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Grantorino Nov 11, 2019 @ 10:23am
Can Jet be better than Vats?
Do you think it's better to spec for vats or spec for jet and science?
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MaximumEffort Nov 11, 2019 @ 10:28am 
VATS. Jet wont give you crits.
Ska-boo Nov 11, 2019 @ 10:30am 
Originally posted by sjrekis:
Jet wont give you crits.
Overdrive will tho
untitled-unrivaled Nov 11, 2019 @ 10:45am 
VATS obviously. You don't have to aim bad odds, you don't have to make and carry "VATS" but JET does make you carry stuff. VATS also has Criticals and special perks, using Jet is fine and all and while I prefer something more like Jet (I use Bullet Time). VATs is way superior in almost every form I can think of.
untitled-unrivaled Nov 11, 2019 @ 10:45am 
Originally posted by Ska-boo:
Originally posted by sjrekis:
Jet wont give you crits.
Overdrive will tho
VATS doesn't require you to build/spend caps on getting Overdrive or Jet either.
ZarahNeander Nov 11, 2019 @ 11:33am 
Originally posted by Marana:
Originally posted by Ska-boo:
Overdrive will tho
VATS doesn't require you to build/spend caps on getting Overdrive or Jet either.

*spend caps*? You mean, get filthy rich by early game jet/jet fuel economy. And Jet isn't limited by AP...Jet all the way for me
Bored Peon Nov 11, 2019 @ 11:44am 
Originally posted by Marana:
VATs is way superior in almost every form I can think of.
VATS only lets you stop time and plan your targets.
VATS uses AP and Jet does not.
Jet slows down time for everyone else while you take more actions.

In other words when you use VATS it takes time to get those AP back. When you use jet you get more actions with no downtime to regain AP.

Originally posted by Marana:
VATS doesn't require you to build/spend caps on getting Overdrive or Jet either.
Plastic and fertilizer is so hard to get....
Zotliatlicor Nov 11, 2019 @ 11:59am 
Depends on your amount of Agility and Luck. It works wonders to have Agi 1 and Lck 1 and use Overdrive, relying on live shooting. You get a faie amount of crits.

Best use both Jet and Overdrive ( Psycho jet version) and go bananas with any gun.

I think the Brahmin Cage can help on getting fertilizers, but i havent done so yet myself so....
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Bored Peon Nov 11, 2019 @ 12:03pm 
Originally posted by Zotliatlicor:
I think the Brahmin Cage can help on getting fertilizers, but i havent done so yet myself so....
Connie Abernathy and Mr Greene have always sold fertilizer shipments.
untitled-unrivaled Nov 11, 2019 @ 12:15pm 
Originally posted by Bored Peon:
Originally posted by Marana:
VATs is way superior in almost every form I can think of.
VATS only lets you stop time and plan your targets.
VATS uses AP and Jet does not.
Jet slows down time for everyone else while you take more actions.

In other words when you use VATS it takes time to get those AP back. When you use jet you get more actions with no downtime to regain AP.

Originally posted by Marana:
VATS doesn't require you to build/spend caps on getting Overdrive or Jet either.
Plastic and fertilizer is so hard to get....
You can get addicted to Jet and suffer debuffs.
VATS allow you to shoot through walls and make close large gaps with melee, does Jet do that?
I don't think so.

The whole AP problem can just be resolved by simply investing in VATS, at least with VATS you don't have to carry around 34x Jet and lose that carryweight space. You can use VATS anytime while Jet requires you to have a decent stash on you if you are going on a quest.

Also, don't forget Overdrive requires two acid, a nuka cola and a Psycho. While easy to get obviously, it won't be easy to stockpile on something like that. In terms of early-game survival, I think VATS is way better, I just think VATS is more convenient because you don't have to prep a stash of Jet, Overdrive and have some Addictol on hand. Almost forgot but VATS tells you the resistances of an enemy, stockpiles criticals and gives you HP bars for each limb to pinpoint which area to target the most.
Imagine not having any explosives on hand and you see a vertbird raining down on you? VATS allows you to kill the pilot with at most a single bullet. Unless you are at a really good angle, and have some good aim, I doubt you'll be able to shoot the same pilot with the same amount of bullets if you used Jet instead.
Bored Peon Nov 11, 2019 @ 1:24pm 
Originally posted by Marana:
You can get addicted to Jet and suffer debuffs.
Cook a radscorpion egg or buy addictol.

Originally posted by Marana:
VATS allow you to shoot through walls and make close large gaps with melee, does Jet do that?
Penetrator perk does that, not VATS.

Originally posted by Marana:
The whole AP problem can just be resolved by simply investing in VATS
Grim Reapers sprint requires killing the mob and passing rng check for it to work. If you can kill it in one shot then you did not need to use jet.

Originally posted by Marana:
In terms of early-game survival, I think VATS is way better
Early game survival does not have a maxed out Grim Reapers Sprint.You get liek 15% chance.

Originally posted by Marana:
Almost forgot but VATS tells you the resistances of an enemy, stockpiles criticals and gives you HP bars for each limb to pinpoint which area to target the most.
Again, a whole bunch of perks not available early game. If you can not stick to early game perks then do not make claims VATS is better early game.

Speaking of perks, why did you leave out the Party Boy/Girl that you never get addicted to drugs o r alcohol? Maybe because it contradicts your point, despite the OP literally asked about Party Boy/Girl perk.

Plus that huge list of perks you mentioned is like 15 perk points spent easy. Know how many perks are required for Jet? Zero, two if you get Party Boy/Girl.

Originally posted by Marana:
Imagine not having any explosives on hand and you see a vertbird raining down on you? VATS allows you to kill the pilot with at most a single bullet. Unless you are at a really good angle, and have some good aim, I doubt you'll be able to shoot the same pilot with the same amount of bullets if you used Jet instead.
Why do you keep bringing up instances where you do not even need to use jet? Everyone knows vertibirds suck and die easily. Never mind the fact for a vertibird to even exist you have to be in Act II.

You also forget using VATS and AP is what sucks your power cores dry in power armor. Jet would not. You also have the chest mods that extend duration or prevent addiction.

The reality of it all jet is better because using VATS removes challenge from the game. Pausing time to aim for a 95% headshot instead of using actual skill to aim. Go play Borderlands and I bet you come back to Fallout and skip using VATS.
danconnors Nov 11, 2019 @ 1:40pm 
I prefer jet. Buff jet pumps up your hit points during a fight, making you harder to kill. Psycho jet causes your damage to increase. You kill your enemy faster. Jet is easy and quick to make, and can be sold anywhere for a tidy amount. There is a perk that eliminates jet addiction, or any doctor can cure it.
Better for what?

Better for power gaming and killing stuff? BP makes a good case for Jet.

Better for roleplay immersion? Jet, hands down winner. VATS feels like you're a robot or in a video game. A turn-based video game.

Better if you don't have twitch reflexes? Maybe VATS. I started with VATS because my reflexes aren't great. But I stopped using it because it's boring, not challenging, not immersive, fake. Firing real time gives me an incredible fear and adrenaline rush, and if things get hairy I hit the Jet. Addiction is totally in-lore and immersive. It feels like Fallout should.

Also - Carry weight of Jet as a disadvantage??? Give me a break!
Last edited by The Inept European; Nov 11, 2019 @ 2:12pm
Bored Peon Nov 11, 2019 @ 2:29pm 
Yeha I used to play with VATS all the time.

Then I played Borderlands which has crit locations you had to manually aim for. At that point I realized how lazy I was being in Fallout 4.

Then I made builds for Fallout 76 that does not use VATs (which VATS doesnt stop time, it is just an aim bot.) Then I started to realize if I can aim correctly I can do more damage without VATS because the amount of times I shoot something in the head is no longer limited to my AP.

Then of course as I pointed out earlier fusion core usage is based upon spending AP. In which by not using VATS in Fallout 76 anymore I can literally get 30-40 hours play time out of a single power core with a no VATS power armor build.
Is that also true in FO4? If you don't use VATS/AP, the core lasts longer?
Ska-boo Nov 11, 2019 @ 2:34pm 
You should always do drugs anyway.
Even if you use VATS you should still always be on Psycho and Buffout + possibly Fury if you use melee.
Plus you should always be on mentats to get more exp
And Berry mentats to not be surprised by enemies that echolocate you through walls in East Boston and launch a seeking grenade at you.
So you might as well huff some Jet while you're at it and not use VATS at all.
Even Mr. Howards himself vaguely hints at what your build should be in this game by placing a quest at the very start of the game that gives you a lifetime supply of all basic drugs.
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Date Posted: Nov 11, 2019 @ 10:23am
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