Obsidian should be given the Fallout License.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FisYHeay4HA

LOL

[R3dAlert93]

Nguyên văn bởi Hobo Misanthropus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FisYHeay4HA

LOL

Totally agree

[GoreTiger]

Don't forget that Obsidian got treated dirty by Bethesda in the end too. Bethesda was in charge of Bug-Testing the end-game product of New Vegas. And as we know they did about as bad of a job bug testing New Vegas as they did Fallout 3. Obsidian had a deal with Bethesda to get a Bonus if NV reached an 85% Metacritic rating. But it only reached 84%, One point away. The reason? Game bugs. So no bonus, And Obsidian had to lay off a bunch of people. It's even funnier when you fast forward to now when Fallout 4 also sets at an 84% metacritic rating with a much lower User rating than New Vegas or Fallout 3.

[JocularJosh]

Nguyên văn bởi 「Justice」:

I agree with Kray, New Vegas was better. The factions were better and more creative aaaand the characters were well written. I like Fallout 4 but sometimes it just feels like a settlement simulator and I hate how the game pushes you to join Preston.

While New Vegas had the better writing FO4 is still more enjoyable to me.
New Vegas was just a big, empty desert with boring and empty locations and barely anything to explore.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Nguyên văn bởi KrayToast:

Don't forget that Obsidian got treated dirty by Bethesda in the end too. Bethesda was in charge of Bug-Testing the end-game product of New Vegas. And as we know they did about as bad of a job bug testing New Vegas as they did Fallout 3. Obsidian had a deal with Bethesda to get a Bonus if NV reached an 85% Metacritic rating. But it only reached 84%, One point away. The reason? Game bugs. So no bonus, And Obsidian had to lay off a bunch of people. It's even funnier when you fast forward to now when Fallout 4 also sets at an 84% metacritic rating with a much lower User rating than New Vegas or Fallout 3.

LOL

[GoreTiger]

Nguyên văn bởi Jocular Josh:

Nguyên văn bởi 「Justice」:

I agree with Kray, New Vegas was better. The factions were better and more creative aaaand the characters were well written. I like Fallout 4 but sometimes it just feels like a settlement simulator and I hate how the game pushes you to join Preston.

While New Vegas had the better writing FO4 is still more enjoyable to me.
New Vegas was just a big, empty desert with boring and empty locations and barely anything to explore.

Fallout 4 feels like that too tho. You have this Giant city, With little explination WHY the city has so many buildings standing even tho a Nuclear Bomb went off just a few miles out, And yet other than the Various minor factions fighting inside, There isn't much there but empty buildings. Bethesda made alot of Empty places in fallout 4 for the sake of Spawning junk for the player to salvage. At Least with New Vegas that explained why Vegas survived and the Geological positioning of major Settlements around the only fresh-water source for Miles while farther out it's harder to find people makes sense.

[JocularJosh]

Nguyên văn bởi KrayToast:

Nguyên văn bởi Jocular Josh:

While New Vegas had the better writing FO4 is still more enjoyable to me.
New Vegas was just a big, empty desert with boring and empty locations and barely anything to explore.

Fallout 4 feels like that too tho. You have this Giant city, With little explination WHY the city has so many buildings standing even tho a Nuclear Bomb went off just a few miles out, And yet other than the Various minor factions fighting inside, There isn't much there but empty buildings. Bethesda made alot of Empty places in fallout 4 for the sake of Spawning junk for the player to salvage. At Least with New Vegas that explained why Vegas survived and the Geological positioning of major Settlements around the only fresh-water source for Miles while farther out it's harder to find people makes sense.

I don't care about the lore behind those places or why it makes sense for New Vegas to be empty. It's still that: Empty and boring.
FO4 has TONS of locations to explore and the majority of those places reward you for the exploration and give you at least SOMETHING.
I remember mutliple places in New Vegas where I found absolutely nothing. Just some empty buildings without anything in them, not even a terminal or something for some little lore or whatever.
Of course most of the buildings within the city in FO4 are empty, creating an interior to enter for every building would have taken ages.

[Yhwach]

Nguyên văn bởi Jocular Josh:

Nguyên văn bởi KrayToast:

Fallout 4 feels like that too tho. You have this Giant city, With little explination WHY the city has so many buildings standing even tho a Nuclear Bomb went off just a few miles out, And yet other than the Various minor factions fighting inside, There isn't much there but empty buildings. Bethesda made alot of Empty places in fallout 4 for the sake of Spawning junk for the player to salvage. At Least with New Vegas that explained why Vegas survived and the Geological positioning of major Settlements around the only fresh-water source for Miles while farther out it's harder to find people makes sense.

