Cant build anymore at Red rocket.

[Xaviruso]

First of all, no, I dont have any construction mods or ever had them. Only mod i use is the crude blowback mod, so i doubt its even related. Just saying this beforehand cause i've searched a lot and found lots of people saying its related to removing a building mod called snap something something and i've never used it so :P


So the problem is that whenever i go to red rocket and try to build, i am limited to building certain structures. My build limit cant have been reached already cause... i havent built anything at all there... I just sent my companions there and have them all in there so its easier for me to find them later on, but now i wanted to build something in the roof just for fun and turns out i cant :/
All structures like floors and stairs i cannot place for some reason. I tried them all, wood, iron and concrete. I cant place anything related to electricity either. But i must point out that at some point i was able to build cause i did add a little sign made out of neon letters that says "Companion's ville" just for fun. Anyways, the point is that i can build crops and fences, tho i cant build junk fences. I do have all the required materials and even tried taking them by hand, having them in my inventory, having them in the workshop and connecting a supply line just in case the game was having a hard time recognising my resources. Never had that problem before and all settlements work fine, and i dont really care about being able to build up there really, just wanted to make some decoration which really aint important for me at all. Since all other settlements allow me to build just fine i was wondering, what could possibly be blocking off red rocket? I mean, i was able to build here at some point, cause i have the neon letters and a generator but i cant build anything else anymore and if i select the generator i can indeed move it around as well as the neon letters. But if i store them i cannot place them once more it seems. So i just wanted to know if anyone else has this problem or has seen it before, or if this is a common behaviour or what is going on here cause this was working just fine this morning, which is when i made the neon sign. And nope, i cant go back to that save cause i save super frequently and decided to get rid of a bunch of old saves that i didnt need to make use of anymore, and i aint using any recovery tools to get back a bunch of save files just so i can build in a little virtual settlement that doesnt need my help.

Hopefully someone knows what is going on or can help figure it out.

[Xaviruso]

Welp, quick update, i went back into the game and now each time i approach red rocket it just crashes my game... And it kinda happens in all the saves i've got so... heh, what?

[ƎϽ∀ƎԀ]

Red Rocket, Sanctuary and Abernathy Farm are all so close to each other that the amount you build in them will influence the others. ( or at least that is what I have read numerous times over the years I have played this ). The amount you have built in Sanctuary and/or Abernathy may be limiting Red Rocket ( or now causing it to crash ). I always make a point to leave Red Rocket alone and then I have never run into a problem building in those settlements.

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Xaviruso:

Welp, quick update, i went back into the game and now each time i approach red rocket it just crashes my game... And it kinda happens in all the saves i've got so... heh, what?

Its a mod. :) Modding is great but thats a mod crashing it. The exact same thing happened to me but it was a texture replacer that was doing it and i still dont know why i just didnt use that mod any more.

The best mods are self made using the Creation Kit CK and thats a must try and easy to use, and can be amazing with practice. Can see what other mods do and then add them all into a personal mod that is 100% never going to crash because nothing extra is in there.

Have a back up of a none modded Fallout 4 folder, and new back ups when modding is stable and play tested before adding new mods because its an advanced game and anything could start crashing it and may be impossible to find.

Any crash is because the game is trying to load something but it cant.



I had every problem in this game so far. :) Had random crashes every hour or so and everything else, its always a mod doing it and just got to remove mods that crash the game or fix load order or something.

[Flippy]

See this mod? Its awsome, and the Creation Club even has an official version with important official story connected to it now done along with someone else that does alot of the CC quests, the Noir Penthouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE-lpDbNNlQ

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/24139

My point is i dont know how but the mod doesnt crash the game, but if the textures are used from some of the related mods by themselves they do crash the game. (not the mod that was crashing my game in the previous example by the way, i was trying to use the textures from a different mod and thats how i found out that some textures crash the game if used seperately for sure)

Some things are a mystery and just got to know that if its crashing its a mod doing it at this point. :)

[Xaviruso]

Originally posted by Gamcull:

Red Rocket, Sanctuary and Abernathy Farm are all so close to each other that the amount you build in them will influence the others. ( or at least that is what I have read numerous times over the years I have played this ). The amount you have built in Sanctuary and/or Abernathy may be limiting Red Rocket ( or now causing it to crash ). I always make a point to leave Red Rocket alone and then I have never run into a problem building in those settlements.

havent built anything in abernathy but i did build in sactuary but only a bunch of water purifiers and all of what sturges asks for so yeah, not sure this could be it. And i also doubt this could be the reason because, as i said, i can build fences and crops just fine, its just everything else, like floors, stairs and walls that i cant build and everything in the electricity tab. What i did get to happen tho was while walking near the edges of the building area the structure would appear for me to place it for like a frame or so but in red which meant i couldnt place it and then it disappeared again, which leads me to believe that its somehow getting sunk underground and trying to place the structures out of bounds or idfk what is going on tbh.

Originally posted by Flippy:

Originally posted by Xaviruso:

Welp, quick update, i went back into the game and now each time i approach red rocket it just crashes my game... And it kinda happens in all the saves i've got so... heh, what?

Its a mod. :) Modding is great but thats a mod crashing it. The exact same thing happened to me but it was a texture replacer that was doing it and i still dont know why i just didnt use that mod any more.

The best mods are self made using the Creation Kit CK and thats a must try and easy to use, and can be amazing with practice. Can see what other mods do and then add them all into a personal mod that is 100% never going to crash because nothing extra is in there.

