The Cabot House Quest-Line

[「AMOEBA」]

I seriously need people's thoughts about this quest.

So I bought Fallout 4 a bit ago, I'm not a fan of the story nor the dialogue from what I've seen online but I've been told time and time again that the gameplay is good so I gave it a shot.

So far I've been able to bare the below average story and quests, but I'm honestly at my breaking point with this quest. The Cabot House questline is by far the worst questline I have ever seen in an RPG in my entire life. I have no idea how this quest even managed to escape someone's mind it's so bad.

You mean to tell me that there is a family of 4 that lived during the 19th century that found an alien artifact that halts their aging. That this family has been doing this for 400 years and nobody has noticed, nor killed any one of them throughout this time.

You mean to tell me that Jack's sister, idk wtf her name is, being the hoe that she is has not been killed by a random group of people just because?

You mean to tell me that 200 years ago, Lorenzo went on a rampage and was about to be sent on death row but was saved by Jack and put into an insane asylum that he's been in for 200 years to the present day ingame.

You mean to tell me that during these 200 years, Jack has not found a way to cure his father?

You mean to tell me that the Cabot family only had enough serum to survive another week to which they instantly die in game as a result of not having anymore?

This questline literally makes no sense, the fact that this is canon in Fallout is just f*cking insane. People keep saying that Fallout 76 is going to be bad because of the lack of a story but jesus christ look at what we have now!

[「AMOEBA」]

Originally posted by polarforscher:

The sad thing is that the Cabot-Questline -bad as it is- is still one of the better quests. You already met the Fridge-Ghoul Billy ?
What I don't get is why most of the quests are so terrible but we know for sure, that they COULD really do marvellous quests. The Vault-Quest in Far-Harbour for example was so enjoyable.

I have met Billy and I personally think that at least that quest is better in terms of story than the Cabot House questline. Billy's stupid predicament is just a bunch of coincedences purposefully set up for the player, meanwhile the Cabot House's lore is so bad it literally breaks the lore with how idiotic it is.

[big stupid jellyfish]

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

So far I've been able to bare the below average story

Compared to what exactly? Every fallout game has a pretty mediocre main story, FO4 is one of the better ones imo.

The Cabot House questline is by far the worst questline I have ever seen in an RPG in my entire life.

You must not have played many rpg's lol.

You mean to tell me that there is a family of 4 that lived during the 19th century that found an alien artifact that halts their aging. That this family has been doing this for 400 years and nobody has noticed, nor killed any one of them throughout this time.

They are rich and they have superpowers. Nobody would notice anything in the pre-war world if they just moved to another neighborhood every 10 years or so and the serum gives them a massive advantage should anyone try to attack them.

You mean to tell me that Jack's sister, idk wtf her name is, being the hoe that she is has not been killed by a random group of people just because?

The same applies to all the ghouls who have been alive since before the war, except most of them aren't rich and none of them have powers comparable to the Cabots, yet i don't see you complaining about them.

You mean to tell me that 200 years ago, Lorenzo went on a rampage and was about to be sent on death row but was saved by Jack and put into an insane asylum that he's been in for 200 years to the present day ingame.

Yes? What's wrong with that?

You mean to tell me that during these 200 years, Jack has not found a way to cure his father?

It's an alien/cthulhu artifact, how tf would Jack know how to safely remove that sort of thing? It might not even be possible for all we know.

You mean to tell me that the Cabot family only had enough serum to survive another week to which they instantly die in game as a result of not having anymore?

Yes? It might deteriorate over time, and their previous shipment got ambushed. I don't see what's wrong with this.

This questline literally makes no sense, the fact that this is canon in Fallout is just f*cking insane. People keep saying that Fallout 76 is going to be bad because of the lack of a story but jesus christ look at what we have now!

It makes perfect sense lol. You're acting like Fallout is some super serious hard scifi where this story would be out of place when it really isn't. It is a goofy pulp fiction series that doesn't take itself seriously. Aliens and lovecraftian monsters have existed within the series for a long time, but a quest about an immortality serum is where you draw the line? Really?

