The Cabot House Quest-Line

[「AMOEBA」]

I seriously need people's thoughts about this quest.

So I bought Fallout 4 a bit ago, I'm not a fan of the story nor the dialogue from what I've seen online but I've been told time and time again that the gameplay is good so I gave it a shot.

So far I've been able to bare the below average story and quests, but I'm honestly at my breaking point with this quest. The Cabot House questline is by far the worst questline I have ever seen in an RPG in my entire life. I have no idea how this quest even managed to escape someone's mind it's so bad.

You mean to tell me that there is a family of 4 that lived during the 19th century that found an alien artifact that halts their aging. That this family has been doing this for 400 years and nobody has noticed, nor killed any one of them throughout this time.

You mean to tell me that Jack's sister, idk wtf her name is, being the hoe that she is has not been killed by a random group of people just because?

You mean to tell me that 200 years ago, Lorenzo went on a rampage and was about to be sent on death row but was saved by Jack and put into an insane asylum that he's been in for 200 years to the present day ingame.

You mean to tell me that during these 200 years, Jack has not found a way to cure his father?

You mean to tell me that the Cabot family only had enough serum to survive another week to which they instantly die in game as a result of not having anymore?

This questline literally makes no sense, the fact that this is canon in Fallout is just f*cking insane. People keep saying that Fallout 76 is going to be bad because of the lack of a story but jesus christ look at what we have now!

[Eminem]

Bethesda has never been known for storytelling. Their games strength has ALWAYS been open world, non linear, do what you want to do...

If you want more of a linear gameplay and lots of movie cutscenes to convey a story as your end all be all, stick to old school Bioware titles.

[Rambit]

you should play Prey.

[red255]

So.

1.) they have above average strength and vitality from the serum, they won't get casually killed off.

2.) Cabot wasn't trying to cure his father. he was vamipiring off him for immortality.

3.) I imagine they moved a few times during the 150 or so years where it would have mattered.

4.) when did they mention Lorenzo was in prison going for death row? they started vampiring him LONG before 200 years passed, 400 years so they would have had to start vampiring him before his mother was likely to die.

5.) Not sure your question. shipments were interrupted. blood doesn't store too well. which is why people want you to always donate. or are you thinking those blood packs from pre-war should apply to Cabot's blood as well?

[Kalsu]

Originally posted by red255:

So.

1.) they have above average strength and vitality from the serum, they won't get casually killed off.

2.) Cabot wasn't trying to cure his father. he was vamipiring off him for immortality.

3.) I imagine they moved a few times during the 150 or so years where it would have mattered.

4.) when did they mention Lorenzo was in prison going for death row? they started vampiring him LONG before 200 years passed, 400 years so they would have had to start vampiring him before his mother was likely to die.

5.) Not sure your question. shipments were interrupted. blood doesn't store too well. which is why people want you to always donate. or are you thinking those blood packs from pre-war should apply to Cabot's blood as well?

You should replay this quest for point #4

https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Jack_Cabot%27s_dialogue

[Gordon Freeman]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1452448278 Don't you worry about Lorenzo, he's with me.

[jonnan.west]

Actually going by the data entries it's pretty obvious they weren't just 'Vampiring' him but they are trying to save him. In point of fact they're pretty clear that they're only willing to kill him because he's such a extraordinary threat to everyone.

Honestly in a universe with Xenos, Big MT, the crime families of Reno, Doctor Who, Monty Python, and Trek references, and a Red Ryder BB gun that can kill anything in the game, I really think you're terribly upset over a minor Lovecraftian sidequest that actually hangs together perfectly well.

I mean, unless *you* know how to remove an ancient Lemurian artifact that's warping the mind of someone?

[Gordon Freeman]

Originally posted by jonnan.west:

Actually going by the data entries it's pretty obvious they weren't just 'Vampiring' him but they are trying to save him. In point of fact they're pretty clear that they're only willing to kill him because he's such a extraordinary threat to everyone.

Honestly in a universe with Xenos, Big MT, the crime families of Reno, Doctor Who, Monty Python, and Trek references, and a Red Ryder BB gun that can kill anything in the game, I really think you're terribly upset over a minor Lovecraftian sidequest that actually hangs together perfectly well.

I mean, unless *you* know how to remove an ancient Lemurian artifact that's warping the mind of someone?

Besides Lorenzo is a bad ass companion.

[「AMOEBA」]

Originally posted by jonnan.west:

Actually going by the data entries it's pretty obvious they weren't just 'Vampiring' him but they are trying to save him. In point of fact they're pretty clear that they're only willing to kill him because he's such a extraordinary threat to everyone.

Honestly in a universe with Xenos, Big MT, the crime families of Reno, Doctor Who, Monty Python, and Trek references, and a Red Ryder BB gun that can kill anything in the game, I really think you're terribly upset over a minor Lovecraftian sidequest that actually hangs together perfectly well.

I mean, unless *you* know how to remove an ancient Lemurian artifact that's warping the mind of someone?

