Can't talk to certain NPCs in Nuka-World

[Nigerian Astronaut]

For some reason, I am completely unable to talk to NIRA or the merchants in the Nuka-World Market. I've tried everything short of a reinstall: disabling/enabling mods, verifying game files, going to earlier saves, and using console commands to turn AI processing off and on. Any help?

Side note: The only people I am able to talk to in the Market are unnamed Nuka-World raiders and Mackenzie (only because she initiates dialogue when you walk up to her). The other merchants and wasteland wanderers are completely mute when I try to talk to them.

Current Mods (In load order):

Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch
AWKCR
Armorsmith Extended
Service Rifle
Alternate Fusion Core Drain
CROSS_Cybernetics
CROSS_Jetpack
Improved Map with visible roads
K-9 Harness
Power Armor quick enter and exit
Mysterious BIG

[outsidefactor]

Originally posted by anatagamu:

Sorry, I'm just trying to catch up here by reading all the posts and determining how wide spread this bug is..... Are the people that have posted opinions here under the impression that I, as a 70hr game time, and yet to explore Nuka-World, with the only mod installed being UFO4P, will run into this merchant bug and won't be able to enjoy Nuka-World? I certainly hope not.....

Only really one way to find out I suppose, but if it affected EVERYONE I would have thought it would have caused a bit more of a backlash that what it has?

I don't think there's enough data yet to really answer your question.

Because we don't as yet know the root cause (we have several candidates, but no definitive answer yet) we can't be sure when the problem was introduced or if a retroactive fix is forthcoming or even possible.

Here is what we can say for sure: if you go to Nuka-World and N.I.R.A. won't talk to you your only immediate fix is to reinstall everything and start a fresh game. A retroactive fix may yet be forthcoming, but at this stage it doesn't seem one is coming from the UFO4P team, and if you're expecting Bethesda to address it... I humbly refer you to research the NAVMESH bug, which was in Oblivion but didn't get fixed until late into Skyrim's release...

And just because the issue was only just introduced doesn't at all ensure Bethesda will ever address it... They are more likely to just tell you to start a new game and blame it all on the end users for using mods in the first place.

The problem might be very very recent, which is why we're only seeing people reporting it now: if the problem only impacts games started in the last month and people are just now getting to Nuka-World that completely explains why we've only just started to see this.

[anatagamu]

Ok, thanks for your detailed yet easy to follow response. Obviously Bethesda developers haven’t changed any backend code as I haven’t needed to update the game since I bought it and installed it 2 weeks ago. So surely I haven’t installed a broken game from the Steam servers.... It will just seem odd I.e. I don’t know how a reinstall will fix anything as nothing has updated since I originally installed. Like you say, I’ve only started this month from fresh. Only patch Installed, no other mods.

I’ll go there tonight and do as you say - talk to N.I.R.A, and if you don’t mind I’ll report back here with a yay or nay.

[outsidefactor]

Originally posted by anatagamu:

Sorry, I'm just trying to catch up here by reading all the posts and determining how wide spread this bug is..... Are the people that have posted opinions here under the impression that I, as a 70hr game time, and yet to explore Nuka-World, with the only mod installed being UFO4P, will run into this merchant bug and won't be able to enjoy Nuka-World? I certainly hope not.....

Only really one way to find out I suppose, but if it affected EVERYONE I would have thought it would have caused a bit more of a backlash that what it has?

Here is my suggestion to you:

Make a save point and go to Nuka-World now. If N.I.R.A talks to you then you're all good and can safely revert to the save point and continue as normal secure that there is no looming disaster for you.

If NIRA remains mute... then you're in the boat with people like me. I am going to start a new game in a new save profile (thanks Bilago for your tool to help with that!) so I can at least play. If the bug does get retroactively fixed then I might go back to that save at a later date.

Either way PLEASE let us know here. We need DATA. Every detailed report we get fills in more details and makes it easier for the community to at least identify the root cause so that people can make informed decisions about how they can address this. Some people will just write off Nuka-World altogether and keep their current saves. Others will start again immediately like I am going to. Others will wait for a fix.

But no-one can make a good choice for themselves if they are making it in an absence of good data.

[outsidefactor]

Originally posted by anatagamu:

Ok, thanks for your detailed yet easy to follow response. Obviously Bethesda developers haven’t changed any backend code as I haven’t needed to update the game since I bought it and installed it 2 weeks ago. So surely I haven’t installed a broken game from the Steam servers.... It will just seem odd I.e. I don’t know how a reinstall will fix anything as nothing has updated since I originally installed. Like you say, I’ve only started this month from fresh. Only patch Installed, no other mods.

