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sputnik Jul 16, 2018 @ 7:00pm
Endgame quests questions (potential spoilers)
PLEASE help, I can't seem to find a proper answer.
So, I'm at this point where I'm in good graces with all the factions:

- I have started Tactical Thinking (BOS) but I haven't talked to Captain Kells yet in order to keep the RR friendly. Already completed Liberty Reprimed by giving Proctor Ingram the network scanner holotape. I also stole it back from her.
#[Q1: how can I give Sturges the holotape after that? which quests do I have to complete?]
- I have started Mass Fusion (Institute), but haven't informed the BOS about it yet.
- I have finished Old Guns (Minutemen).
- I've been doing Underground Undercover (RR) until the point where I'm asked to keep working for Father.

I have thought of two possible ways which I would like to try after doing a hard save where I am right now, so please tell me if all I've written below is correct:

1) By informing the BOS about the beryllium agitator in Mass Fusion, another quest is supposed to trigger, which is Spoils of War. Obviously, after this the Institute will be hostile and Underground Undercover will fail after being banished from the Institute.
What I want to achieve with this is the Minuteman quest Defend the Castle. After that I plan on betraying the BOS, and I'd like to fight the BOS in that quest where you are supposed to destroy the Prydwen.
#[Q2: How's that quest called and how do I trigger it?]
If I'm right, RR will still be friendly at me, but...
#[Q3: will I have the option to do more main quests with them later after failing Underground Undercover? Will I even be able to get the RR ending?]


2) By NOT informing the BOS about the beryllium agitator and just keeping on with Mass Fussion, the BOS will be hostile at me (which is what I want) but I will still be in good terms with the Institute, plus I'll be able to finish Underground Undercover later on. The thing is, at that point:
#[Q4: will I be able to get the mission where I have to destroy the Prydwen with the Minutemen?]
I intend to betray Father then and then get Defend the Castle, as the Institute will be hostile.
#[Q5: If I choose this path, I'll only be able to get the Minutemen ending, right?]


3) #Q6: If I want to test the BOS ending, I just have to ignore Underground Undercover, inform the BOS about the beryllium agitator and continue with Tactical Thinking, right?]

To be clear, I still don't know if I want to end the game with the Minutemen or with the Railroad. In any case, I want destroy the BOS and the Institute.

Is everything I've specified above correct? Thanks for reading everything, I know it's a lot and I've tried to organise it as clearly as possible. I just don't want to mess up everything in my first playthrough, heh.

Thanks a lot!
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Langkard Jul 16, 2018 @ 9:53pm 
I suppose you can try to give the holotape to Sturgis. I don't know the answer to that.

For #1) Since you started Tactical Thinking, it is impossible now to inform Ingram of the Institute plans for Mass Fusion. He will only respond by telling you to talk to Kells for Tactical Thinking. Spoils of War can't be triggered while Tactical Thinking is active.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Fusion#Notes

I don't see a way for you to remain friendly with the Railroad at this point without failing Tactical Thinking. Most RR side quests with P.A.M are disabled since Tactical Thinking was started. Only failing it will change that. You also can't inform Ingram about Mass Fusion while Tactical Thinking is active.

For #2) You should be able to destroy the Prydwen after either completing both Old Guns and The Nuclear Option (for the Minutemen) OR by the BoS becoming hostile. Either way still allows the Minuteman quest With Our Powers Combined to trigger. You can even complete the main story line as BoS and still trigger it as long as you don't complete Defend the Castle which makes the BoS hostile automatically.

The quest will not trigger if you complete Rockets Red Glare for the Railroad and get Banished from the Institute.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/With_Our_Powers_Combined (See the notes section)


Speaking to Kells at any point now that Tactical Thinking has started will automatically make the RR hostile. Avoid him if you wish to continue with the Railroad. P.A.M. will be unavailable for side quests since Tactical started. The only way to fix without console commands is to fail the quest by having the BoS become hostile.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Tactical_Thinking#Notes

Since you started Mass Fusion for the Institute, the BoS will become hostile if you speak to Allie. If you plan to wait on making the BoS hostile, avoid speaking to her and advancing the quest.

