need some fresh eyes to stare at this load order and see what the underlying issue could be

[Silent Protagonist]

ok i have posted this here before but i need a underlying cause and i will get rid of it thusly: for some reason just as i get out of the vault at the start of the game i head down to sanctuary work shop to get some quick setup and loot grabbing for a bit of quick settlement grabbing

except the workshop at the house across from the players house (near codsworth) has enemies nearby even after i clear them out despite his assistance or not (never did this before this past few months) and i cant seem to find the cause i am throwing my load order out here to see where it might lie:

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
8 8 AAF.esm
9 9 ArmorKeywords.esm
254 FE 0 CrashOnTheCouch.esl
254 FE 1 GCM_DLC_Automatron.esl
10 a NewCalibers.esp
11 b SettlementKeywords.esm
12 c HUDFramework.esm
13 d SimSettlements.esm
254 FE 2 Loot Detector.esl
14 e XDI.esm
254 FE 3 44 Lever Action.esl
254 FE 4 LuckyLoot.esl
254 FE 5 CCKCR.esl
254 FE 6 Recipes76.esl
254 FE 7 chestoplentyodrugs.esl
254 FE 8 TTP_PimpMyDiner.esl
254 FE 9 CROSS_Wasteland_Ronin.esl
15 f doubleperkbonus.esp
254 FE a jm-holotapesaudiobar.esp
254 FE b minutemanperks.esp
254 FE c morevendorcaps2000.esp
254 FE d victoryfanfare.esp
16 10 AAF_AutonomyEnhanced.esp
17 11 AAF_VanillaFudge.esp
18 12 ValdacilsItemSorting-00-ValsPicks-DLCVersion.esp
19 13 Armorsmith Extended.esp
254 FE e NPC Overhaul - DLC.esp
254 FE f ValdacilsItemSorting-JunkWeightless+DEF_INV.esp
254 FE 10 def_inv_scrap_en.esp
254 FE 11 ValdacilsItemSorting-ModsWeightless.esp
254 FE 12 tce - mama murphy enhanced.esp
254 FE 13 strongerdogmeat.esp
20 14 WeaponRealismOverhaulDLC.esp
21 15 Modern Firearms.esp
22 16 Atomic Lust.esp
254 FE 14 ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCAutomatron-Weightless.esp
254 FE 15 ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCNukaWorld-Weightless.esp
254 FE 16 EBMD-UF04P Patch.esp
23 17 Smoke-able Cigars.esp
254 FE 17 ValdacilsItemSorting-MiscWeightless.esp
24 18 FO4_AnimationsByLeito.esp
254 FE 18 SPECIAL-070.esp
254 FE 19 Modern Firearms Stagger Remover.esp
254 FE 1a mf_contraptions_patch.esp
254 FE 1b ValdacilsItemSorting-NotJunk.esp
254 FE 1c Be Realistic - Fallout 4.esp
254 FE 1d Cait Morph.079249.esp
25 19 CompanionStatus.esp
26 1a CROSS_GoreCrits.esp
254 FE 1e CROSS_GoreCrits_FarHarborPatch.esp
254 FE 1f Curie Morph V2.1647C6.esp
254 FE 20 Danse Morph.027683.esp
254 FE 21 Deacon Morph.45AC9.esp
27 1b GCM.esp
28 1c Geist_Suit.esp
29 1d KSHairdos.esp
30 1e LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
254 FE 22 MacCready Morph.02740E.esp
254 FE 23 New Calibers VIS Ammo Tags.esp
254 FE 24 Old Longfellow Morph.1006E5B.esp
254 FE 25 Piper Morph.2F1E.esp
254 FE 26 Porter Gage Morph.100881D.esp
254 FE 27 Preston Morph.019FD9.esp
254 FE 28 X6-88 Morph.BBEE6.esp
254 FE 29 Idiot Slut.esp
31 1f Pet - Call -Feed Dogmeat.esp
254 FE 2a AdvBubbleTurretSet-Real.esp
254 FE 2b NoAffinityCooldown.esp
254 FE 2c TheyWantThatAss.esp
32 20 SavageCabbage_Animations.esp
254 FE 2d DX Adventurer Outfit.esp
254 FE 2e azarponytailhairstyles.esp
254 FE 2f young explorer.esp
254 FE 30 LooksMenu.esp
33 21 ESPExplorerFO4.esp
34 22 FPEDogAddon.esp
35 23 rxl_bp70_animations.esp
254 FE 31 CROSS_Blades.esp
36 24 Holoboy.esp
37 25 HoloTime_2.esp
38 26 WmkActiveEffects.esp
254 FE 32 ImmersiveLoversEmbraceRemastered.esp
39 27 DLCWeaponsinCW.esp
40 28 Seiryuu Beam Katana.esp
254 FE 33 ProtoLining.esp
41 29 Dead Forest Overhaul.esp
42 2a Galaxy News Radio.esp
43 2b 3DNPC_FO4.esp
44 2c MojaveImports.esp
254 FE 34 ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCFarHarbor-Weightless.esp
45 2d Better Explosives Redux.esp
254 FE 35 IWN Core 1.7.esp
254 FE 36 ValdacilsItemSorting-ArmorByClass.esp
254 FE 37 ValdacilsItemSorting-CosmeticsByType.esp
254 FE 38 ValdacilsItemSorting-JunkBetterDLC+DEF_INV.esp
254 FE 39 ValdacilsItemSorting-Perks.esp
254 FE 3a ValdacilsItemSorting-Weapons.esp
254 FE 3b ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCContraptions-Weightless.esp
254 FE 3c ValdacilsItemSorting-ZY-DLCVaultTec-Weightless.esp
254 FE 3d ModernFAWieghtlessammo.esp
254 FE 3e ValdacilsItemSorting-AmmoWeightless.esp
46 2e Modern Sidearms.esp
47 2f EveryonesWar.esp
48 30 OutcastsAndRemnants.esp
49 31 CAM.esp
254 FE 3f cigarettelight.esp
254 FE 40 ValdacilsItemSorting-AidWeightless.esp
50 32 AA FusionCityRising.esp
51 33 AA FusionCityRising - HotC.esp
52 34 America Rising - A Tale of the Enclave.esp
53 35 NA-FortAbernathy.esp
54 36 CHEF.esp
55 37 W.A.T.Minutemen.esp
56 38 AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
254 FE 41 AmazingFollowerTweaks_XDI_FIX.esp
254 FE 42 ValdacilsItemSorting-ExplosivesSortTopWeightless.esp
57 39 No_Wealth_For_The_Commons.esp
58 3a Cannabis Commonwealth.esp
254 FE 43 BER_LeveledLists.esp
59 3b CCAffinity.esp
254 FE 44 Holoboy_Replacer.esp
60 3c overseerarmory.esp
61 3d ImmersiveLoversEmbraceMagnolia.esp
62 3e Lever Action Overhaul.esp
63 3f DLCAmmoScrounger.esp
254 FE 45 caravaneer'scheatcrate.esp
64 40 VIO_Strap-On.esp
254 FE 46 Grasslands - Healthy.esp
65 41 InstitWeapPosit.esp
66 42 3DNPC_FO4_DLC.esp
67 43 NightstrikerCreatureMod.esp
68 44 CheatTerminal.esp
69 45 KJW - Bottle Return.esp
70 46 MilitarizedMinutemen.esp
71 47 ProjectValkyrie.esp
72 48 ellen.esp
73 49 M1Garand.esp
254 FE 47 whisperCraftPowerArmor.esp
74 4a ButtonsCompanion.esp
75 4b classicrockradio.esp
254 FE 48 cheatbags.esp
76 4c llamaCompanionHeather.esp
254 FE 49 Railway Rifle Spawn Fix.esp
77 4d KitGun2.esp
78 4e wandererradio.esp
254 FE 4a nolansbagofgoodies.esp
79 4f HuntingShotgun.esp
80 50 faroutradio.esp
81 51 vengeanceradio.esp
82 52 skeletonkey.esp
83 53 llamaCompanionHeather-VIS - AE Patch.esp
254 FE 4b Freak's simple Laser Buff.esp
84 54 BOUNTIESFORYOU.esp
85 55 LtC_LegalizedGrow01.esp
86 56 WeaponSpecializationPlus.esp
87 57 WeaponSpecialization.esp
88 58 M1Garand - AWKCR-VIS.esp
254 FE 4c WRO_M1Garand_patch.esp
254 FE 4d M1Garand-2xDMG.esp
89 59 AranLaserCarbine.esp
90 5a AtomicRadio.esp
91 5b ImmersiveLoversEmbraceHeatherPatch.esp
254 FE 4e just for starters.esp
92 5c BetterCompanions.esp
254 FE 4f detailedferalghouls.esp
93 5d FP_FamilyPlanningEnhanced.esp
94 5e ShinoClosplay Spider Gwen.esp
95 5f ECV_RemnantsArmor.esp
96 60 el_AgentOutfit.esp
97 61 F3metalarmor.esp
254 FE 50 Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp

[craigsters]

I have no clue what these mods are below

AAF.esm
XDI.esm
GCM.esp

And I wouldn't keep a mod like modern firearms in my game if it was pulled from any mod sites

[Silent Protagonist]

the following mean:

GCM: game configuration menu
AAF: Advanced animation framework
XDI Extended Dialogue Interface

moder firearms is a fave with me as i have an odd liking of both older and modern firearms (though i physically own none just an enthusiast)

and to be honest i keep it due to my liking of weaponry weater or not it recieves an update i like it the vanilla guns are just well......atrocious and ugly thats why people upload different weapons cause in my opinion (granted this my opinion not law or fact) it just looks better by comparison

[Jouchebag]

So the problem is raiders hanging out at the Sanctuary workshop? You can't just... kill them? Or do they keep coming back?

Maybe if you go get the minutemen together and unlock Sanctuary it'll stop?

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Jouchebag:

So the problem is raiders hanging out at the Sanctuary workshop? You can't just... kill them? Or do they keep coming back?

Maybe if you go get the minutemen together and unlock Sanctuary it'll stop?

Once your settlement is producing and storing food raiders constantly turn up around the borders. It has always been this way. For Sanctuary it is that spot out by the root cellar, the bridge, and the swampy area side.

His problem is that the six bloatflies are bugged somehow and not allowing him initial access to the workshop. The usual cause for that is something edited the Sanctuary cells (makeover mods, scrapping mods, etc.)

Also, if you have previously had any makeover mods you removed you then should have verified the files because it aint a guarantee they put the cells back the way they should be.

Now the weird thing is, Sim Settlements or Place Everywhere allows me to take control of workkshops through use of any workstation in a settlement and ignores clearing.

[Jouchebag]

Ah yeah that sounds like something I was getting when a scrapping mod was rubbing up against some other mods I had.

[Snine]

Originally posted by Silent Protagonist:

8 8 AAF.esm
16 10 AAF_AutonomyEnhanced.esp
17 11 AAF_VanillaFudge.esp
22 16 Atomic Lust.esp
24 18 FO4_AnimationsByLeito.esp
254 FE 29 Idiot ♥♥♥♥.esp
254 FE 2c TheyWantThatAss.esp
254 FE 32 ImmersiveLoversEmbraceRemastered.esp
58 3a Cannabis Commonwealth.esp
61 3d ImmersiveLoversEmbraceMagnolia.esp
64 40 VIO_Strap-On.esp
91 5b ImmersiveLoversEmbraceHeatherPatch.esp
93 5d FP_FamilyPlanningEnhanced.esp

I have mad respect for you.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Jouchebag:

Ah yeah that sounds like something I was getting when a scrapping mod was rubbing up against some other mods I had.

Yeah, I dont use scrapping mods anymore, only Place Everywhere.

Almost every "cleaner this, bridge fix, expanded border" mod I ever used would bring a bunch of CTDs with it.

[Eclipse]

you have 90 some off mods, i have 273 and we dont use a single same one.

[Jouchebag]

Originally posted by Eclipse:

you have 90 some off mods, i have 273 and we dont use a single same one.

Aww come on. He's got some good ones like Fusion City Rising/OCAR/Valk and Sim Settlements and TFTC/3DNPC... and a lot of other stuff that I don't use because I stopped trying to turn Bethesda RPGs into porn when I was 15.

[Snine]

Originally posted by Jouchebag:

Originally posted by Eclipse:

you have 90 some off mods, i have 273 and we dont use a single same one.

Aww come on. He's got some good ones like Fusion City Rising/OCAR/Valk and Sim Settlements and TFTC/3DNPC... and a lot of other stuff that I don't use because I stopped trying to turn Bethesda RPGs into porn when I was 15.

I keep a lot of AAF stuff as added realism. I never use them, they're just there. lol