What's Wrong With Laser Weapons?

[danconnors]

I have a new laser rifle with the advanced sniper reciever. According to the chart it does 95 points of damage. I have a pipe gun sniper rifle modified to fire .50 caliber cartridges. It does only 82 points of damage according to the same chart. The chart is wrong.

I take the laser sniper rifle out one time. It fails to phase a deathclaw that my .50 would have made mince meat out of. It gets me killed by a glowing one that it seems to have no effect on whatsoever. The energy weapon is unreliable, has ridiculous recoil--considering it's firing something with no mass, and is noisy as Hell.

Into the closet goes my new laser sniper rifle. Out comes old reliable; to be used for parts for a special I picked up that has 20% chance of crippling the legs per shot. Everybody gets a choice, of course. But mine is ballistic all the way.

[bunny de fluff]

what is the differences between electron beam and laser?

[West Dragon]

If caps is what's holding you back from purchasing the ammo you need to get the job done there are ways, without cheating, to fix that.

Turn Sanctuary into a water farm and build as many purifiers as you are able. Your settlement will then produce 150 or more units of purified water per harvest. With enough charisma, you can sell each unit of purified water for 10 caps or more.

If you go the water route, you can also make adhesive for sale. Vegetable Starch is a utility recipe at any cooking station. It requires 3 corn, 3 mutfruit, 3 tato, and 1 purified water. When scrapped, vegetable starch produces 5 adhesive. you will need to assign 1 settler to farming for every 1 vegetable starch you want to make based on those values as 3 corn, 3 tato, and 3 mutfruit produces 6 food and each settler can attend to that amount of crop.

There's also the chemist route in which you can easily produce jet for profit as its recipe requires only fertilizer and plastic. I've never gone down the chemist route myself as I've never needed it.

Apart from earning money, consider minimizing your expenses and making fights more cost effective. Have a reliable melee weapon on hand for close-quarters combat to off set ammo consumption. Allow companions to finish off low health enemies as you'll earn experience for the kill regardless. Retreat from random fights if you've something...anything, better to do as you'll likely get nothing worthwhile for your time. Most fights involve dirt poor raiders and junk-carrying ghouls.

Loot anything that shoots at you. Ammo is worth a minimum of 1 cap per unit.

Steal anything you can that's worth selling. Dogmeat is an excellent thief as he can take items from containers without drawing aggro. you can also pick up and carry items that are just lying around and drop them somewhere where you're hidden where you can then safely steal the item without drawing aggro. Chems, stimpaks, ammo, nuka quantums, and the like respawn regularly in Diamond City Market, a single shoplifting spree can net you hundreds of caps.

[LiMpY]

Originally posted by Grendalcat:

Righteous Authority is a pretty good laser rifle that you can easily get early on.

Final Judgement is THE laser weapon, and one of the best weapons of any type, IMO.
It is not so easy to get however.

Ahh.. favorite weapon = "The Last Minute" with 230 damage when held to full charge.

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by bunny de fluff:

what is the differences between electron beam and laser?

In terms of how the noise is generated? No difference as far as I'm aware. A high energy electron beam weapon would have exactly the same effect, an evacuated (ie vacuum) channel along the path of the beam that would explode then implode all along its length. The implosion probably being louder than the explosion, but ymmv I guess.

There is a theoretical idea of a lower powered electrical weapon that uses lower powered laser to create an ionised channel to the target and then the electrical discharge follows this ionised channel. We could imagine that the Protectron electrical attacks are similar (do they have ranged electrical attacks or just melee electrical?).

[The Inept European]

Good tips there, Old Kid John. I do most of those things, but I do consider water farming to be cheating. It's nerfed out anyway in Immersive Gameplay - as it should have been from the start but Bethesda missed the exploit. In IG you can only sell purified water for 1 or max 2 caps (with all perks etc) so industrial water farming is no longer a game breaking exploit.

[The Inept European]

Tbh I think I just hate paying for ammo. 😁

I don't mind paying for most things, but the markup on ammo is so egregious it feels like a total waste of caps. I prefer just to switch to a weapon that uses a different ammo type, until the ammo I'm short of comes up in looting. And gauss is always going to be a rare type of ammo to loot. And also relatively rare at vendors, even if I was willing to pay for it.

I guess, buying a weapon or armour is an investment, but paying for ammo is just an expense. ☺️

[Chaosium]

Scrounger perk is just awesome for ammo concerns, gives up to 5 different types in ammo boxes and even corpses, including 2mm EC

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by Chaosium:

Scrounger perk is just awesome for ammo concerns, gives up to 5 different types in ammo boxes and even corpses, including 2mm EC

Tip Of The Day Award goes to Chaosium! 😁

[Evan]

Originally posted by Chaosium:

Scrounger perk is just awesome for ammo concerns, gives up to 5 different types in ammo boxes and even corpses, including 2mm EC

Didn't know it'd give me that much ammo!

[Chaosium]

It's a really good perk, even at rank 3 you find ammo pretty much everywhere. For people like me who like to check every single container, locker and desk, it's fantastic ^^

Rank 4 isn't that great as it doesn't improve chances as far as I know, but overall it's a solid choice if you're having troubles finding ammo (especially for automatic weapons users I'd say)

[danconnors]

My usual final weapon is the 5.56 mm assault rifle. One reason is the ammo is plentiful and CHEAP. I usually carry up to 1,000 rounds of this extremely light ammo, and the gun usually becomes my sole weapon. This satisfies my urge to make the game halfway realistic, since I no longer have to figure out where I'd carry all those weapons while walking around.

I can put a scope on an assault rifle, making it a good sniper rifle. It does well as a hip firing close range weapon. And it gives a shotgun a run for its money as a sheer volume of pellets producer.

[ghpstage]

Originally posted by red255:

I was merely mentioning to demonstrate the bug, you should test vs super mutants not vs deathclaws.

does seem like a significant oversight if true.

Fair enough.
The best test dummies though, are companions that you sent to a settlement. They allow you to easily control the conditions of a test and repeat it, while also being found in convenient locations.
To see this particular goof in all of its glory a high DR target is preferable.

So Danse it is,
Powerful .44 sneak attack, 206 displayed DAM
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1675904633
O/C Improved Sniper Laser Pistol sneak attack, 207 displayed DAM
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1675904784
To prove that it is the DR mechanics that cause this you can simply swap targets to Curie or another companion with no DR, to show multipliers drive the problem you can vary the number you use etc.

[jonnan.west]

The Assault Rifle isn't as powerful as some other weapons, but it has amazingly little rise or sway.

As for other items, I still love the six-crank Laser Musket. For most of the game it outperforms even the Gauss Rifle, even when the Rifle finally outstrips it at like level 47, it's not by much, and although it takes more ammo its ammo you actually find.

[1-Adam-12]

Don't feel bad they shafted that same dog in FO76. Energy weps are WORTHLESS in that game. It doesn't matter how great it is, I scrap it instnatly. And that my FO friends is a G-danged shame. Todd should be sad, cuz it just DON'T work.

[Emmental]

I can't believe this is a thing that never got fixed. Does the unofficial patch not fix this either?