It took me 4 years

[Docsprock]

... to notice why Dogmeat is found at Red Rocket.

[Gracey Face]

Publicado originalmente por Tesityr:

Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:

References have been made to rockets for a long time, but they're also not automatically that without more to sell the idea. People generally don't hear the word "rocket" and start going "hur, hur, hur..." without a bit more to it than that.

Given how blatantly suggestive the bears are, Dogmeat happening to be at a location is too tenuous a possible connection to really assume it's more than coincidence.

Since the concept art of "Red Rocket" was released, people 'in the know' made the connection (that is how pop culture references work; if you've seen the initial stimulus, you'll 'get the reference' from then on), just look up the phrase and how people 'got it' from day one.

If you, personally, choose to ignore the other references in the game as well (eg. the Jangles the Monkey doll sitting on the tip of a Red Rocket plastic toy, the posters, the concept art, where Dogmeat is found, the name Dogmeat, etc) - then that is your choice to stay ignorant of it - it doesn't magically wash it away for the rest of the world or make it "coincidence".

As far as you alone are concerned, there is no connection. That is your own personal choice and I doubt any text typed on a screen will change your mind to see what is there.

The man you are replying to is saying you're reading too much into something that isn't there. A nice example is the name dogmeat, you posit that it is evidence of a ♥♥♥♥ joke, but the dog companion has been called dogmeat in every game so far, and the name is just meant to show that the dog is fodder (as it dies almost instantly unless you actively prevent it).

I also had to look it up as I forgot the specific reference, but the name is also a reference to a film called "A boy and his dog" (as there's a dynamic where the boy will eat the psychic dog the moment it stops being useful to him, or at least he says he will, and calls the dog dogmeat because of this.)

[DouglasGrave]

Publicado originalmente por Tesityr:

Since the concept art of "Red Rocket" was released, people 'in the know' made the connection (that is how pop culture references work; if you've seen the initial stimulus, you'll 'get the reference' from then on), just look up the phrase and how people 'got it' from day one.

People can connect almost anything to anything, and in this case the idea relies on an assumption of what whoever was developing it thought in a fairly obtuse way that doesn't match the style of the rest of the humour.

Publicado originalmente por Tesityr:

f you, personally, choose to ignore the other references in the game as well (eg. the Jangles the Monkey doll sitting on the tip of a Red Rocket plastic toy, the posters, the concept art, where Dogmeat is found, the name Dogmeat, etc) - then that is your choice to stay ignorant of it - it doesn't magically wash it away for the rest of the world or make it "coincidence".

Like with art, the fact you drew a connection that makes sense to you doesn't magically make it anything more than a coincidence that it turned out that way.

Things like the monkey doll sitting on a rocket work independently of any reference; they're straightforward, individual, and obviously intentional from their specific positioning (the colour of the rocket doesn't matter, nor even the fact that it's a rocket at all). Here you've got a dog just happening to be somewhere that vaguely relates. He's not really doing anything special, he's just around the place.

Red Rocket itself is from previous games and Dogmeat's name a reference to "A Boy and His Dog". All you've got here is a case like a kaleidoscope where two previous elements happened to fall together in a way that looked like it fitted.

The concept art matches where they decided to put him in the game; it's not a separate fact or particularly special beyond the fact the place has a striking appearance that looks good in art.

Publicado originalmente por Tesityr:

As far as you alone are concerned, there is no connection. That is your own personal choice and I doubt any text typed on a screen will change your mind to see what is there.

You'd need some sign of it being more than a dog happening to be at one of several places with the same name scattered across the wasteland

You've got one preexisting random fact (Dogmeat is a dog) intersecting with another preexisting random fact (there's a fuel franchise called Red Rocket). One happening to turn up near the other is easily within the range of coincidence.

[Tesityr]

Publicado originalmente por Richard Stroker:

Publicado originalmente por Tesityr:

Since the concept art of "Red Rocket" was released, people 'in the know' made the connection (that is how pop culture references work; if you've seen the initial stimulus, you'll 'get the reference' from then on), just look up the phrase and how people 'got it' from day one.

If you, personally, choose to ignore the other references in the game as well (eg. the Jangles the Monkey doll sitting on the tip of a Red Rocket plastic toy, the posters, the concept art, where Dogmeat is found, the name Dogmeat, etc) - then that is your choice to stay ignorant of it - it doesn't magically wash it away for the rest of the world or make it "coincidence".

