CTDs ... Freaking CTDs ...

[Crysos]

Allright, i thought i'd come here for some help because i'm kinda stuck with a CTD problem i haven't been able to solve alone...

So here's my mod list :

F4SE
MCM
HUDFramework
AWKCR
SSE
Homemaker
Unequip Pip Boy
Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch
SKK Fast BoS (keeps prydwen from appearing until you help Danse)
Better Locational Damage
Full Dialogue Interface
Optimised Vanilla Textures
Armorsmith Extended
Eli's Armor Compendium
Settlement Supplies Expanded
Survival Options
Faster Terminal Displays
Survivalist Go-Bags
EBT (Blood texture)
Vivid Fallout - All in One
Vivid Weathers
Darker Nights
Combat Zone Restored
Better the Third Rail (Goodneighboor bar overhaul)
Brighter Settlement Lights
ETSGB & ETSGH (easy to see glowing bobbleheads and holotapes)
Fallcomplete (to track bobbleheads in Survival with Horizon)
Falout Suite (New soundtracks)
Faster Workshop (workshop icons appear faster and stay)
Fog Remover (Remove excess fog in game)
Fr4nsson's Light Tweaks
Lever Action Reload Fix
Longer Power Lines
Immersive Mouth and Teeth
Insignificant Object Remover
Pip Boy Flashlight
Automaticaly Lowered Weapons
Place Everywhere
Player Head Tracking
Ponitail Hairstyles (for Better settlers)
Raider Children and Other Horrors of the Commonwealth
Publick Occurences Revamped
Immersive Killable Childrenn
Realistic Ragdoll Force
Better Settlers
Ghastly - Ghoul Eyes Texture (for Sexy Hancock)
Sexy Hancock
Power Armor Animation Changes
Power Armor Delivery
Quieter Settlements
Reverb and Ambience Overhaul
Quick Trade
Face Maxson (restored Bos questline where Danse challenge maxson, cut content)
The Eyes of Beauty (Eye mod)
Towbie's Realistic Weapon Sounds
Weapons of Fate (Ballistic Overhaul)
We are the Minutemen
Valentine Reborn
Truly Unique Nick
Amazing Follower Tweaks
Start Me Up (Only used to skip intro)
CBBE
CBBE DISMEMBERMENT PATCH (older textures that allow dismemberment)
1950's Feminine Outfits
Def_UI
Horizon (Survival Overhaul, highly recommend for real challenge and immersion)
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of Horizon coompatibility patches

Not including some randoom ones that, for example, remove the idiot savant perk sound...

Now the problem :
I usualy play for a while each sessiion, BUT i tend to run into CTDs kinda out of nowhere.
So far, i started a first playthrough with a bit less mods, and added a few, without any problems, and after like 30-40 hours into a playthrough, i would run into CTDs randomly after either a few minutes or over hours of playing the game...

Thing is, it seemed to me that the more static i was, the more i would get CTDs, like in that playthrough, i made Red Rocket my base settlement, and scrapped everything to make it look the way i wanted, using scrap everything, at the time (now replaced by Horizon's own scrap mod, which seems kinda the same, with even the same bugs in interiors ... ) and building with architect (Horizon's own integrated building mod)

So i would craft a lot of stuff at Red Rocket, and encounter some CTDs after crafting for a while, or just running around.

Meanwhile, i would barely have any while roaming the wasteland, but they could still occur ...

In the end, i chose to restart a playthrough to see if it would change anything, and it did for like 25 hours i think... But now they start to come back ...

I also considered the fact that i use both Horizon and Survival Options, which allow me to save the game where i want (Because ♥♥♥♥ saving at beds, when you can crash at any point in time) and i'm wondering if the autosave system might be the cause for it, tho i have no idea how to deal with it, as it's pretty freaking good to simply play the game with it saving itself every 10 mins or so ... Kinda adds to the immersion of a playthrough ...


Does anyone have an idea ? Was able to troubleshoot some issues with a specific mod i use, or even was able to solve that kind of CTD ?

I'd love some input on this !


Edit : New playthrough i'm doing right now, i made Homeplate my main settlement, since Horizon revamped it to be huge and even have part of the beginning of a Vault inside, and i figured so far i didn't even have a single CTD inside it (considering it's not in the world map, but inside it's own cell... )

Also, i used a mod to tweak some graphics and lowered Grass values, since i heard a guy having CTD problems and that was able to solve them doing that, i figured "why not"

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Use LOOT. Get your mod list parsed & see if there's any dirty mods or errors. Then open Fo4 edit & clean the dirty mods. One by one. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=943456144
https://loot.github.io/
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/2737/

[DrNewcenstein]

You should have a log somewhere that tells you why the game crashed, or if it was some other process firing that caused the game to crash.

Make sure you're not using an ATI/AMD GPU. I don't think they've ever fixed the atidvxx.dll bug that forced me to switch to Nvidia years ago.


Make sure you don't have conflicting mods.

I've not used Wrye Bash all that much (once in Oldrim) but can it be used to combine all your mods into one? This, to me, seems to be the best way to find undocumented edits that may be conflicting.

Also, run your GPU and CPU fans manually on high. Take off the side panel so they get plenty of air, and make sure your fans aren't just swirling hot air around inside the case, or drawing hot air into the case ('tis the season).

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[JDaremo Fireheart]

Originally posted by Hara-Hara:

Use LOOT. Get your mod list parsed & see if there's any dirty mods or errors. Then open Fo4 edit & clean the dirty mods. One by one. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=943456144
https://loot.github.io/
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/2737/

Wise to say to clean tham but if you're going to give that advice then give the WHOLE thing.

NOT Every mod that has errors needs to be cleaned. Some have errors Intentionally and will break the mod if fixed.. Consult with the Mod Page and the Author before cleaning.

[Spec_Ops_Ape]

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

Make sure you're not using an ATI/AMD GPU. I don't think they've ever fixed the atidvxx.dll bug that forced me to switch to Nvidia years ago.

Been using AMD GPU's for more than a decade and this is the first time I've heard of this "bug".
What is it?

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Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

Originally posted by Hara-Hara:

Use LOOT. Get your mod list parsed & see if there's any dirty mods or errors. Then open Fo4 edit & clean the dirty mods. One by one. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=943456144
https://loot.github.io/
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/2737/

Wise to say to clean tham but if you're going to give that advice then give the WHOLE thing.
NOT Every mod that had errors needs to be cleaned. Some have errors Intentionally. Consult with the Mod Page and the Author before cleaning.

It's written in the cleaning guide iirc. But yea you're right indeed

[JDaremo Fireheart]

Originally posted by Spec_Ops_Ape:

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

Make sure you're not using an ATI/AMD GPU. I don't think they've ever fixed the atidvxx.dll bug that forced me to switch to Nvidia years ago.

Been using AMD GPU's for more than a decade and this is the first time I've heard of this "bug".
What is it?

damned nvidia worshipper eh?

I too have been using AMD GPUs and CPUs for decades with no problems.

[Crysos]

Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

Originally posted by Spec_Ops_Ape:

Been using AMD GPU's for more than a decade and this is the first time I've heard of this "bug".
What is it?

damned nvidia worshipper eh?

I too have been using AMD GPUs and CPUs for decades with no problems.

Already cleaned what had erros, and it was original ESM, nothing for the mods i use.
Also no i'm on a Nvidia GPU, 1060 by the way

[ƎϽ∀ƎԀ]

Originally posted by Crysos:

Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

damned nvidia worshipper eh?

I too have been using AMD GPUs and CPUs for decades with no problems.

Already cleaned what had erros, and it was original ESM, nothing for the mods i use.
Also no i'm on a Nvidia GPU, 1060 by the way

If you cleaned the Fallout4.esm, that is most likely one of the reasons for your problem with crashing.

[JDaremo Fireheart]

Originally posted by Gamcull:

Originally posted by Crysos:

Already cleaned what had erros, and it was original ESM, nothing for the mods i use.
Also no i'm on a Nvidia GPU, 1060 by the way

If you cleaned the Fallout4.esm, that is most likely one of the reasons for your problem with crashing.

if he did it wrong, then yes it can.
I and thousands of other have been cleaning our esm files for years

[JDaremo Fireheart]

Originally posted by Crysos:

Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

Originally posted by Spec_Ops_Ape:

Been using AMD GPU's for more than a decade and this is the first time I've heard of this "bug".
What is it?

damned nvidia worshipper eh?

I too have been using AMD GPUs and CPUs for decades with no problems.

Already cleaned what had erros, and it was original ESM, nothing for the mods i use.
Also no i'm on a Nvidia GPU, 1060 by the way

That was directed at Spec Ops, not you Crysos. LOL
I should have specified.

When you cleaned the master, did you follow the guide we linked?

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Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

Originally posted by Crysos:

Already cleaned what had erros, and it was original ESM, nothing for the mods i use.
Also no i'm on a Nvidia GPU, 1060 by the way

That was directed at Spec Ops, not you Crysos. LOL
I should have specified.

When you cleaned the master, did you follow the guide we linked?

Was rereading OP :
"Thing is, it seemed to me that the more static i was, the more i would get CTDs, like in that playthrough, i made Red Rocket my base settlement, and scrapped everything to make it look the way i wanted, using scrap everything, at the time (now replaced by Horizon's own scrap mod, which seems kinda the same, with even the same bugs in interiors ... ) and building with architect (Horizon's own integrated building mod)

So i would craft a lot of stuff at Red Rocket, and encounter some CTDs after crafting for a while, or just running around.

Meanwhile, i would barely have any while roaming the wasteland, but they could still occur ..."

Can it be the post scrapped object preculling thing causing the CTDS ? Idr the exact term for that

[JDaremo Fireheart]

Thanks, Hara. Must have missed that first time through

Originally posted by Crysos:

Thing is, it seemed to me that the more static i was, the more i would get CTDs, like in that playthrough, i made Red Rocket my base settlement, and scrapped everything to make it look the way i wanted, using scrap everything

Crysos, THAT'S Your Problem right there.
Scrap Everything when not used CAREFULLY will Totally Smeg Up Your Game!
It removes things that should never be scrapped . . . Like at Red Rocket, the Molerat Den gets scrapped. And with RR, Sanctuary, and Abernathy Farm so close together, modding or modifying those can be a pain in the arse. One change in Sanctuary, like the Bridge can Affect RR because those nav meshes connect

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Originally posted by JDaremo Fireheart:

Thanks, Hara. Must have missed that first time through

Originally posted by Crysos:

Thing is, it seemed to me that the more static i was, the more i would get CTDs, like in that playthrough, i made Red Rocket my base settlement, and scrapped everything to make it look the way i wanted, using scrap everything

Crysos, THAT'S Your Problem right there.
Scrap Everything when not used CAREFULLY will Totally Smeg Up Your Game!
It removes things that should never be scrapped . . . Like at Red Rocket, the Molerat Den gets scrapped. And with RR, Sanctuary, and Abernathy Farm so close together, modding or modifying those can be a pain in the arse. One change in Sanctuary, like the Bridge can Affect RR because those nav meshes connect

I did a similar mistake in my first playthrough, scrapped the "backdoor" in Starlight drive inn, then had endless ctds around that location and even Lexington. Same for Sunshine tidings water tank(?) So don't scrap that either.

There's a mod that helps with this issue on nexus but it didn't work out for me, had to restart on a fresh game.
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/13294

Btw I see you're using Armorsmith too :

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/17374

"Armorsmith Extended is NOT compatible with Horizon anymore* *Armor Keywords should be perfectly fine though, as it shouldn't conflict with Horizon. Also note (to avoid confusion) Armor Keywords was never required for Horizon, it was only required for Armorsmith. You only need Armor Keywords if you have other mods that require it."

[JDaremo Fireheart]

Use Place Everywhere. It's a safer alternative than Scrap Everything.
It also allows you to scrap un-scrapable items, but in a safer manner.
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/9424/?