Have a back up of a none modded Fallout 4 folder, and new back ups when modding is stable and play tested before adding new mods because its an advanced game and anything could start crashing it and may be impossible to find.

Any crash is because the game is trying to load something but it cant.



I had every problem in this game so far. :) Had random crashes every hour or so and everything else, its always a mod doing it and just got to remove mods that crash the game or fix load order or something.

As i said, only got that one mod right now, i did have in other characters a lot more mods but not in this case. And those other characters kept crashing all the time lmao, but this one's been going smooth so far. Yesterday was the only first time i got problems and its somehow only in red rocket. I tried making a test entering without the mod i mentioned before and it kept happening. Then i read what you said about textures, disabled the official HD textures pack and now i can get into red rocket once more but still cant build... Then i re enabled the hd textures and still it works as if they were disabled, so im guessing the not being able to build there problem and the crashing problem are not related after all.


So far this is what i've gathered:

-the mod i have doesnt seem to be related cause disabling it and deleting all of its files doesnt do anything to it.
-This has happened before on other saves which had different mods but i didnt pay much attention to it because i never wanted to build it, it was mostly noticed when i hit the workshop by accident and tried to walk in a direction, opening the building menu and entering whatever structure.
-I called a friend who is playing in a pirated copy, of an older version of the game (meaning its lacking lots of patches added throughout the years) and without any mods (he has never modded at all) and he just got the same problem. I asked him if he had it on his world as well to test it out cause his save is 1d long, just like mine, and ofc, it had the same problem as mine.
-The crashing in red rocket was related to the HD textures, when disabled it didnt happen anymore but still couldnt build, which meant that the crashing wasnt related to the not being able to build. (btw i re-enabled it and still works just fine)

With all of this info, im quite sure i can say that the problem is from the base game, and an old problem actually, since my friend's pirated copy of the game has also that problem and he hasnt got any dlcs or any mods installed. From what it seems so far is that a character that has been played for 1 day of total time starts to get that problem for some reason. I have been quite some time, like 1 or 2 years maybe? without playing fallout 4 and i kinda remember i had like a list with the problems that appeared over time and this situation is pretty familiar to me tbh. But then again i could be wrong cause its been years since the last time i touched this game and i aint got no clue what could be causing this.

i dont even know anymore, but thanks for the help people! :P

[Xaviruso]

Allright, quick update, this is indeed something that is part of the base game. I went back to red rocket and was able to build again structures such as walls and generators and stuff. I have no clue what fixed it but my friend still has that problem... I did a bunch of quests away from red rocket, actually on the fart south end of the map, so i guess that all that has to happen is that the cell where the settlement is gets unloaded for a while and when you come back it works just fine??? i dont know, really, but after a while questing near the north part of the map the problem came back to red rocket. So this is indeed a problem caused by being near the settlement. My only guess is that the game keeps that cell loaded and over time, something must be causing a problem in red rocket to prevent it from allowing the player to build. Unloading the cell for a long time fixes it, so my guess is that the cell's memory is somehow getting filled, i supose by having all my companions there and stacking a bunch of minutemen quests from preston waiting for me to turn them in, and that can cause problems with constructing certain structures that might require more cell memory consumption to place. And unloading the cell for a long time seems to fix it.

So long story short: it seems that getting far away from red rocket, but like super far away, like the south of the map, and waiting for a bunch of in game days fixes the problem. The problem might be caused only because i store all my companions in there. The potential culprit might be Preston and all of his quests waiting for me to turn them in :P

I told my friend to try that out, we'll see in a while, if that is indeed the case, then we will know the answer for sure.

[Elbmek]

Each settlement has a limit which is very frustrating; there should be no limit. Croup Manor is one of the worst for that.

[Xaviruso]

Originally posted by Elbmek:

Each settlement has a limit which is very frustrating; there should be no limit. Croup Manor is one of the worst for that.

What limit are you talking about, because if its build limit, i already said that was not the problem, because i didnt build a n y t h i n g there.

In my previous comment, which i guess you didnt read due to its length (cant blame you, i wouldnt read the bible either...), i already said that it was fixed.

The problem: If you are like me and you store all of your companions or a lot of essential characters in the same settlement, the game will for some reason have some trouble running that cell properly, causing problems like not allowing you to build certain structures, while allowing others... weird stuff always happens in fallout when it comes to matters related to essential npcs.

The fix: So to fix this just unload for a bunch of in game hours the cell, aka get the ♥♥♥♥ out of there and as far as you can get and magically the game will decide that its time to work once more. Well, work as much as a bethesda game can work.

[Xaviruso]

And to think this little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ adventure just happened because i wanted to make some stairs to the roof... good. Thanks Todd.

[DouglasGrave]

I don't think it's specifically related to companions (I've routinely stored my companions in Sanctuary without problems), but they're NPCs and if you have a bunch of them around there's a chance that the game could have trouble with pathfinding or job assignments, or a dozen other things, and if it happens to be struggling too much while it's also trying to load something, it may not load properly.

I know the game does keep a limited number of recently-used cells of the game world, so that it doesn't have to load them all over again if you decide to backtrack, run back and forth during battle, or duck in and out of an interior space. But when you save, it only saves the cells actively loaded around the player, so saving, exiting to the menu, and reloading is usually enough to make things freshly load the next time you visit them.

[Xaviruso]

Remember when i mentioned that my game crashed when i entered red rocket? and that after removing the HD pack i could go in again ? Well i didnt try building after that, so if the problem arises again rather than going to the other end of the planet just to build a single stair case i guess i'll try your method, lmao thanks.