Is luck worth it for non crit builds?

[MTV]

I always neglect luck because I don't use vats in my game. Is luck worth using if you don't use vats mode at all?

Some of the perks look nice but it doesn't look good enough if you are a non vats user.

[The Infamous Cloaker]

Using Idiot Savant is the reason why Luck is always a high priority as it will allow you to level so insanely fast compared with normal

[MTV]

Originally posted by The Infamous Cloaker:

Using Idiot Savant is the reason why Luck is always a high priority as it will allow you to level so insanely fast compared with normal

I'll have to try that but don't you need to nerf your intelligence for idiot savant? I dunno if not being able to mod your guns is worth the tradeoff for faster leveling. Then again this game doesn't have a level cap. I suppose I could try it and raise intelligence later on..

[The Infamous Cloaker]

If you really want to min-max it you can not put more than 2 in your INT early on due to how the calculations works. With a INT of 2 you will have a 10% chance to proc Idiot savant and yes, it is better to go with Idiot savant early and get you int up later as it is quite an overated SPECIAL.

The most important special if you really want to min-max is Endurance due to the health calculation

[Doombringer]

Scrounger is nice
Bloody Mess is great
Idiot Savant can be useful (you generally want to start with it if you plan on using it though)
Beyond that you would be spending a lot of perks to not get a lot of value if you don't use VATS...

[Mr.MilkMann]

Originally posted by The Infamous Cloaker:

If you really want to min-max it you can not put more than 2 in your INT early on due to how the calculations works. With a INT of 2 you will have a 10% chance to proc Idiot savant and yes, it is better to go with Idiot savant early and get you int up later as it is quite an overated SPECIAL.

The most important special if you really want to min-max is Endurance due to the health calculation

Idiot savant has never been worth it in my experience, due to the incredibly powerful crafting perks in Intelligence. While Savant is amazing early game, it's atrociously detrimental late-game.

[The Infamous Cloaker]

Originally posted by Mr.MilkMann:

Originally posted by The Infamous Cloaker:

If you really want to min-max it you can not put more than 2 in your INT early on due to how the calculations works. With a INT of 2 you will have a 10% chance to proc Idiot savant and yes, it is better to go with Idiot savant early and get you int up later as it is quite an overated SPECIAL.

The most important special if you really want to min-max is Endurance due to the health calculation

Idiot savant has never been worth it in my experience, due to the incredibly powerful crafting perks in Intelligence. While Savant is amazing early game, it's atrociously detrimental late-game.

Melee Builds don't need them perks, also you can just wait and get lucky with traders having weapons attachments and stuff

[MTV]

I wouldn't say intelligence is overatted though. Nerd rage is one of the best perks in the game. That perk has saved me from death many a time.

I always go for 10 endurance on Survivial. I think it's a must for how squishy you are.

[The Infamous Cloaker]

Originally posted by M'aiq:

I wouldn't say intelligence is overatted though. Nerd rage is one of the best perks in the game. That perk has saved me from death many a time.

I always go for 10 endurance on Survivial. I think it's a must for how squishy you are.

Nerd rage is not that good, just get a piece of martyr gear instead. Also doesn't help that Nerd Rage is prone to not proc at times due to bugs

[Stardustfire]

Im a none Vats player and Bloody mess is ever worth it, also dont forget luck influence you chance to find legendary enemys, means legeendary loot.

[MTV]

Originally posted by Stardustfire:

Im a none Vats player and Bloody mess is ever worth it, also dont forget luck influence you chance to find legendary enemys, means legeendary loot.

I've heard that's incorrect. I've been told that only game difficulty influences that and I already play on Survival mode

[Tesityr]

Luck affects far, far more than just Crits... It affects the value of items found in Containers (Modifications, etc) and amount of Ammo found in Containers. It also affects Legendaries and their occurrence.

For example, on a high Luck build character playthrough, I find about 4-6 Legendaries in buildings/areas while on Quests in that area/building - this is on NORMAL.

It's fine if you ignore Luck, but even the introduction cinematic for Luck states it affects far more than just Criticals (also, the Official Game Guide lists a bunch of things it affects).

Since you get Perk Points every Level, there's no sense in not maxing it out, eventually :) Have fun with it!

[MTV]

I plan on making a luck character soon for idiot savant. I also wanna see if the legendary drop rate thing is true or not

[Doombringer]

Originally posted by Tesityr:

Luck affects far, far more than just Crits... It affects the value of items found in Containers (Modifications, etc) and amount of Ammo found in Containers. It also affects Legendaries and their occurrence.

For example, on a high Luck build character playthrough, I find about 4-6 Legendaries in buildings/areas while on Quests in that area/building - this is on NORMAL.

It's fine if you ignore Luck, but even the introduction cinematic for Luck states it affects far more than just Criticals (also, the Official Game Guide lists a bunch of things it affects).

Since you get Perk Points every Level, there's no sense in not maxing it out, eventually :) Have fun with it!

Luck does not affect as much as you think it does.
Container loot is set from leveled lists, which can easily be looked up, they do not check luck.
There is even a loot rolling simulator in the creation kit so you don't have to go in game to see.
It only cares about level.
(in Creation Kit: LeveledItems --> Container_Loot_<whatever container type>)

Legendaries chance is based on difficulty and level only.
Here is LegendaryChanceQuest:
(uses script QF_LegendaryChanceQuest_00165570.psc)

if game.GetPlayer().GetLevel() > 50
ChanceLegendary.SetValue(20)
elseif game.GetPlayer().GetLevel() > 40
ChanceLegendary.SetValue(18)
elseif game.GetPlayer().GetLevel() > 30
ChanceLegendary.SetValue(15)
elseif game.GetPlayer().GetLevel() > 20
ChanceLegendary.SetValue(12)
elseif game.GetPlayer().GetLevel() > 5
ChanceLegendary.SetValue(10)

ChanceLegendary is a Global Value that is used by many different Actors (79 types, but many spawns for each type. For example LvlRaider is 1 type, but with 210 different spawns...) to determine if they spawn as a legendary.

[White Knight]

Well I know that luck will help you get some pie!

Beyond that, I find luck is overrated. Skill is far more reliable.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Doombringer:

Container loot is set from leveled lists, which can easily be looked up, they do not check luck.
There is even a loot rolling simulator in the creation kit so you don't have to go in game to see.
It only cares about level.

Specific Luck perks like Scrounger do add something else to containers, as I recall, but it's not a direct Luck effect.