Maxon's Age?! I am VERY Confused

[Shadow The Innkeep]

Alright, this keeps bugging me, and I was hoping someone can help me figure this out?....

Wiki says Maxson is 20 y.o during the events of FO4 (moment he and the Prydwen arrive in the Commonwealth). Ergo, 10 yrs difference between FO3 and FO4. He has been appointed Elder only at the age of 16, so he has been in charge of the Chapter for 4 years only. So why BoS members like Kells and Danse keeps saying "in mere decade" he turned BoS around?! 4 years is not decade, and I doubt he had much say before turning 16. Yeah, he has solid combat resume, but really doesn't mean he ruled BoS before becoming Elder.

So either I am missing something, or lore timeframe is really out of whack. He should be at least 26 at the time of FO4 for decade references make sense.

I am really confused by timeline of the lore and the game, especially when things like this keep popping up.

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by Two Bears High-Fiving:

Fallout 4 doesn't even follow the lore of F3 let alone the rest of the games. Don't question it. It just works.

Not only is this not true but its not helpful either. Why even comment at all?

[raubrey]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Originally posted by Two Bears High-Fiving:

Fallout 4 doesn't even follow the lore of F3 let alone the rest of the games. Don't question it. It just works.

Works better than the dozen or so low-energy troll threads you attempted to start this week alone. That much we do know.

*snorkle*

[DouglasGrave]

There are some things that can be pinned down more firmly, but generalized in-game comments from NPCs aren't amongst them. We can probably trust the Pipboy on the year the game occurs.

As for Maxson's age, maybe the people are thinking of ten years because he started to become more active then, doing things before he ever became Elder. Or maybe it's propaganda by Maxson. Or maybe they're just remembering it as a bit longer than it is. Or a bit of all three. When people in-game say things, you have to take their perspective as individuals into account with regard to what they know and how they think about it.

I mean, Nick Valentine talks about his experience of waking up with the memories of a man who was dead for two hundred years, but when he actually woke up, it was at least fifty years less than that (and may well have been closer to a hundred).

[DrNewcenstein]

It is stated in the game that F4 takes place 10 years after the events of F3. The player leaves Vault 111 210 years after the bombs fell, which means Nick Valentine could only be 10 years old.
That is entirely possible, making him the same model as Harkness.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

It is stated in the game that F4 takes place 10 years after the events of F3. The player leaves Vault 111 210 years after the bombs fell, which means Nick Valentine could only be 10 years old.
That is entirely possible, making him the same model as Harkness.

By Nick's own statements, he's been around much longer than that, back at some point more than 60 years previously, before the Institute developed Gen 3 synths.

[red255]

Indeed, you don't need to be the president to turn the country around. He was a commander of some sort of mission that brought the outcasts back into the fold

he wasn't the commander during fallout 3, fallout 3 was 2277, Maxon was still a child, Fallout 4 is 2287 ten years later.

His father was still in charge of the brotherhood and Sarah was still alive, so the kid didn't take his role as Elder maxon until some time later, so no, he's not going to be in Command of the entire brotherhood for 10 years.

but he was a MEMBER of the brotherhood in a command position leading a troop at least like Danse for 10 years.

[raubrey]

Originally posted by DrNewcenstein:

It is stated in the game that F4 takes place 10 years after the events of F3. The player leaves Vault 111 210 years after the bombs fell, which means Nick Valentine could only be 10 years old.
That is entirely possible, making him the same model as Harkness.

That doesn't mean Nick was born (created) in that time-frame. He was "brother" to Dimas and a discarded prototype model, well indicated the time was before the start of Fallout 4 or even 3, when Synths began looking human.

[Shadow The Innkeep]

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Owyn and Sarah Lyons both died very close together. After Sarah fell, that's where they start officially recording Maxson's career, 10 years before Fallout 4. He had slowly been gathing support since the chain of ineffective elders up until reunification.

I hate to use this example, but it's just like how Hitler's career didn't start in 1939, or even 1933, he did a lot of legwork leading up to that.

Let's not being Hitler into this, A) I'm Russian and it's Great Victory Day holiday for me and have rather strong negative feelings towards Hitler and B) people already mistakenly think of Maxson as interpretation of Hitler within FO universe, and it cringes me every time i read about it.

Originally posted by red255:

His father was still in charge of the brotherhood

Maxon's father was never in charge of BoS... His father's name was John and he was a high-ranking Paladin within BoS who died in line of duty when Arthur was very little. Elder Lyons was his tutor, not father

[Shadow The Innkeep]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

There are some things that can be pinned down more firmly, but generalized in-game comments from NPCs aren't amongst them. We can probably trust the Pipboy on the year the game occurs.