[「AMOEBA」]

Originally posted by big stupid jellyfish:

Compared to what exactly? Every fallout game has a pretty mediocre main story, FO4 is one of the better ones imo.

How could you say that when you've played Fallout New Vegas? Unless your version of story is "Me run and shoot good" I don't know how you could say that when literally every other Fallout game including 3 has at least attempted a story.

You must not have played many rpg's lol.

Good counter-point, what's next? You're going to say no u?

They are rich and they have superpowers. Nobody would notice anything in the pre-war world if they just moved to another neighborhood every 10 years or so and the serum gives them a massive advantage should anyone try to attack them.

A group of unarmed hippies subdued and trapped Emogene in an room and locked the door. I'm pretty sure if you threw a couple of guns into the mix it wouldn't be too hard minus killing Lorenzo.

The same applies to all the ghouls who have been alive since before the war, except most of them aren't rich and none of them have powers comparable to the Cabots, yet i don't see you complaining about them.

Yeah only difference is there are ghouls who looked and lived similarly to each other and could interact with each other. Who the hell did the Cabots interact with before humanity reclaimed the land, the dirt?

You mean to tell me that 200 years ago, Lorenzo went on a rampage and was about to be sent on death row but was saved by Jack and put into an insane asylum that he's been in for 200 years to the present day ingame.

Yes? What's wrong with that?

Do you have to practice at being stupid or does it just come naturally for you?
Why the hell did a government just say "oh okay, we won't kill him for his crimes" and instead allow for him to be trapped in a mental asylum? This is pre-war too so it literally doesn't make any sense why this would happen!

Yes? It might deteriorate over time, and their previous shipment got ambushed. I don't see what's wrong with this.

Okay fine, lets assume it does deteriorate over time, genius boy Jack didn't find a method to preserve it for further use?

It makes perfect sense lol. You're acting like Fallout is some super serious hard scifi where this story would be out of place when it really isn't. It is a goofy pulp fiction series that doesn't take itself seriously. Aliens and lovecraftian monsters have existed within the series for a long time, but a quest about an immortality serum is where you draw the line? Really?

Now I know you didn't play any of the previous Fallout games if you're going so say ret@rded crap like the game didn't take itself seriously. Just as an example because you also own the game, Caesar modelled himself and his Legion in Fallout New Vegas after Roman forms of government as he believed that it was the most effective way that he could reunite the Mojave under one leadership.
Jack's reasoning for trapping his father? "He kill people and is bad man"

[big stupid jellyfish]

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

How could you say that when you've played Fallout New Vegas? Unless your version of story is "Me run and shoot good" I don't know how you could say that when literally every other Fallout game including 3 has at least attempted a story.

Haha, NV is among the worst FO main stories. It allows for literally one type of character build so it makes sense: Mercenary who doesn't care about morals and goes with House to get a lot of money for his efforts.
Every time i play it i either ignore the main quest completely, or i have to make up convuluted reasons for my characters to side with one faction or the other, because the game just doesn't offer any good motivations to continue the main story after you deal with Benny.

A group of unarmed hippies subdued and trapped Emogene in an room and locked the door. I'm pretty sure if you threw a couple of guns into the mix it wouldn't be too hard minus killing Lorenzo.

Her lover went out of their bedroom and locked the door lol. He didn't exactly subdue her. She also didn't take the serum for a while when we meet her, so she might not have had her superpowers any more.

Yeah only difference is there are ghouls who looked and lived similarly to each other and could interact with each other. Who the hell did the Cabots interact with before humanity reclaimed the land, the dirt?

With each other and their servants i assume. Plenty of people survived the apocalypse outside of the vaults, the 'reclaiming' shouldn't have taken all that long.

Do you have to practice at being stupid or does it just come naturally for you?
Why the hell did a government just say "oh okay, we won't kill him for his crimes" and instead allow for him to be trapped in a mental asylum? This is pre-war too so it literally doesn't make any sense why this would happen!

Rich people get special treatment in the corrupt af pre-war america? Colour me surprised!

Okay fine, lets assume it does deteriorate over time, genius boy Jack didn't find a method to preserve it for further use?

