134 esp limit? I thought it was 255.

[NoyehThe]

My game just absolutely refuses to take more than 129. It's frustrating me beyond belief because why do I need to settle for a little over half the actual limit. I assume it's something with my load order but I spent an hour in NMM changing it around in specific ways because Vortex is just a bad frontend. I didn't organize them by mod author's wishes because I can't go through under 100 mods to just try and find specific mod orders, some of which are unspecified and unclear.

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 ArmorKeywords.esm
8 8 HUDFramework.esm
9 9 Homemaker.esm
10 a StartMeUp.esp
11 b Insignificant Object Remover.esp
12 c Armorsmith Extended.esp
13 d Synth Overhaul.esp
14 e Synth Overhaul - No level requirements Patch.esp
15 f Synth Overhaul - White Patch.esp
16 10 W.A.T.Minutemen.esp
17 11 RaiderOverhaul.esp
18 12 SuperMutantRedux.esp
19 13 SuperMutantRedux_ArmorSmithExtended.esp
20 14 BTInteriors_Project.esp
21 15 SettlementMenuManager.esp
22 16 dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp
23 17 Conquest.esp
24 18 SSEX.esp
25 19 OCDecorator.esp
26 1a OCDispenser.esp
27 1b OCDecoratorDLC.esp
28 1c Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp
29 1d CREAtiveClutter.esp
30 1e dinoshelf.esp
31 1f dinoshelf_extra_ammo.esp
32 20 Workshop_Planters.esp
33 21 Crafting Workbench.esp
34 22 Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
35 23 Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Expanded.esp
36 24 Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp
37 25 Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp
38 26 Crafting Workbenches - Pre War and Manufactured.esp
39 27 AdvSettleTurretSet-RealNP.esp
40 28 AkaSinger.esp
41 29 AkaSingersWardrobe.esp
42 2a BetterJunkFences.esp
43 2b SOU All-in-one.esp
44 2c AutomatronUnlocked.esp
45 2d LongerPowerLines3x.esp
46 2e Higher Female Protagonist Voice - Type U2.esp
47 2f Higher Female Protagonist Voice - Type U2 - DLC1-Automatron.esp
48 30 WeightlessJunk.esp
49 31 WeightlessAid.esp
50 32 WeightlessSpecialAmmo.esp
51 33 BetterModDescriptions.esp
52 34 LooksMenu.esp
53 35 LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
54 36 Immersive HUD.esp
55 37 WeightlessMods.esp
56 38 Move (Get Out the Way).esp
57 39 SalvageRobotParts.esp
58 3a RichMerchants.esp
59 3b ImmersiveVendors.esp
60 3c BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
61 3d Realistic_conversations.esp
62 3e BetterSettlers.esp
63 3f Companion Infinite Ammo and Unbreakable Power Armour.esp
64 40 Real Roads HD.esp
65 41 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
66 42 3dscopes-replacer.esp
67 43 Grasslands - Healthy.esp
68 44 Fr4nssonsLightTweaks.esp
Weaponsmith Extended 2.esp
69 45 CBBE.esp
70 46 PlayerHeadTracking.esp
71 47 Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
72 48 LegendaryModification.esp
73 49 LegendaryModification2LM.esp
dD - Limited Blood Decals.esp
74 4a LegendaryModificationMisc.esp
75 4b LegendaryModificationGroknak.esp
LegendaryModification2LMConcealed.esp
76 4c AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
77 4d AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
78 4e AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Ballistic Weave.esp
79 4f AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - No Crafting Perks.esp
80 50 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp
81 51 KSHairdos.esp
82 52 Quieter Settlements - Contraptions.esp
83 53 Quieter Settlements - Vanilla.esp
84 54 Quieter Settlements - Wasteland Workshop.esp
85 55 BetterModDescriptionsAE.esp
86 56 BetterModDescriptionsLM2LMVeryEasy.esp
87 57 BetterModDescriptionsLMVeryEasy.esp
88 58 BetterModDescriptionsLMGroknakVeryEasy.esp
89 59 BetterModDescriptionsLMMiscVeryEasy.esp
90 5a More Armor Slots - All Dlc.esp
91 5b Mercenary.esp
92 5c BetterModDescriptionsROWIP.esp
93 5d BetterModDescriptionsSTCSReplacer.esp
94 5e VisibleWeapons.esp
95 5f CROSS_Cybernetics.esp
96 60 Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
97 61 Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
98 62 Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
99 63 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
100 64 Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
101 65 Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
102 66 Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp
103 67 SettleObjExpandPack.esp
104 68 TheKite_CaitSet.esp
SettleObjExpandPack-AutoDoorsPatch.esp
105 69 MisriahArmory.esp
106 6a Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
107 6b More Power Armour Mods.esp
108 6c ASA.esp
109 6d ApalLeotard.esp
110 6e Dickys Pinup Outfit.esp
111 6f Extended weapon mods.esp
112 70 Laurent's Robot Skins.esp
113 71 NIS - Hunted.esp
114 72 No Aggro Impact Landing.esp
115 73 CraftableGunsAndWeapons.esp
116 74 True-Frags_v1-2_MidDmg_NoKnockdown_MidRange_NukaDLC.esp
117 75 Buildable_PAFrames.esp
118 76 Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp
119 77 Lasers Have No Recoil.esp
120 78 Holoboy.esp
121 79 Holoboy_Replacer.esp
122 7a LongRangeBulletHoles.esp
123 7b Splinterz.esp
124 7c AkaSinger-QuieterSoundPatch.esp
125 7d SOTS.esp
126 7e MoreSpawns_Medium.esp
127 7f BossChestsHaveLegendaries.esp
128 80 Weapons of Fate.esp
129 81 Remove Interior Fog - All Dlc.esp
130 82 Killable Children.esp
131 83 MakeYourOwnSynths.esp
132 84 dD-Enhanced Blood Basic.esp
133 85 BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp
254 FE 0 UncappedSettlementSurplus.esp
134 86 IMG_Castle_Wall_Patches.esp