It can get very confused at this point, with the quest configuration you have working.





Last edited by Langkard; Jul 16, 2018 @ 10:11pm
Tavman (4) Jul 16, 2018 @ 10:13pm 
You can always complete the Mass Fusion quest for the Institute and start the quest Pinned. From there you'll have to decide who to support, the minutemen or the railroad.
sputnik Jul 17, 2018 @ 4:18am 
Originally posted by Langkard:
For #1) Since you started Tactical Thinking, it is impossible now to inform Ingram of the Institute plans for Mass Fusion. He will only respond by telling you to talk to Kells for Tactical Thinking. Spoils of War can't be triggered while Tactical Thinking is active.

What I did in the end was murder Elder Maxon because of what he tried to do to Danse (and because of his battlecoat lol). He deserved it. After this, of course, the BOS are hostile and Tactical Thinking fails so I remain allies with the RR.

Originally posted by Langkard:
I don't see a way for you to remain friendly with the Railroad at this point without failing Tactical Thinking. Most RR side quests with P.A.M are disabled since Tactical Thinking was started. Only failing it will change that. You also can't inform Ingram about Mass Fusion while Tactical Thinking is active.

Speaking to Kells at any point now that Tactical Thinking has started will automatically make the RR hostile. Avoid him if you wish to continue with the Railroad. P.A.M. will be unavailable for side quests since Tactical started. The only way to fix without console commands is to fail the quest by having the BoS become hostile.

Now I know why PAM doesn't ave any other dialogue options, thanks!
However, I've read in several places that by starting Tactical Thinking but not speaking to Kells, no other hostility is triggered. And I can confirm it, I've been in the RR HQ and they still speak to me. Plus, I was with Deacon when I accepted the quest, and he had no negative reaction. Anyway I've already failed Tactical Thining, so no problem.


Originally posted by Langkard:
Since you started Mass Fusion for the Institute, the BoS will become hostile if you speak to Allie. If you plan to wait on making the BoS hostile, avoid speaking to her and advancing the quest.

Again, my playthrough is becoming more and more weirder. I've already spoken with Allie, and I told her not to accompany me as I infiltrated the Mass Fusion builidng (haven't done that yet). No hostility was triggered, I was friends with the BOS until I shot Maxon between the eyebrows.


This is what I plan to do:
I'll head to Mass Fusion and I'll recover the beryllium agitator for the Institute. At this point the BOS will already be hostile, so I'll head to the Castle and I'll speak to Garvey or to Ronnie Shaw or whoever it is in charge of giving me the quest With Our Powers Combined. By becoming enemies with the BOS, Tactical Thinking failed so I'll be able to do more quests for PAM and the RR.

Then I'll complete Underground Undercover and I'll continue with the Minutemen main quests and storyline. I hope I'm not doing anything wrong. As soon as I do this, I'll post an update.

Thank you so much for your answer!!
sputnik Jul 17, 2018 @ 4:21am 
Originally posted by Tavman (4):
You can always complete the Mass Fusion quest for the Institute and start the quest Pinned. From there you'll have to decide who to support, the minutemen or the railroad.

I just finished Mass Fusion for the Institute and I'm about to do Pinned. I want to side with the Miutemen but remain friendly towards the Institute, I hope there's a way to do that at this point.
For now I'm just looking for the synth that is supposed to guide me to my quarters in order to finish Underground Undercover. I don't think there's a proper way to trigger this, other than marauding around the Institute.
Tavman (4) Jul 17, 2018 @ 4:19pm 
Originally posted by winterjokull:
Originally posted by Tavman (4):
You can always complete the Mass Fusion quest for the Institute and start the quest Pinned. From there you'll have to decide who to support, the minutemen or the railroad.

I just finished Mass Fusion for the Institute and I'm about to do Pinned. I want to side with the Miutemen but remain friendly towards the Institute, I hope there's a way to do that at this point.
For now I'm just looking for the synth that is supposed to guide me to my quarters in order to finish Underground Undercover. I don't think there's a proper way to trigger this, other than marauding around the Institute.

Pinned also makes you choose between the minutemen and the institute. If you side with the minutemen, you will be banished from the institute.
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