Lag in cities

[Ruzlev]

Hi guys, Im having painful fps drops in larger cities like diamond city and cambridge, concord, etc.
Where as the game runs butter smooth in other environment like dungeons or settlements.
I run it all on high except for shadow wich are set to lowest.
AO is also off.
It's not a killer rig but I don't think my fps is supposed to drop to abysmal ~25 fps in cities.
Specs:

Core I7 3770 3.4GHz
GTX960 2GB
8GB RAM

anyone got a fix for me? Cause I really like the game but these frame drops are a real buzzkil.

[Sinister80s]

It happens to me aswell and i have an RX 570 with 16gb of ram, Ryzen 5 1600. I dont think there is a way to fix it unfortunately

[Ruzlev]

Originally posted by SinisterPiggy:

It happens to me aswell and i have an RX 570 with 16gb of ram, Ryzen 5 1600. I dont think there is a way to fix it unfortunately

That'd be such a shame, cause the game is so good, but these urban areas make it unplayable!

[Zeoplez]

Large cities are known for tanking your fps. If you don't mind using mods you can try https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/26286 "Boston FPS Fix" which the AIO one covers most of the game I believe and not just Boston. It helped me get back to a smooth 60 fps in big cities where I was dropping to I think 30-40s. Also you could try this Fix https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/15211 for Ultra God Rays if you run that on Ultra which also gave me a fps boost back to 60 in places it was causing me to drop.

[redninja8]

My game never used to do this but has only just done it the last 2 times i've played... really weird... used to run smoothly no matter where i was on the map.

[Nite69]

happens here too, I get around 40fps in the main city at ultra detail, but everywhere else its smooth

Ryzen 5 2600x
16GB ram
GTX 1070

[Ruzlev]

well I noticed it happened during gunfights outside as well, and I figured I turn of decal quantity and gun debris, and so far it seems to have made a huge difference.
+ the game still looks good

[redninja8]

You guys only just getting this or has it happened the whole time you've been playing?
I've been stretching my game out for a looong time, getting the most out of it, and this has only just started happening in the last week. Nothing about my rig has changed at all and nothing has been changed with any software unless Fallout itself has updated - i also run the vanilla version with no mods at all whatsoever.

[Ceejay]

You do realise that the bigger built up areas require more power to render right??? So naturally emptier areas will run better as the computer is doing less work.

[Ruzlev]

Originally posted by Ceejay:

You do realise that the bigger built up areas require more power to render right??? So naturally emptier areas will run better as the computer is doing less work.

Well, even the fps drops I used to have in cities are gone now, after I disabled those 2 options that must've been very taxing on the memory.

[Nite69]

Originally posted by Ceejay:

You do realise that the bigger built up areas require more power to render right??? So naturally emptier areas will run better as the computer is doing less work.

No its not the rendering of the GPU, its the game engine, even those on more powerful systems get the same problem

[ƎϽ∀ƎԀ]

Originally posted by Nite69:

Originally posted by Ceejay:

You do realise that the bigger built up areas require more power to render right??? So naturally emptier areas will run better as the computer is doing less work.

No its not the rendering of the GPU, its the game engine, even those on more powerful systems get the same problem

Yes I agree the game engine needs work, but, I have to disagree that the more powerful systems get the same problem.
I recently replaced my old system and my current one, runs a constant 60fps everywhere. (very rarely I might see 59fps) 2715 x 1527 ( I was running it higher but the temperature even liquid cooled was through the roof ). Full ultra -wep debris, Vivid Fallout, All in one ENB, 45 mods of which 1/2 doz are heavy on the memory, smooth as butter, very seldom crashes.
I think with the way AAA games are made these days it takes 3 or 4 years before computer components are sufficiently advanced for home systems to play them at their max settings.

[Ceejay]

Originally posted by Cpt. Diomedes:

Well, even the fps drops I used to have in cities are gone now, after I disabled those 2 options that must've been very taxing on the memory.

My point exactly, you lowered the amount of processing power your computer needed to do in those areas, the same as if you had lowered your detail levels/resolution etc.

Originally posted by Nite69:

No its not the rendering of the GPU, its the game engine, even those on more powerful systems get the same problem

I never said it was down to the gpu, its a combination of both cpu and gpu, what I said was the more built up areas, the computer is having to do more work, so naturally those areas will cause more issues.

If your computer is fast enough you wont notice as much, but low/mid range computers will show more of an issue in these areas as those areas take more power to render due to more buildings/objects/shadows etc.

Yes the engine is clunky and has issues I never said it did not, as you point out even the most powerful system occasionally drop fps's etc, but this does not change the fact the more built up the area, the more action that is going on, the more computing power the computer needs to use.

As the op said, they are getting the bigger drops in the built up area, which they seemed suprised at, well of course they will get bigger drops as their computers are having to do more work in those areas. This will be more or less noticeable depending on specs.

[redninja8]

I'm still confused that this never used to happen to me and then it happened twice in a week - and now it's behaving and not doing it again.

I even visited the same areas several times during separate sessions to see if it would happen again, and compared to when it DID happen, there was far more action going on (cross fighting with super mutants and raiders, then the BoS showed up also! Ha!) . I can't remember the areas off the top of my head, but i am about to play so i will look them up and post the location of one of them that i kept visiting

[Ceejay]

Oh as I said the game does indeed have bugs, i remember doing the escort mission for the railroad to Ticonderoga, ive done it several times with multiple characters, however about 3 playthroughs ago for some reason for about a minute my fps went from a solid 60 down to 2-3 fps, but its not done it before or since.

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by Cpt. Diomedes:

Hi guys, Im having painful fps drops in larger cities like diamond city and cambridge, concord, etc.
Where as the game runs butter smooth in other environment like dungeons or settlements.
I run it all on high except for shadow wich are set to lowest.
AO is also off.
It's not a killer rig but I don't think my fps is supposed to drop to abysmal ~25 fps in cities.
Specs:

Core I7 3770 3.4GHz
GTX960 2GB
8GB RAM

anyone got a fix for me? Cause I really like the game but these frame drops are a real buzzkil.

There is not fix - the cities just have a lot going on in them. People with 1080ti's experience framerate drops.

The closest you'll get to a fix is turning off shadows while in the cities. Either through the console, the launcher, or, better - get FPS Dynamic Shadows mod. It will scale shadow distance to framerate. As framerate drops, shadows are not drawn as far away. This helps.

Also - if you have disabled 'bUsePrecombinedMesh' - either for a scrapping mod or any of the ones that make changes to cells, that will cause a massive framerate drop.