PC Specs:
AMD FX-8350
12gb RAM
FO4 on an HDD
GTX 1050ti

Just please try to help me understand what the problem might be, because I've spent too much time just waiting for my game to load to see if a specific mod was causing the problem.

[ZaggRukk]

Run LOOT to sort your order. It will also show you other errors that you might have.

If the plugin limit that shows at the bottom of nmm is not red, then it's not a limit error.

I'm not going to research your mods for you. You should have read the descriptions as to where they need to go. For instance looks menu, should be close to the bottom.

[wild eyes]

I recommend using Vortex, NMM is extremely outdated now. You can use Mod Manager, if you think you're tech-savvy enough.

[PlutonicHades]

Originally posted by civil:

I recommend using Vortex, NMM is extremely outdated now. You can use Mod Manager, if you think you're tech-savvy enough.

NMM works great. Also, Vortex breaks a lot of stuff in my experience. It is much harder to change the order of mods. On top of all of that some mods even tell you NOT TO USE IT, simply because the mods wont work with it.

[NoyehThe]

Originally posted by ZaggRukk:

Run LOOT to sort your order. It will also show you other errors that you might have.

If the plugin limit that shows at the bottom of nmm is not red, then it's not a limit error.

I'm not going to research your mods for you. You should have read the descriptions as to where they need to go. For instance looks menu, should be close to the bottom.

LOOT doesn't change my order, even after multiple attempts. Don't know why. As of now, I have gone through every active mod, did a simple CTRL-F searching up 'order' and more than less than half of the mods had load order requirements. And most of them were about bug fixing. However I do thank you for opening up this around 20 minute long adventure for me.

Originally posted by civil:

I recommend using Vortex, NMM is extremely outdated now. You can use Mod Manager, if you think you're tech-savvy enough.

The thing I don't like with Vortex is that it's just a streamlined 'bootleg' NMM. (Now I may just be inept at using Vortex) but I haven't found a way of manually changing the load order. The program even suggests using LOOT which can't do mod sorting as best as a normal person can. LOOT reads metadata to find out where to place mods, and some mods have pretty specific load order requirements which can't be translated into metadata; LOOT won't be able to properly sort them.

(EDIT) NMM also get's community updates so you could say it's outdated but also not. Depends on your perspective.

[RexJayden]

To OP, I really wish that I knew what your problem is. All I can tell you is that I have quite often used well over 240 mods for Fallout 4 and Skyrim SE with no issues. I use Vortex and Loot as well. Good luck though, NoyehThe.

BTW, Vortex will identify mod conflicts and actually helps you to resolve them.

[NoyehThe]

Originally posted by RexJayden:

To OP, I really wish that I knew what your problem is. All I can tell you is that I have quite often used well over 240 mods for Fallout 4 and Skyrim SE with no issues. I use Vortex and Loot as well. Good luck though, NoyehThe. :cleanfloppy:

BTW, Vortex will identify mod conflicts and actually helps you to resolve them.

Thanks, I managed to get it to work by lowering the amount of plugins but only for a short time before it crashed crossing a bridge.

I'm confident about my idea of just disabling all of my plugins and then doing them over fresh. But I get so upset when I have to redo progress because I accomplish so much in so little time that I just get faster and faster. Who knows, maybe I'll be speedrunning FO4 quests soon.

[RexJayden]

Well...I am sorry to hear that you are modding more than gaming but I will hope things improve for you. Best regards, RJ.

[PlutonicHades]

Originally posted by NoyehThe:

Originally posted by ZaggRukk:

Run LOOT to sort your order. It will also show you other errors that you might have.

If the plugin limit that shows at the bottom of nmm is not red, then it's not a limit error.

I'm not going to research your mods for you. You should have read the descriptions as to where they need to go. For instance looks menu, should be close to the bottom.

LOOT doesn't change my order, even after multiple attempts. Don't know why. As of now, I have gone through every active mod, did a simple CTRL-F searching up 'order' and more than less than half of the mods had load order requirements. And most of them were about bug fixing. However I do thank you for opening up this around 20 minute long adventure for me.

Originally posted by civil:

I recommend using Vortex, NMM is extremely outdated now. You can use Mod Manager, if you think you're tech-savvy enough.

The thing I don't like with Vortex is that it's just a streamlined 'bootleg' NMM. (Now I may just be inept at using Vortex) but I haven't found a way of manually changing the load order. The program even suggests using LOOT which can't do mod sorting as best as a normal person can. LOOT reads metadata to find out where to place mods, and some mods have pretty specific load order requirements which can't be translated into metadata; LOOT won't be able to properly sort them.

(EDIT) NMM also get's community updates so you could say it's outdated but also not. Depends on your perspective.
:MrPew:

Are you making sure you close NMM while running loot? If you don't, because NMM has the load order file open Loot cannot make it's changes.

[NoyehThe]

Originally posted by Grim Reaper:

Originally posted by NoyehThe:

LOOT doesn't change my order, even after multiple attempts. Don't know why. As of now, I have gone through every active mod, did a simple CTRL-F searching up 'order' and more than less than half of the mods had load order requirements. And most of them were about bug fixing. However I do thank you for opening up this around 20 minute long adventure for me.




The thing I don't like with Vortex is that it's just a streamlined 'bootleg' NMM. (Now I may just be inept at using Vortex) but I haven't found a way of manually changing the load order. The program even suggests using LOOT which can't do mod sorting as best as a normal person can. LOOT reads metadata to find out where to place mods, and some mods have pretty specific load order requirements which can't be translated into metadata; LOOT won't be able to properly sort them.

(EDIT) NMM also get's community updates so you could say it's outdated but also not. Depends on your perspective.

Are you making sure you close NMM while running loot? If you don't, because NMM has the load order file open Loot cannot make it's changes.

Yeah I think that's what was happening before.

I did a quick redo of all my mods and I got into a new game but it just crashed and I can't get back to the save. My best guess is just load order conflict or a mod that really doesn't like another mod.

[RexJayden]

Seriously, try using Vortex to check for mod conflicts and then of course use LOOT afterwards. Also, be sure you are using the latest version of SKSE.

[NoyehThe]

Fallout 4 Unofficial Patch or See Through Scopes. I am wholeheartedly tired from this so I'm not even gonna try and think about how they could've made the game not work in my favor.

My only advice is that if you're having a similar problem and/or have a similar mod order as me, just try getting rid of these two and see if anything happens.