As far as you alone are concerned, there is no connection. That is your own personal choice and I doubt any text typed on a screen will change your mind to see what is there.

The man you are replying to is saying you're reading too much into something that isn't there. A nice example is the name dogmeat, you posit that it is evidence of a ♥♥♥♥ joke, but the dog companion has been called dogmeat in every game so far, and the name is just meant to show that the dog is fodder (as it dies almost instantly unless you actively prevent it).

I also had to look it up as I forgot the specific reference, but the name is also a reference to a film called "A boy and his dog" (as there's a dynamic where the boy will eat the psychic dog the moment it stops being useful to him, or at least he says he will, and calls the dog dogmeat because of this.)

Thank you for your input - this is not my reference nor my creation nor my association - comments on it were made in 2014/2015 when the concept art came out. People made the association together long before I even owned the game. Evidence of this can quickly be found on Reddit and here, and other Forums.

I don't particularly like the 'low-brow' level of the joke but I won't outright say something doesn't exist just because of the immaturity of it... Yes, there are also interpretations to Mad Max and other man-and-dog elements (to use your points) - but for someone to outright dismiss an obvious cultural reference is ... well I guess it's his/otherpeople's choice to ignore things, if they want.


Again, I just feel bad for DouglasGraves and people that close their minds to what is there (whether it be this pop reference or other things in life).

To each their own - and I must let others be how they wish to be - I forget that sometimes. Peace

[DouglasGrave]

Publicado originalmente por Tesityr:

I don't particularly like the 'low-brow' level of the joke but I won't outright say something doesn't exist just because of the immaturity of it... Yes, there are also interpretations to Mad Max and other man-and-dog elements (to use your points) - but for someone to outright dismiss an obvious cultural reference is ... well I guess it's his/otherpeople's choice to ignore things, if they want. Again, I just feel bad for people that close their minds to what is there.

Personally, I'm not judging it on the immaturity, but on how readily it's covered by coincidence when the association is weak (one generic name having a possible bearing on dogs). The internet is full of pictures of funny coincidences, and there are plenty of cultural references that happen to overlap with other words.

Publicado originalmente por Tesityr:

Again, I just feel bad for DouglasGraves and people that close their minds to what is there (whether it be this pop reference or other things in life).

I feel bad that you close your mind to the possibility of a coincidence, or any other reasonable alternative. Personally, I'm not exclusive, I just have different degrees of likelihood.

This simply doesn't have strong enough evidence of an intentional relationship for it to have a high probability. If some other relevant connection strengthened it, it would become more likely.

[Gracey Face]

Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:

This simply doesn't have strong enough evidence of an intentional relationship for it to have a high probability. If some other relevant connection strengthened it, it would become more likely.

Guy's already at the stage where he's calling you (and so implying me also) pitifully stupid.


I don't think you're going to reason with him. Just a warning of course.

[Out Of Bubblegum]

Publicado originalmente por Richard Stroker:

Publicado originalmente por DouglasGrave:

This simply doesn't have strong enough evidence of an intentional relationship for it to have a high probability. If some other relevant connection strengthened it, it would become more likely.

Guy's already at the stage where he's calling you (and so implying me also) pitifully stupid.
I don't think you're going to reason with him. Just a warning of course.

Agree with this. Some people are so far above us that they just KNOW things are true or not. Because ... reasons. Yes, this is possible. Or it is just fan fiction. We will never know the real truth unless someone from the development team confirms/denies it.

On a side note. I am always disappointed that members of the development teams for games do not come out and reveal the truth after a few years. There are so very many debated issues and questions that could be answered. Like, for instance, J. K. Rowling comes out and explains things about the books once in a while. Things fans have been debating. Yes, cynical me says she is just trying to stay relevant and be noticed. But the information is nice to have.

[JobeGardener]

Red Rockets are everything. Probably why it is one of the most reoccurring themes of all time.

[The Inept European]

Publicado originalmente por Docsprock:

... to notice why Dogmeat is found at Red Rocket.

Well thank you for bringing this disturbing connection to our attention. XD

[Grendalcat]

I guess it's about time for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjWokqBxODs