Either Codsworth is wrong or "Father" is wrong.

[gamedesigner]

When you get out of the vault and talk to Codsworth he tells you that 210 years have passed.
Now fast forward to "Father" who tells you you think its only 10 years but really 60. If the first place if Codsworthis right then the math doesn't add up. Also the kid that you see in Kellogg's memories: Is he a synth or the real Shaun. We have no dates of when any of this is happening do we? I'll stand corrected if someone shows me to be wrong. The math just doesn't add up here.

[Kimmaz]

I am probably wrong, but I understood it as that:
-Its 210 years since you left the house for the vault
-your son left the vault 60 years before you did, hence why he is older than you.

[Zotliatlicor]

The Kellog Memory with Synt Shaun in Diamond City happens shortly before you wake up. After you wake up the Institute is spying on your every move. Synth Shaun is ordered back to the Institute by Father (real Shaun).

All of this is in the details if you pay attention. Travis is speaking on the radio in Kelloggs memory, and Travis is not old.

You have been asleep fpr 210 years. This is not unclear. What is unclear is "when" you wake up temporarily to see Kellog Steal Shaun. When you emerge from Vault 111 it "seems" to be recently, and you start out by searching for a "Baby". Then you are led to believe that is was 10 years ago as the kid Shaun in Kelloggs memory is around 10 years old. You believe this until the moment you meet Father first time. Then you learn it was 60 years ago that Kellogg stole Shaun and killed your spouse.

[Flippy]

The only certain thing is that the Zeta Aliens/Institute are using Synths to replace the Real Shaun just like they have done to so many others looking for the missing in the story.




Them just cloning the Real Shaun would not have worked because he couldnt have convinced the player character/Survivor of everything they wanted to so the leader was also cloned. It would appear. So 2 Synths were made.

Kellog calling the leader "The Old Man" during the kidnapping and still calling him that after the Survivor is free is a clue.

Dr. Zimmer a 75ish year old Institute leader from Fallout 3, who may not have been a Synth but still having a Synth Component for teleporting, AND him not being at the Institute when the Survivor gets there is another clue. As in the real leadership wasnt at the Institute when the Survivor gets there.

Dr. Zimmer was part of the real leadership and not at the Institute, but was he "The Old Man", or was he just one part of the real leadership.




To sum this up, the real leadership of the Zeta Aliens/Institute, Dr. Zimmer being at least one of the real leaders, and the Real Shaun have not been found in Fallout 4.

[Thimerasol]

You got put in the Vault. After 150 years, you briefly wake up and see baby Shaun being abducted. Then you fall back into hibernation for another 60 years. 150 + 60 = 210.

But the player character has no way of knowing that 60 years have passed since baby Shaun was kidnapped, and 10 year old Shaun is a synth decoy that Father himself created, as he tells you later (this is also confirmed by reading terminals belonging to other scientists).

Also, in regard to Kellogg not aging in the 60 years since he abducted Shaun, it is revealed that he has been implanted with advanced Institute life extension technology. Neither Codsworth nor Father are "wrong."

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Thimerasol:

You got put in the Vault. After 150 years, you briefly wake up and see baby Shaun being abducted. Then you fall back into hibernation for another 60 years. 150 + 60 = 210.

But the player character has no way of knowing that 60 years have passed since baby Shaun was kidnapped, and 10 year old Shaun is a synth decoy that Father himself created, as he tells you later (this is also confirmed by reading terminals belonging to other scientists).

Also, in regard to Kellogg not aging in the 60 years since he abducted Shaun, it is revealed that he has been implanted with advanced Institute life extension technology. Neither Codsworth nor Father are "wrong."

That is the Zeta Alien/Institute story. The player character/Survivor is shown, from the beginning of the game through till the end, not to believe anything they say.

How long the survivor was in the cryo pod after the kidnapping is not known for sure. However it can be assumed it was actually 10 years because of Kellogs memory.

The Institute making up yet another false narrative, cooking up some Synths, then moving the Real Shaun and the Real Leadership to safety.

There is no knowing where the Real Shaun is or if he is alive and same goes for the real Institute leadership. However there are hints as to the fate of the Real Shaun, and it really is an unsolvable mystery until there is more official story. One of the possibilities is where the Supermutant child is found with toys... Another is that he was the one that released the Survivor... or that he was moved with Dr. Zimmer.



This is not guess work. The Shaun at the Institute is not the real Shaun. The leader at the Institute is not the real leadership, Dr. Zimmer is part of the Real Leadership and he isnt there. This is confirmed by the story.

The Shaun with Kellog may have been the Real Shaun or not, but since Kellog didnt mention he was a Synth most likely that was the Real Shaun.

[Thimerasol]

Originally posted by Flippy:

Originally posted by Thimerasol:

You got put in the Vault. After 150 years, you briefly wake up and see baby Shaun being abducted. Then you fall back into hibernation for another 60 years. 150 + 60 = 210.

But the player character has no way of knowing that 60 years have passed since baby Shaun was kidnapped, and 10 year old Shaun is a synth decoy that Father himself created, as he tells you later (this is also confirmed by reading terminals belonging to other scientists).