No, the dude had no idea how to preserve alien-artifact enhanced blood for a long period of time.

Now I know you didn't play any of the previous Fallout games if you're going so say ret@rded crap like the game didn't take itself seriously. Just as an example because you also own the game, Caesar modelled himself and his Legion in Fallout New Vegas after Roman forms of government as he believed that it was the most effective way that he could reunite the Mojave under one leadership.
Jack's reasoning for trapping his father? "He kill people and is bad man"

Haha, so the morons in football gear who were fighting guns with spears are actually an example of the game being serious to you? Them being able to present even a minor threat to the NCR or House is way more ridiculous than any of the crap FO4 pulls.
What about the sidequest with the ghouls who wanted to go to space? The entirety of OWB?

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

If Lorenzo is such a psychopath, why is it Jack that's been extracting blood for hundreds of years, hasn't gotten anywhere with a cure, but prefers to spend all that effort keeping him locked up instead of just killing him now?

That's not what a psychopath is, you literally just explained what Jack was doing in your very next paragraph.

Yeah, Jack has reasons for his actions, but so does Lorenzo, which is my point.

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

In the case of the Cabots being happy that he remain uncured forever, Wilhelmia scolds him before and during The Secret of Cabot House questline for imprisoning Lorenzo saying he should've never done it. While it can be argued that she's only saying this after the fact, the fact stills stands that even while Lorenzo isn't there she doesn't like that he's still imprisoned. Emogene can hardly even be referenced since she is absolutely pointless to the questline other than her one of appearance where you go rescue her.

It doesn't change the fact of Wilhelmina being complicit in taking the serum while knowing its source; any objection she might have is less important to her than having the serum. Whether or not you consider Emogene pointless, she's part of the Cabot family.

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Lorenzo, on the other hand, gets his revenge if released, but doesn't immediately go on a rampage across the Commonwealth. He's understandably angry at the people who imprisoned him for hundreds of years.

Whattya mean!? More likely than not whenever you find him in the Commonwealth he's surrounded by corpses. Even on the wiki it references the fact that he just murders things to study them, "He examines some dead ghoul settlers and tells the player character that he killed them to study their condition,"

It seems to be a ghoul-specific thing, rather than a general rampage.

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

They don't instantly die, but they lose the benefit of it keeping them young and healthy, as we see with Emogene. They don't need to keep a large supply on hand since they have regular shipments from the asylum.

WHATTYA MEAN!? In both my own game and in the wiki the Cabot family dies because they don't have enough serum to survive any longer, "He examines some dead ghoul settlers and tells the player character that he killed them to study their condition," Are you seriously going to argue the specifics of my usage of the word "instantly" in relation to their death?

I think Wilhelmina can die though it's not perfectly clear whether it was due to a lack of the serum, but the others just get old if Lorenzo doesn't kill them.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by big stupid jellyfish:

A group of unarmed hippies subdued and trapped Emogene in an room and locked the door. I'm pretty sure if you threw a couple of guns into the mix it wouldn't be too hard minus killing Lorenzo.

Her lover went out of their bedroom and locked the door lol. He didn't exactly subdue her. She also didn't take the serum for a while when we meet her, so she might not have had her superpowers any more.

She seems fairly relaxed about the whole thing, and suggests she didn't really need any help. She happily wanders off on her own to go home after you talk to her, and isn't the slightest bit worried about any danger along the way.

Originally posted by big stupid jellyfish:

Do you have to practice at being stupid or does it just come naturally for you?
Why the hell did a government just say "oh okay, we won't kill him for his crimes" and instead allow for him to be trapped in a mental asylum? This is pre-war too so it literally doesn't make any sense why this would happen!

Rich people get special treatment in the corrupt af pre-war america? Colour me surprised!

And insanity can even get non-rich people sent to asylums instead of jail.

[Gordon Freeman]

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[Kalsu]

It's not like half the rich people can avoid "regular" jail time with their money and influence. So silly to think that. It only happen in movies and video games...

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@Sucy Q did we change the names to protect the potentially innocent? Was the OP in regards to the Trump Administration?