I shouldn't have to know how to remove a lemurian artifact from someone's head because it shouldn't in the game to begin with. I'm upset about this "minor" sidequest because it's stupid! I have no better words to describe it as other than just stupid! In a game that has an absolutely garbage main storyline, where the only solace is in playing the side quests, when those are mediocre at best and then you see this garbage that literally doesn't even attempt to make a lick of sense, what other reaction am I supposed to have?

Even using Fallout logic the whole plot of the quest makes zero sense whatsoever, there's more holes in the plot than swiss cheese. Never mind the fact that of course this quest follows the Fallout 4 trend of really obvious choices with no thought put into them whatsoever. It's like, hmm which do you choose? The good guy? or the psychopath with an alien artifact fused onto his head.

Jack: Don't release him, he'll reek havoc on the entire commonwealth!
Lorenzo: Nah fam, I pinkie swear I won't do it.

[Kalsu]

Why can't people understand that this game is a PARODY! If you don't know the 60s tropes you wont understand.

[Doombringer]

Someone here sounds like Strong when he doesn't get his milk of human kindness...

[Kalsu]

Originally posted by Doombringer:

Someone here sounds like Strong when he doesn't get his milk of human kindness...

Water for drinking. Not walking. Not swimming.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

Even using Fallout logic the whole plot of the quest makes zero sense whatsoever, there's more holes in the plot than swiss cheese. Never mind the fact that of course this quest follows the Fallout 4 trend of really obvious choices with no thought put into them whatsoever. It's like, hmm which do you choose? The good guy? or the psychopath with an alien artifact fused onto his head.

Jack: Don't release him, he'll reek havoc on the entire commonwealth!
Lorenzo: Nah fam, I pinkie swear I won't do it.

If Lorenzo is such a psychopath, why is it Jack that's been extracting blood for hundreds of years, hasn't gotten anywhere with a cure, but prefers to spend all that effort keeping him locked up instead of just killing him now?

But the quest isn't unreasonable about it. Jack appears to legitimately want to cure one of his few remaining family members in spite of the danger, but his position is morally compromised by the fact that he benefits from keeping him uncured, and the rest of the Cabots seem like they'd be happy with him remaining uncured forever (especially Emogene).

Lorenzo, on the other hand, gets his revenge if released, but doesn't immediately go on a rampage across the Commonwealth. He's understandably angry at the people who imprisoned him for hundreds of years.

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

You mean to tell me that the Cabot family only had enough serum to survive another week to which they instantly die in game as a result of not having anymore?

They don't instantly die, but they lose the benefit of it keeping them young and healthy, as we see with Emogene. They don't need to keep a large supply on hand since they have regular shipments from the asylum.

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by jonnan.west:

I mean, unless *you* know how to remove an ancient Lemurian artifact that's warping the mind of someone?

All my artifacts were specifically designed to not be removed unless you bought the extended warranty. Not my problem they were cheap.

[「AMOEBA」]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

Jack: Don't release him, he'll reek havoc on the entire commonwealth!
Lorenzo: Nah fam, I pinkie swear I won't do it.

If Lorenzo is such a psychopath, why is it Jack that's been extracting blood for hundreds of years, hasn't gotten anywhere with a cure, but prefers to spend all that effort keeping him locked up instead of just killing him now?

That's not what a psychopath is, you literally just explained what Jack was doing in your very next paragraph.

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

But the quest isn't unreasonable about it. Jack appears to legitimately want to cure one of his few remaining family members in spite of the danger, -snip- the Cabots seem like they'd be happy with him remaining uncured forever (especially Emogene).

This paragraph is just objectively false. In the case of the Cabots being happy that he remain uncured forever, Wilhelmia scolds him before and during The Secret of Cabot House questline for imprisoning Lorenzo saying he should've never done it. While it can be argued that she's only saying this after the fact, the fact stills stands that even while Lorenzo isn't there she doesn't like that he's still imprisoned. Emogene can hardly even be referenced since she is absolutely pointless to the questline other than her one of appearance where you go rescue her.

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Lorenzo, on the other hand, gets his revenge if released, but doesn't immediately go on a rampage across the Commonwealth. He's understandably angry at the people who imprisoned him for hundreds of years.

Whattya mean!? More likely than not whenever you find him in the Commonwealth he's surrounded by corpses. Even on the wiki it references the fact that he just murders things to study them, "He examines some dead ghoul settlers and tells the player character that he killed them to study their condition,"

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Sucy Q:

You mean to tell me that the Cabot family only had enough serum to survive another week to which they instantly die in game as a result of not having anymore?

They don't instantly die, but they lose the benefit of it keeping them young and healthy, as we see with Emogene. They don't need to keep a large supply on hand since they have regular shipments from the asylum.

WHATTYA MEAN!? In both my own game and in the wiki the Cabot family dies because they don't have enough serum to survive any longer, "He examines some dead ghoul settlers and tells the player character that he killed them to study their condition," Are you seriously going to argue the specifics of my usage of the word "instantly" in relation to their death?

[polarforscher]

The sad thing is that the Cabot-Questline -bad as it is- is still one of the better quests. You already met the Fridge-Ghoul Billy ?
What I don't get is why most of the quests are so terrible but we know for sure, that they COULD really do marvellous quests. The Vault-Quest in Far-Harbour for example was so enjoyable.