I’ll go there tonight and do as you say - talk to N.I.R.A, and if you don’t mind I’ll report back here with a yay or nay.

Heh, you beat me to the punch!

Yes please, MOAR DATA!

[anatagamu]

Cool. Will do. Thanks.

My concern will be to lose the save before going to Nuka World, as you can’t manually edit the save name right? You just gotta remember the screenshot it has in order to come back to it at a later date. How do you plan to go back to that save easily?

Edit: ahhhh, a new save profile, so it will have a different character name. Got it.

[outsidefactor]

Originally posted by anatagamu:

Cool. Will do. Thanks.

My concern will be to lose the save before going to Nuka World, as you can’t manually edit the save name right? You just gotta remember the screenshot it has in order to come back to it at a later date. How do you plan to go back to that save easily?

Edit: ahhhh, a new save profile, so it will have a different character name. Got it.

Profiles work really well. I have an old save from long ago where I played BoS and thus had a few BoS and Power Armor specific mods that I don't like in my Railroad or Minutemen saves.

So, I use NMM (now Vortex) mod profiles and Bilago save profiles to keep it all neat and separate

[anatagamu]

As requested, here are my results from Nuka World. Everything seems to be working fine. I talked to all the merchants in the market: Aaron, Shelbie, Mackenzie, and Maddox. Eventually found NIRA, and her dialogue was fine.

My arrangement with Fallout 4:

Purchased GOTY edition on 24/07, via Steam
Installed on 24/07, including all DLCs
Installed UFO4P via in-game mod menu 24/07
No other mods installed at all
Reached Nuka-World, 73hrs in, on 16/08

Hopefully that helps in some way, if you need any more info / tests let me know.

[cha0skain]

Just ran into the same problem today >.<'. I have all the dlc, no creation club content, latest version, latest version of f4se, ufo4p and a few texture mods. Such an odd issue to just suddenly arise. I am 51 hours in to my save. Anyone work out what causes the problem?

[BiggusBoreus]

OK,. so its definitely baked into the savefile, but I have no clue why. I did a complete clean install, (uninstalled, deleted folder in steam library and in documents then installed) made a new save game, set level to 30 and went to nuka world, and it worked. So I then added my mods back one at a time in order and... it still works with all 97 mods, however if I go back to my original save file it is still bugged.
My next step is to now make a new save file, with all mods enabled from the getgo and see if the issue persists.


0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 ArmorKeywords.esm
9 9 Homemaker.esm
10 a HUDFramework.esm
11 b XDI.esm
12 c SettlementKeywords.esm
13 d WorkshopFramework.esm
14 e Worsin's Garage.esm
15 f VIS-G Item Sorting.esp
254 FE 0 AWKCR - dnCommonArmor dlc legendaries bugfix.esp
16 10 Homemaker - Streetlights Use Passive Power.esp
17 11 Homemaker - Unlocked Institute Objects.esp
18 12 AdvBubbleTurretSet.esp
19 13 WIPAG_Decal Station.esp
254 FE 1 WIPAG_Paint Garage - Full (Hard).esp
254 FE 2 VIS-G Item Sorting Vanilla Weight Patch.esp
20 14 Armorsmith Extended.esp
21 15 WIPAG_Power Armor Overhaul.esp
22 16 VIS-G Legendary Modifications.esp
23 17 SettlementMenuManager.esp
24 18 CBBEFix.esp
25 19 CBBE.esp
26 1a Killable Children - Far Harbor.esp
27 1b Killable Children - Nuka World.esp
28 1c WastelandFashion.esp
29 1d WastelandFashionAccessories.esp
30 1e AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
31 1f Merged Audio.esp
32 20 BostonFPSFixAIO.esp
33 21 Merged Visuals.esp
34 22 LootableCrates.esp
35 23 MarketRedone.esp
36 24 LootableCrates MergedDLCs.esp
37 25 Raider Children.esp
38 26 Killable Children.esp
39 27 Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
40 28 Personal_Storm_Shelter.esp
41 29 SSEX.esp
42 2a BasementLiving.esp
43 2b Better Cooking Stations.esp
44 2c Better Cooking Stations - Far Harbor + Nuka World patch.esp
45 2d BetterGenerators.esp
46 2e BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp
47 2f Child Posters.esp
48 30 CraftableAmmo.esp
49 31 CraftableAmmo_plus.esp
50 32 Crafting Workbench.esp
51 33 Crafting Workbenches - Ammo.esp
52 34 Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Expanded.esp
53 35 Crafting Workbenches - Ammo Special.esp
54 36 Crafting Workbenches - Automatron DLC.esp
55 37 Crafting Workbenches - Junk Items.esp
56 38 Crafting Workbenches - Power Armor.esp
57 39 Crafting Workbenches - Pre War and Manufactured.esp
58 3a eFFoodPlanters - Extra Plants - Variable.esp
59 3b eFFoodPlanters - High.esp
254 FE 3 Flicker Fixer.esp
60 3c Ghouls Revamped.esp
61 3d Merged Appearance.esp
62 3e J17's Followers.esp
63 3f KSHairdos.esp
64 40 LMBTOverlays.esp
65 41 LongerPowerLines3x.esp
66 42 LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
67 43 LooksMenu.esp
Lots More Facial Hair.esp
68 44 Lots More Female Hairstyles.esp
Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp
69 45 Merged Fixes.esp
70 46 WET.esp
71 47 MiscHairstyle.esp
72 48 MoreBeards.esp
73 49 MoreHairstyles4Female.esp
74 4a MoreHairstyles4Male.esp
75 4b Nuka World Bottle Fix.esp
76 4c Orphans.esp
77 4d Patch BLD-HBT.esp
78 4e Pipe Guns +.esp
79 4f RAW INPUT.esp
80 50 SalvageBeacons.esp
81 51 SettleObjExpandPack.esp
82 52 spacefiddle_Follower-Stealth-Distance-Fixes.esp
83 53 SuitDreams(1.Very Light).esp
84 54 SuitDreams(2. Light).esp
85 55 SuitDreams(3.Average).esp
86 56 SuitDreams(4.Heavy).esp
87 57 SuitDreams(5.Very Heavy).esp
88 58 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
89 59 TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
90 5a TrueBlood.esp
91 5b VHCE.esp
92 5c Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp
93 5d BetterSettlers.esp
94 5e BetterSettlersCleanFacePack.esp
95 5f Beautiful Female Settlers v. 2.0 - BS Compatible - VMSR - NGR.esp
96 60 BetterSettlersCCAPack2.0.esp
97 61 BetterSettlersHeavyArmorOnly.esp
98 62 BetterSettlersMortalSoldiersPack.esp
99 63 BetterSettlersMostlyFemale.esp
100 64 Edit_Hancock.esp
101 65 EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

[BiggusBoreus]

OK so more testing done, Created a new save file, with all mods enabled from the get, and the issue is back. I'm wondering if there is some backend update that caused issues when the quest is triggered. I'm going to attempt to downgrade my Fo4 and see if it retroactively fixes the issue.

[BiggusBoreus]

So downgrading to the most recent version (hoping that would remove any potential hotfixes/backend updates) didnt do ♥♥♥♥. I'm f*cking clueless at this point. Only advice i can offer is hit level 30 before you put on mods *shrug*

[cha0skain]

Hmmmmm I assumed it was the latest creation club update bethesda forced upon us. But by the looks of things that isn't the case >.</. Thanks for the extensive testing! you have way more patience than me XD. I wonder if a mod can be developed to fix this?? Anyone out there with experience using creation kit?

[BitsOfSkin]

Must concur that the issue is somewhere in the savegames, somehow.
I've been tinkering with ReSaver (FallRimTools) and trying to find where my old bugged savegame deviates from the new bug free ones, but I'm not having much luck.
This is going to take the mind of someone more well versed in savegame analysis than mine.

[Retrowave Enjoyer]

Got the same issue, i tried to meddle with the ini files and manually delete all dialogue in the game, then only nuka world relevant dialogue and changed the language back and forth. I don't know if it had any meaning to it, but i must say, that it did absolutely nothing. Though i am not sure if it would change anything anyway. And Starting a new game also doesn't seem to help as i did that three times at this point.

[Vimorain]

just my 5 cents ; I have same issue,newly (re)installed game ,unofficial patch,some minor visual mods,cannibal reworked,mod that adds recycler to machines,got Preston to max affinity run to Nuka World,did gauntlet walk up to Nira and she doesn't speak to me,neither do vendors . i went to UFO4P see if comments says something and I read there something about people being hostile to them so they may discontinue whole patch .I don't want to play Fallout 76 .