[Chef]

Your probably dealing with crashes becuase your load order doesn't quite look right. Also I can see that you installed Live Dismemberment incorrectly. You need to go back through the mod pages for all the mods you installed and do some reading. And Ill just toss in that neither UFO4P or See Through Scopes have any issue with each other or with heavily modded games.

Originally posted by NoyehThe:

I didn't organize them by mod author's wishes because I can't go through under 100 mods to just try and find specific mod orders, some of which are unspecified and unclear.

If you can't take the time to read about the mods your installing and follow directions you will never have a stable game.

[NoyehThe]

Originally posted by Chef:

Your probably dealing with crashes becuase your load order doesn't quite look right. Also I can see that you installed Live Dismemberment incorrectly. You need to go back through the mod pages for all the mods you installed and do some reading. And Ill just toss in that neither UFO4P or See Through Scopes have any issue with each other or with heavily modded games.

Originally posted by NoyehThe:

I didn't organize them by mod author's wishes because I can't go through under 100 mods to just try and find specific mod orders, some of which are unspecified and unclear.

If you can't take the time to read about the mods your installing and follow directions you will never have a stable game.

I just recently sorted my load order with LOOT, despite the protests of AWKCR's mod author's wishes, even using vortex to him isn't worthy of support; which is why I'm so adamant about using it.

Now I did do some reading, Live Dismemberment doesn't actually say how to properly install it, unless that was on the FOMOD installer. Even then, squinting my eyes to see an inch box of scrollable text in another box that's more than quadruple it's size? A little hard and annoying. As much as I love putting the blame on vortex, I could be at fault for vortex always telling me to 'activate all' when it detects multiple plugins. Could just be me, who knows?

I doubt Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch has any problems with a see-through scope mod, they're entirely different from one another. Although over my course of maybe 2 days doing troubleshooting, I stumbled on some forum threads talking about the Patch saying that it could cause CTD's, also that most of the bug fixes could be fixed without the use of mods. It was an old post but I'm a firm believer in history repeating itself.

For that last sentence, I leave you with this;

Originally posted by NoyehThe:

LOOT doesn't change my order, even after multiple attempts. Don't know why. As of now, I have gone through every active mod, did a simple CTRL-F searching up 'order' and less than half of the mods had load order requirements. And most of them were about bug fixing. However I do thank you for opening up this around 20 minute long adventure for me.

If you can't take the time to read about the thread you're posting to and follow the intense storyline of the plot, you'll never get a good response. Like look at this, I wrote too much.

[Chef]

Go to the Files section of Live Dismemberment. On the description for each download it says:

CHOOSE ONLY ONE .esp.

You have:

96 60 Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
97 61 Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
98 62 Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
99 63 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
100 64 Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
101 65 Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
102 66 Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp

The author of AWKCR doesn't have a problem with Vortex itself, he has a problem with where LOOT places his mods. Since Vortex uses LOOT for sorting he jsut says he wont support Vortex.

[ZaggRukk]

Originally posted by Chef:

Go to the Files section of Live Dismemberment. On the description for each download it says:

CHOOSE ONLY ONE .esp.

You have:

96 60 Live Dismemberment - Brutal.esp
97 61 Live Dismemberment - Liebermode.esp
98 62 Live Dismemberment - Insane-o.esp
99 63 Live Dismemberment - Mental.esp
100 64 Live Dismemberment - Mind-Blowing.esp
101 65 Live Dismemberment - POSTAL.esp
102 66 Live Dismemberment - Regular.esp

The author of AWKCR doesn't have a problem with Vortex itself, he has a problem with where LOOT places his mods. Since Vortex uses LOOT for sorting he jsut says he wont support Vortex.

Yup. . .This would do it. Live Dismemberment is conflicting with itself. Disable all but one of these and see how it goes. If this fixed it, then go back and choose which "version" of LD you want to use.

As a side note, there are several mods out there that have this setup of different versions, and you can only use one.

If this works, don't worry about reinstalling or deleting this mods or its esp's. Just select the plugins tab in nmm and unchecked the esp's that you want to disable. I would suggest a clean save before and after each change.