Two Shot or Instigating Gauss Rifle?

[Zux]

Which one do you think is the better roll for a sniper build?

Also, what level do you need to be for Gauss Rifles to start appearing on legendary enemies?

[Chaosium]

Level 36 for the legendary variants.

I'd go with Instigating because you'll oneshot pretty much everything at full health. Two shot is good for prolonged battles, but it's not the kind of weapon you're going to use all day because of how rare the ammo is

[Bored Peon]

Two shot does not always mean the second shot hits. Especially if you are not using VATS.

[Zux]

Originally posted by Chaosium:

Level 36 for the legendary variants.

I'd go with Instigating because you'll oneshot pretty much everything at full health. Two shot is good for prolonged battles, but it's not the kind of weapon you're going to use all day because of how rare the ammo is

Okay! Once i get to level 36+ i'll keep an eye out! thanks for the info. Will definitely go for instigating then for the bigger targets.

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Two shot does not always mean the second shot hits. Especially if you are not using VATS.

Yeah i've heard quite a bit that two shot can be pretty interesting because of the accuracy loss or something along those lines. Appreciate the info as well!

[Zux]

Originally posted by Zux:

Originally posted by Chaosium:

Level 36 for the legendary variants.

I'd go with Instigating because you'll oneshot pretty much everything at full health. Two shot is good for prolonged battles, but it's not the kind of weapon you're going to use all day because of how rare the ammo is

Okay! Once i get to level 36+ i'll keep an eye out! thanks for the info. Will definitely go for instigating then for the bigger targets.

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Two shot does not always mean the second shot hits. Especially if you are not using VATS.

Yeah i've heard quite a bit that two shot can be pretty interesting on snipers because of the accuracy loss or something along those lines. Appreciate the info as well!

[deidian]

Consider Junkie's aswell. It carries a very powerfull punch given some addictions.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by deidian:

Consider Junkie's aswell. It carries a very powerfull punch given some addictions.

Does it compensate well enough for the addiction withdrawal effects though?

I suppose losing 1 special for each addiction aint such a big thing.

I never really looked into it with Fallout 4, but with Fallout 76 the trade off in stat loss was definitely not worth it because the SPECIALs matter more there.

[Zux]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by deidian:

Consider Junkie's aswell. It carries a very powerfull punch given some addictions.

Does it compensate well enough for the addiction withdrawal effects though?

I suppose losing 1 special for each addiction aint such a big thing.

I never really looked into it with Fallout 4, but with Fallout 76 the trade off in stat loss was definitely not worth it because the SPECIALs matter more there.

Yeah, I feel like in Fallout 4 a junkie build could be very very good, because you can get gear that give +1 Strength & +1 Endurance and stuff like that to kind of bypass the addiction minuses.

Could be very strong though with the proper build i think. But, with the build i have rn i dont see much advantage, would rather go for an instigating if it's possible for my rng to give it to me xD

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Zux:

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Does it compensate well enough for the addiction withdrawal effects though?

I suppose losing 1 special for each addiction aint such a big thing.

I never really looked into it with Fallout 4, but with Fallout 76 the trade off in stat loss was definitely not worth it because the SPECIALs matter more there.

Yeah, I feel like in Fallout 4 a junkie build could be very very good, because you can get gear that give +1 Strength & +1 Endurance and stuff like that to kind of bypass the addiction minuses.

Could be very strong though with the proper build i think. But, with the build i have rn i dont see much advantage, would rather go for an instigating if it's possible for my rng to give it to me xD

Well in Fallout 4 you can basically get to 11 in all stats before you apply legendary bonuses. In Fallout 76 you are far more limited in your SPECIALs because you are limited to the 49 points. Wher ein Fallout 4 you start with 21 points and can invest to 10 in each.

[BlazeD]

Junkies: No. You need 3 withdrawals for maximum boost having messed up stats affects everything, not just combat.

Get instigating for sniping.

[DouglasGrave]

Two Shot is very good as an all-round effect, but when it comes to sniping, you'll almost always want Instigating, since the ideal sniping shot kills a target in one hit.

Two Shot also doesn't directly double current damage, but instead adds the weapon's base damage again with that second shot. So a fully upgraded gauss rifle that gets Two Shot receives the equivalent of a non-upgraded gauss rifle shot as the overall addition to damage.

[ut]

I think two shot is better for automatic weapons? Maybe explosive rounds are better, I'm not sure.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by ut:

I think two shot is better for automatic weapons? Maybe explosive rounds are better, I'm not sure.

Usually it's Explosive, but it depends on the exact weapon since they're both powerful effects.

Instigating favours heavy single shots because its effectiveness generally depends on multiplying the full damage of the weapon's shot, while effects like Explosive that add on damage favour light, rapid shots because they instead depend on that multiplying their own effect. Two Shot is split between the two extremes, since it depends on the base part of the weapon's damage, but also multiplies itself per shot.

So an automatic weapon whose basic damage (with no modifications) is already good will gain more from Two Shot than one with low base damage. In turn, Explosive will make a bigger difference on an automatic weapon with low base damage because its effect doesn't depend on anything except the fire rate.

[Kimmaz]

I read that two shot does not apply any bonuses to the second shot, when you got a few damage perks and stuff perhaps the +25% damage will give more damage than two shot?

[BlazeD]

I am not sure what you are asking, kimmaz. If you are comparing weapons, the second bullet of a 2-shot weapon is about 45% of the base damage of the first bullet (pretty sure, havn't dug into the files in a while). Any damage you add via perks and stuff still applies to the 2-shots first bullet anyway so, no.

Regular weapon with skillz: +25%
2-shot weapon with skillz : +(25%+45%)
2-shot weapon with no skillz: +45%

[Solomon Hawk]

Knee-capper maxed and Special stats to make it hit like a mini-nuke without the explosion.