i still have 100+ profit and you can use meele weapon to save ammo aswell as you get loot

[Slaughterer]

I only come close to running out of ammo clearing the robots in nuka world. I don't take scrounger

[Hellbishop]

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The Jade Helm tunnels are another one to know about, since it's literally planned for apocalyptic nuclear war or an invasion of the US by ground forces aka China. Hence the name Jade Helm.

There's so much content Bethesda could take inspiration from, but i guess they're too busy on a new entire product.

Hell, although it -looks like- there's no actual storyline or Lore for the entire franchise past "Everything dun broke, watch da powah struggle", i could write one very easily to put it all into a big picture leading up to another global war.

When creating a game there is always a limited time frame and finances to develop the product and get it out for consumption. Eveything and anything is possible but we are finite. I guess that is one of the important bases the modding community has covered :D

I think the storyline is done in such a way that a million countless stories can sprout from it along with whatever the player can dream up. Maybe they are not all fleshed out but the seeds have been planted to be nourished.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

To cheat or not to cheat.

Hi guys I'm survive level 131. It's been a great adventure. Completely vanillia, no mods. Problem is I'm stuck. I picked the Institute and played through their mission until I'm supposed to have my first meeting, and the game is glitched. Although I sit down at the chair the game won't start the next phase of the mission.

I read about a code that can change the game back to survival. I'm tempted to lower the difficulty, use the console the skip that mission or at least jump to the next phase and then re-enable survival. But I'm torn I don't want to cheat although I don't know if this qualifies as cheating since it's a bug.

What do you think?

On a side note does anyone know the code to re-enable survival difficulty?

[Bored Peon]

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On a side note does anyone know the code to re-enable survival difficulty?

Trya forum search. Doombringer just posted it in another topic the other day.

[The Inept European]

^^^

Yeah this, sorry. GL, search should not be too hard as the post was recent.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Thanks all, found it. Skipped the phase of the quest and I'm back to an Institute ending.

[The Inept European]

I've gone back to normal mode to explore storylines, and I have to tell you it feels like an arcade game, and not a hard one. I just pew pew pew everything. I'm unkillable and it doesn't even take effort to be unkillable, I am "lazily unkillable".

It's fine, like playing in a cartoon. The only "Normal Grr" is the bullet spongery. Multiple head shots from a 308 to take down a Gunner Private??!? Otherwise fine.

[*.)]

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I've gone back to normal mode to explore storylines, and I have to tell you it feels like an arcade game, and not a hard one. I just pew pew pew everything. I'm unkillable and it doesn't even take effort to be unkillable, I am "lazily unkillable".

It's fine, like playing in a cartoon. The only "Normal Grr" is the bullet spongery. Multiple head shots from a 308 to take down a Gunner Private??!? Otherwise fine.

Honestly, the same kinda applies to Survival in my opinion.

Once you get enough hubs around the map to supply you with food and water, you're golden. Only diseases might slow you down, but again, with enough settlements with doctors in it, it's more an inconvience then anything else.

Bulletsponges...yeah :S

Install Game Configuration Menu (or Survival Options). Amp up the damage to your liking. I prefer everyone (including myself) to be nearly glasscannons. (there are a lot of damage changing mods, i just like the simplicity of this one, without needing to download 4-5 mods)

Mods like Better Locational Damage also work great for this. Headshots are headshots. I die when a dog bites me in the face, done. Shotgun staggers you aswell. Molotows do damage overtime (burning) Do mind, it also adds bleeding -you can bleed to death after the battle. LifeGiver doesn't kick in after you used bandages.

Agony is similar. Some really nice animations aswell. (some rare ingredients aside, most of the new healing items aren't that hard to acquire). I think I mostly like the extra weight I've got to drag around, got to be selective in what im gonna carry.

I really like Arbitration. It makes enemies more smart and more aware of you. It has some options when you install it, so read them.

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O, or install More Enemies aswell.

Does what it saids on the can, it multiplies enemies. Configuration through the MCM, so you can adjust the value's to your level. It both multiplies the spawns as spawn the same group near you (out of line of sight).

You might want to turn of interior spawns tho. I forgot that during Tradecraft.

What i like about it, is that it forces me to pickup weapons from my enemies to use the ammo they drop. Just to not deplete the ammo for my favorite weapons.

[The Inept European]

Yeah I don't disagree. And useful mod suggestions, thanks.

[The Inept European]

I particularly agree that almost all of the challenges in Survival quickly turn into mere inconveniences after a few levels / establishing a decent Settlement network.

Then only the "pseudo difficulty" of assymetric damage multipliers (input/output) remains. But you barely notice that's stacked against you because (as I think I said up thread somewhere) the AI just can't exploit the one shot kill reality like you can.

So yes, a different 'feel' of arcade, a one shot feel, but still arcade.

Thanks again for the excellent and detailed mod suggestions.

[Hellbishop]

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I've gone back to normal mode to explore storylines, and I have to tell you it feels like an arcade game, and not a hard one. I just pew pew pew everything. I'm unkillable and it doesn't even take effort to be unkillable, I am "lazily unkillable".

It's fine, like playing in a cartoon. The only "Normal Grr" is the bullet spongery. Multiple head shots from a 308 to take down a Gunner Private??!? Otherwise fine.

That's what i like about Survival Mode it keeps me sharp and on my toes. While normal is still plenty dangerous alot of it has to do with me knowing i can take a ton of damage getting overconfident and sloppy then voila am dead. Plenty of times i'll jump right into the open in a fire fight then suddenly think i would never get away with this in Survival Mode and how i miss that extra bit of realism in the mix.

Bullet spongey enemies i don't mind if they're Super Mutants and monsters but yea a raider taking a bunch of damage does get a bit jarring. I keep in mind though what was talked about in a earlier post about ammo and weapons degrading over time and how in real life weapons and ammo from past world wars either fire duds or wont work at all due to degradation over time. Keeping this in mind i can easily accept bullet spongey humans.

Even modern weapons like assualt rifles have to be constantly cleaned and maintained to work reliably which was one of the cool features in FALLOUT 3.

The weight factor is great. It makes me stick to the early game weapons much longer while enjoying the fun of upgrading them to the max. Nothing like a pipe gun modded to have less kick back with high damage output as a raider falls screaming off a roof :)

Another thing is how Survival Mode gives major importance to all the non combat items in the world like food. Now i can look at all that delicious food in the game world and feel it is more then just a downgraded med kit.

[The Inept European]

Yeah no doubt about it, Survival is the way to play, for all those good reasons you stated.

I like your retcon about bullet misfires and duds. I'm going to roleplay that every time a raider or gunner takes one to the face and laughs his head off. Instead of me laughing as his head comes off. :-)
Like you I don't mind so much with Super Mutants and monsters, they have some strange biology going on, that's fine.