As for Maxson's age, maybe the people are thinking of ten years because he started to become more active then, doing things before he ever became Elder. Or maybe it's propaganda by Maxson. Or maybe they're just remembering it as a bit longer than it is. Or a bit of all three. When people in-game say things, you have to take their perspective as individuals into account with regard to what they know and how they think about it.

I mean, Nick Valentine talks about his experience of waking up with the memories of a man who was dead for two hundred years, but when he actually woke up, it was at least fifty years less than that (and may well have been closer to a hundred).

I mean, I see NPCs and whatthey say as players' Codex of the in-game world and lore (other than terminal entries and diaries), so what they say is important to me. You see, I tend to play games like this relying on what I hear from characters without having a wiki open next to me at all times. I check with it maybe later to learn more than it is revealed, but NPCs are always my primary source of lore-building information. So it can be pretty confusing, if see what I'm saying. That's why I got puzzled - while I know Maxson's background pretty well, small things like this still puzzle me. I am very lore-oriented person and digging in histories of the world beside the one we live in is what attracts me to games of this kind (why I love TES/ESO as well). Reason why I think having a novel series based on FO games would be a bomb to have, that would fill in so many lore plot holes AND develop more stories between games (Idk, i enjoyed reading a few WoW books, AC series and GW books series). I'm sure many fallout fans would buy those ina heartbeat

[GoreTiger]

I believe Maxson's age in Fallout 3 was 14.


Maxon didn't become elder immediatly after The Lyons bloodline died out. There were elders In-between that Tore the Brotherhood apart and nearly ruined them. And in their weakness from this a super Mutant Rebellion rose up in the Commonwealth. Maxson's claim to elderhood came from him personally slaying the leader of this rebellion, Shephard.

Originally posted by Naveena Vice:

Originally posted by Hobo Misanthropus:

Owyn and Sarah Lyons both died very close together. After Sarah fell, that's where they start officially recording Maxson's career, 10 years before Fallout 4. He had slowly been gathing support since the chain of ineffective elders up until reunification.

I hate to use this example, but it's just like how Hitler's career didn't start in 1939, or even 1933, he did a lot of legwork leading up to that.

Let's not being Hitler into this, A) I'm Russian and it's Great Victory Day holiday for me and have rather strong negative feelings towards Hitler and B) people already mistakenly think of Maxson as interpretation of Hitler within FO universe, and it cringes me every time i read about it.

Originally posted by red255:

His father was still in charge of the brotherhood

Maxon's father was never in charge of BoS... His father's name was John and he was a high-ranking Paladin within BoS who died in line of duty when Arthur was very little. Elder Lyons was his tutor, not father

Soviet Union killed more people than Hitler ever did. Enjoy your VE day.

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by KrayToast:

I believe Maxson's age in Fallout 3 was 14.

No he was specifically born in 2267 so as of Fallout 4 he is 20 since it starts in October 2287 with wiggle room for a year so he might be 21.

Its not that surprising. The Lone Wanderer was only 19 when he because thr badass he/she was.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Metadragon:

Originally posted by KrayToast:

I believe Maxson's age in Fallout 3 was 14.

No he was specifically born in 2267 so as of Fallout 4 he is 20 since it starts in October 2287 with wiggle room for a year so he might be 21.

Its not that surprising. The Lone Wanderer was only 19 when he because thr badass he/she was.

With the Vault Dweller it could be as low as about 16.

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by Metadragon:

No he was specifically born in 2267 so as of Fallout 4 he is 20 since it starts in October 2287 with wiggle room for a year so he might be 21.

Its not that surprising. The Lone Wanderer was only 19 when he because thr badass he/she was.

With the Vault Dweller it could be as low as about 16.

exactly

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by Metadragon:

Originally posted by KrayToast:

I believe Maxson's age in Fallout 3 was 14.

No he was specifically born in 2267 so as of Fallout 4 he is 20 since it starts in October 2287 with wiggle room for a year so he might be 21.

Its not that surprising. The Lone Wanderer was only 19 when he because thr badass he/she was.

where did it say that? I thought maxson in F3 stated he was 14.

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by KrayToast:

Originally posted by Metadragon:

No he was specifically born in 2267 so as of Fallout 4 he is 20 since it starts in October 2287 with wiggle room for a year so he might be 21.

Its not that surprising. The Lone Wanderer was only 19 when he because thr badass he/she was.

where did it say that? I thought maxson in F3 stated he was 14.

The lore states he took over the Brotherhood at 16 in 2283. which means back in 2277 when Fallout 3 took place he was 10. The Lone Wanderer was 19 and if he still lives is 29.