I don't care about the lore behind those places or why it makes sense for New Vegas to be empty. It's still that: Empty and boring.
FO4 has TONS of locations to explore and the majority of those places reward you for the exploration and give you at least SOMETHING.
I remember mutliple places in New Vegas where I found absolutely nothing. Just some empty buildings without anything in them, not even a terminal or something for some little lore or whatever.
Of course most of the buildings within the city in FO4 are empty, creating an interior to enter for every building would have taken ages.

Beantown Interiors tries to remedy that, It's more or less a case of the same buildings with the same interiors being used over, and over again with the same loot that they didn't want to bother with, probably.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Kray doesn't understand that when you adjust for the 1:6 scale, the Atomic Bomb actually detonated over 10 miles away in a mountain range, which is well outside the total-destruction zone of any ICBM warhaead in the US arsenal. The city would have survived the blast mostly intact. Boston is also largely stonework/brickwork construction, so auto-ignition firestorms would be minimal. The 200 years of weathering, probably should have leveled the city though.

[AlexMBrennan]

While New Vegas had the better writing FO4 is still more enjoyable to me.
New Vegas was just a big, empty desert with boring and empty locations and barely anything to explore.

Fallout 4 is a reasonably competent shooter, but what can you actually *do* to affect the world? Nothing. You can't do any quests without being saddled with lobotomite settlements to babysit. Camp Forlorn Hope managed to engage me more than all of Fallout 4 combined - killing the same Corvega raiders for the hundredth time so you can play lego isn't really what I wanted from an RPG.

[GoreTiger]

Nguyên văn bởi Hobo Misanthropus:

Kray doesn't understand that when you adjust for the 1:6 scale, the Atomic Bomb actually detonated over 10 miles away in a mountain range, which is well outside the total-destruction zone of any ICBM warhaead in the US arsenal. The city would have survived the blast mostly intact. Boston is also largely stonework/brickwork construction, so auto-ignition firestorms would be minimal. The 200 years of weathering, probably should have leveled the city though.

Except the stories we get told in-game contradict that. Not to mention the strongest Nuclear warhead in a real-world post Communist country is the Tsar Bomba with a Destruction range of 7.7 Miles and a Thermal Radiation range up to 43 miles. Of course we don't know exackly how big or what type of bomb the Chinese used in the Great war, But from what we see in the pre-war opening scene, mixed with the account of the Submarine commander, Logically most of the buildings shouldn't be standing.

The Shock wave from the blast was strong enough to reach out even to Sanctuary, Collapsing Houses, Tearing roofs off, And doing other major Damage.
According to the submarine commander, The city was "Already on fire" when he Arrived. but you don't see much of any actual fire damage in Boston.
And lastly, The Earthquake caused from the detonation of a Nuclear Weapon so close to the city should of Rocked Boston. Things like Trinity tower SHOULD NOT be standing.

I get the whole "yeah we scaled things back so the player had a city to explore" thing, But at least New Vegas explained why Vegas survived, And D.C actually looked like it took the right amount of Damage. Boston just looks like most of its damage comes from Neglect over 200 years than an Actual atomic bomb.

[Simpson3k]

Well the bomb aimed at that guardian structure where the missile silos where near Boston and even that pyramid structure survived the impact, even though it obivously was inside the explosions plasma ball.. so its not that surprising that structures remained in the outer reaches of the shock wave...

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Kray doesn't understand that the Wetlands around Quincy would cut and absorb the vast majority of the shear wind. Wetlands are so effective at doing this, the US government cultivates wetlands around the Gulf Region to cut hurrican landfall winds.

[Incunabulum]

Nguyên văn bởi Wurt:

The battle of the apologists will be a massive, epic, special effects extravaganzaaaaa!

Geez, you guys are *still* butthurt?

[AscendedViking7]

I agree completely.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Nguyên văn bởi Incunabulum:

Nguyên văn bởi Wurt:

The battle of the apologists will be a massive, epic, special effects extravaganzaaaaa!

Geez, you guys are *still* butthurt?

The emperor has no clothes, and the fanboys don't like what they see. Sorry Obsidian wasn't all you wanted them to be.

Nguyên văn bởi clambchowder:

I agree completely.

Glad to see someone supports the Federal Labor case against Obisidian too! They can't keep getting away with these disgusting business practices.