Survival mode is virtually impossible wtf

[stormarmy]

This has probably been put somewhere before but what the actual ♥♥♥♥

Even with mods that even out the damage to 2x/2x and redo weapons to be more balanced, I'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pumping people full of bullets and getting one shot every time i try to clear a place

I've spent nearly 6 hours trying to clear the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ triggermen from park st station coz they have this amazing ability most enemies in the commonwealth share, in that you put the sights over their head and they make their heads non corporeal for a brief moment

♥♥♥♥ like this makes me wanna give up on bethesda games in the future and fallout in general tbh

The ♥♥♥♥ am i meant to do? I got a hugely upgraded hunting rifle, and the best armour i can make/buy and they have pistols and suits and I'm still getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ creamed on a starting quest to rescue nick to progress the damn game

[Meowbie]

Originally posted by Out Of Bubblegum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H0L2X0r-YQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inQoa0fVbsg

oh man, thanks a lot. you're really kind search for it.
im sorry, i should put the link in the first place.

i think this the correct link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_BFgxaah-U&list=PLWfn8XPMjoaNBJ-IswWdQKOMkGDeXDaIu&index=6&t=0s

[Out Of Bubblegum]

Oh. Ha! OK. I was not actually responding to your post. I guess I kinda saw your remark about a YouTube video. Which triggered my thought to have a look. Peoples minds work strange sometimes. I posted two random ones I found mostly for the OP. And anyone else reading this thread.

[danconnors]

Wow, two videos that should both have been titled "How Not To Rescue Nick Valentine". Number One If you can make a 10mm pistol with a large magazine, you can make a .38 pipe rifle with a 46 shot drum clip, rifle barrel, rifle grip, and does more damage than a 10 mm pistol. In fact you can make a .308 pipe sniper rifle and a scope. The guy never used a jet in the final fight; he deserved to die. Wish I could make my own movie. I'd show people how to roll this place up.

No 2 The guy skipped the entrance fight, which is one of the toughest fights in the vault. And then his main weapon is a Thompson submachinegun. Good thing he's in power armor. Using those tactics in regular armor would have you dead in a few minutes. The thinking here appears to be--hose enough lead into an area and you'll kill everything. That large area at the bottom of the first flight of stairs is where I start piling up corpses with my sniper rifle. The gangsters charge the stairs--I retreat back up the stairs. When I have reloaded it's jet time. Hit a jet and cut loose with a semiautomatic weapon with a large clip--either a combat rifle, combat shotgun, or .38 pipegun..

The final fight has a bed you can sleep 8 hours in right at the bottom of the flight of stairs. Last time I did it, to recheck my previous call, I took a jet just as I entered the room, and immediately opened fire. Skipped the speeches and laid out the gangsters--fast and easy. Guess I see my next challenge. Start a new girl and see how low a level I can take this joint. I'll have to break my rule about having an AC over 100/100 before making the attempt, but What the Hell/

[Out Of Bubblegum]

Originally posted by danconnors:

Since they apparently aren't going to release a new game within my current life expectancy

Have you ever tried Borderlands? It's kinda like a simplified Fallout. It looks like a comic book version of Fallout. That is intentional and is part of the humor. It's a like it or hate it feature. The gun-play is a lot like Fallout. The enemies are a lot more varied. It is linear but many side-quests can be skipped. The humor adds to the fun. Like Fallout 1,2 had. If you can get over your grumpy "Its NOT Fallout" attitude you might like it. :)
I really enjoyed it. I liked playing the female Siren the best.

[Meowbie]

Originally posted by Out Of Bubblegum:

Oh. Ha! OK. I was not actually responding to your post. I guess I kinda saw your remark about a YouTube video. Which triggered my thought to have a look. Peoples minds work strange sometimes. I posted two random ones I found mostly for the OP. And anyone else reading this thread.

ahh i see, alright then.

Originally posted by danconnors:

No 2 The guy skipped the entrance fight, which is one of the toughest fights in the vault.

im not sure what you mean by skipping it, but if you want to see the entrance fight just watch his previous video in the end part. he just not mention it.

[danconnors]

@put of bubblegum: Aren't the fights turn based? I think that might be a game my son tried to get me interested in. But ever since I picked up on real time fights I've lost all interest in turn based.

I think this new challenge is going to have me trying to make levels as slowly as possible. As such my first perk was science, and the first thing I built was an industrial water purifier. The idea being to get decent armor and weapons at as low a level as possible. So, I'll be skipping a lot of stuff I normally pick up on. I need one gun nut, 2 armorers, one rifleman--throw in the science and that's already 5 levels. This will NOT be easy.

[stormarmy]

Originally posted by danconnors:

God, you're still carrying on about survival? I'll say it so there's no possibility of misunderstanding. You are NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY SURVIVAL. You do not have enough skill at the game. I was in that position once, but rather than try to blame everybody in the world except me. I admitted my weakness and went back to hard difficulty. I spent another thousand hours, and I got better--a lot better.

That's what you need to do. You are not a good survival player, and female dogging about it forever is not going to help you one bit. Go back to an easier mode--AND GET BETTER.

You carrying on about the multitude of us who ARE good at survival--calling us braggarts or out and out liars--is a sign of extreme immaturity. What will you do next--hold your breath till your face turns blue? That only works on the parents of extremely spoiled brats. Trying to fix your extreme weakness by cheating and using mods to make survival easier for you is not going to make you any better either. There is only one way you will get good enough to play survival, and you already know what that is--unless you are dumb as well as insanely stubborn.

Lol
Actually no, I'm not still going on about it, the thread is just still going.

If you'd read, we'd already established that a mixture of mods had actually messed it up far worse than it should have been.
Removing those mods helped a lot, but it's still too uphill to be really fun in my mindframe at the moment so I've left it.

Nice to see the elitists are out in force though.

[stormarmy]

Originally posted by danconnors:

@out oof bubblegum: This ridiculous carrying on about "I hit him in the head, but it didn't kill him with one shot....Waahh....waahh." How the Hell do you know you hit him in the head? If I kill someone and his head is lying in his lap I assume I blew his head off. If there is a bullet hole in his head--extremely rare--I assume I hit him in the head. If I hit him in the arm and blood splashes in his face it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Obviously Stormarmy is not as good a shot as he thinks he is. This is the explanation that makes the most sense.

Gut shots are much more common than head shots. When I hit someone at long range who is running at an angle to me I don't crow immediately that I head shot him. I probably didn't; I'm just happy that I led him enough to hit a single gut shot that managed to drop him for the duration. And geesh; he got combat armor. The first combat armor is no better than the first metal armor as far as ballistic protection is concerned. As long as your ballistic protection is below 100 you have no protection from ballistic attacks. If you are wearing armor 75/75 you have no more protection from a bullet than a gangster wearing a T shirt.

You're actually kidding right?

It's easy to see if you shoot someone in the head, they tend to either die as expected, or clutch their head or say something

And also no, if you'd actually read what I'm writing even though I know you won't, people saying they have "no problems"
Not, it's not challenging, because it is
Not, people who play differently, because fine.

People who say they have no problems, no bugs, glitches or anything like that are usually lying because F4 is held together with scotch tape and spit and everyone here knows it.
For instance the cover system, enemy leans out of cover, scope crosshair on enemy head, fire weapon, miss head.
Thats the sort of problem I keep running into
Same with cover for you, lean out of cover, shoot at enemy, hit corner of cover

At least read ffs don't skim, it's insulting when you start running your mouth from a point of ignorance.

[stormarmy]

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

The OP modded pipeguns in his game to be stronger.
He assumed it was survival difficulty making it harder.
He realized his mistake and corrected it.

True, but then OP came back and said that even without that mod survival is still extremely difficult, and that those that enjoy the vanilla survival difficulty are in the "extremely rare minority of people".

Originally posted by stormarmy:

And to those that say "well i play vanilla or whatever and have no problems" congratulations, you're either in an extremely rare minority of people, are incredibly lucky, or lying oj the internet to make yourself feel better because having no problems in a Bethesda RPG is literally impossible to the point that bugs aren't bugs they're just unwanted features

Again people don't read

I'm not gonna repeat myself, read upwards a little to see my response to that

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by stormarmy:

Again people don't read

I'm not gonna repeat myself, read upwards a little to see my response to that

Most people do not actually read topics. They see a topic and just jump in and start posting. It does not matter if the topic is 20 pages long or 2 pages long.

As for you new found "friend," you are just the target of one of his rants.

[danconnors]

Yeah, I read you said you were dropping the subject. Then I read a page back you insulting people, like me, who are NOT having problems with survival difficulty. The reason you are not killing people with your "head shots" is because you are missing. Probably pulling the trigger rather than squeezing it.

Speaking of people who don't read, put yourself in that group. You have gotten reams of good advice, and resolutely ignored it all. Your armor class of around 75/75 would be great in normal mode, but in survival mode it is useless--as it would be in real life. Ordinary leather and metal armor, akin to the armor used in the middle ages was useless against the first firearms produced in the middle ages. It offered some protection against melee weapons, but as warfare advanced gunfire became the primary killer on the battlefield, and armies quit using all armor.

This persisted until the end of the 20th century when kevlar armor became available. The first combat armor you are able to buy has no more ballistic protection than the first metal armor you can buy. That's why you are being one shotted by bandits in T shirts. If you don't believe me continue using the junk and you will continue being one shotted. If you get your armor above 100/100 it will begin to offer SOME protection, but it won't be a cure all. Only when you get Railroad ballistic weave armor will you begin to get some decent protection. In the meantime you use jet and its derivatives to multiply your damage output by 8. And you hide behind brick walls when the jet wears off. Or you get killed, and you can continue blaming the whole world for it.

[Mark_Immortell]

Originally posted by Out Of Bubblegum:

This game has so many ways to become overpowered. You have to work to keep a challenge. Even on survival.

Especially power armor is overpowered and you can find so many fusion cores: I've found ammunition boxes containing 4 fusion cores or you have traders who are selling 5 of them... in principle you can wear it all the time...
I remember doing the mechanist quest without power armor... OMG this was horrible, in contrast with power armor it was incredibly easy (yes, on survival)...

[Ceejay]

Originally posted by danconnors:

Wish I could make my own movie. I'd show people how to roll this place up.

Use obs studio, its free :)

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by stormarmy:

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

True, but then OP came back and said that even without that mod survival is still extremely difficult, and that those that enjoy the vanilla survival difficulty are in the "extremely rare minority of people".

Again people don't read

I'm not gonna repeat myself, read upwards a little to see my response to that

I've read all of your posts in this thread, and even tried to offer advice, as many others have, to help you tackle survival mode. But it's clear to me at this point that you're looking for a different game in Fallout 4 than it is, and that will only lead to disappointment.

If I misinterpreted your statement about the "extreme minority of people" as being about survival mode rather than about bugs, then I'll own that, and I appreciate the correction.

However, it doesn't change the bottom line that my observation in that post was still correct. You are finding survival mode too difficult or challenging or whatever, and I was responding to BP's post pointing out that no, removing the mod that buffed pipe guns had apparently not fixed your problem, even if it mitigated it somewhat.

[Paradox1126]

You guys are making me want to jump back on!