Also, in regard to Kellogg not aging in the 60 years since he abducted Shaun, it is revealed that he has been implanted with advanced Institute life extension technology. Neither Codsworth nor Father are "wrong."

That is the Zeta Alien/Institute story. The player character/Survivor is shown, from the beginning of the game through till the end, not to believe anything they say.

How long the survivor was in the cryo pod after the kidnapping is not known for sure. However it can be assumed it was actually 10 years because of Kellogs memory.

The Institute making up yet another false narrative, cooking up some Synths, then moving the Real Shaun and the Real Leadership to safety.

There is no knowing where the Real Shaun is or if he is alive and same goes for the real Institute leadership.

Don't forget that 10 year old Shaun is a synth decoy (which you confirm with your own eyes when you see him "shut down" after father issues a verbal command). If Kellogg's memory of having custody of 10 year old Shaun is authentic (with contemporary Travis talking on the radio), then there's no contradiction.

I do like speculative story theories, like all the cinematic iterations of 007 are different guys throughout the decades assuming the alias "James Bond," or that the song "Africa" by Toto is about a guy trying to cure himself of being a werewolf.

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Thimerasol:

Originally posted by Flippy:

That is the Zeta Alien/Institute story. The player character/Survivor is shown, from the beginning of the game through till the end, not to believe anything they say.

How long the survivor was in the cryo pod after the kidnapping is not known for sure. However it can be assumed it was actually 10 years because of Kellogs memory.

The Institute making up yet another false narrative, cooking up some Synths, then moving the Real Shaun and the Real Leadership to safety.

There is no knowing where the Real Shaun is or if he is alive and same goes for the real Institute leadership.

Don't forget that 10 year old Shaun is a synth decoy (which you confirm with your own eyes when you see him "shut down" after father issues a verbal command). If Kellogg's memory of having custody of 10 year old Shaun is authentic (with contemporary Travis talking on the radio), then there's no contradiction.

I do like speculative story theories, like all the cinematic iterations of 007 are different guys throughout the decades assuming the alias "James Bond," or that the song "Africa" by Toto is about a guy trying to cure himself of being a werewolf.

Well i am trying my best to explain what i know of the story. Maybe try reading it again since i am not good at this by nature. :)

As for the player characters in the games, yes, the player character from Fallout 3 is still on a captured alien capital ship in space during Fallout 4!

Whats really cool is that the alien ship that crashes in Fallout 4 could have been shot down by the player character from Fallout 3 who is captain of the capital ship!!!!! Remember the player character from Fallout 3 captures an alien capital ship and shoots one down and is most likely still shooting down aliens!!



Fallout 5 could show the real fate of the Real Shaun, or could show what the player character from Fallout 3 does with the alien capital space ship and lots of things.

[gamedesigner]

Originally posted by Zotliatlicor:

The Kellog Memory with Synt Shaun in Diamond City happens shortly before you wake up. After you wake up the Institute is spying on your every move. Synth Shaun is ordered back to the Institute by Father (real Shaun).

All of this is in the details if you pay attention. Travis is speaking on the radio in Kelloggs memory, and Travis is not old.

You have been asleep fpr 210 years. This is not unclear. What is unclear is "when" you wake up temporarily to see Kellog Steal Shaun. When you emerge from Vault 111 it "seems" to be recently, and you start out by searching for a "Baby". Then you are led to believe that is was 10 years ago as the kid Shaun in Kelloggs memory is around 10 years old. You believe this until the moment you meet Father first time. Then you learn it was 60 years ago that Kellogg stole Shaun and killed your spouse.

Here's my big question. We know that it's 210 years since Codsworth tells you that you went into cold storage. Do we really know that 150 years has passed when you see Shaun kidnapped? I say NO. Having said that if I understand correctly we do know that Kellogg had life extension tech adapted to him but the Shaun you see in his memory is a synth. I still believe they cloned the real Shaun at 10 (no mention of cloning in the game is there?) and he's dead by now unless they gave him the same life extension as Kellogg, but no mention of that.
Why would Kellogg be told to take the synth to Diamond City? Since the Institute does not want any synths out, this is not logical. The game does say that real people are kidnapped and replaced by synths and Father's statement that all the synths are his children is confusing saying that his DNA is responsible. I say that's impossible even if they had perfected cloning.

Sorry folks this just make logical sense. If we had actual dates of the kidnapping and
other details I could make more sense out of this.

[Flippy]

Every reply about this actually trying to figure it out is interesting. Much of what is above is from what others players or Youtube channels have figured out, not me.

Yes there are few things saying the Shaun with Kellog in Diamond City was the Real Shaun.

Yet another is that it was clearly stated that "Only the strongest of Kellogs memories will be shown".

This says they were moving the Real Shaun, someone Kellog cared about. Very important clue to the story!

[Bricky strong]

I think that he means 60 years since he saw his son taken and his wife shot or husband. What's more difficult to figure out is why whats his name was seen with a child and its supposed to be his son or her but then he's 60. The story doesn't make any sense, just blow ♥♥♥♥ up....

[Flippy]

The super mutant child with the toys hidden in the Institute basement in a room much like the room where Synth Shaun is found in is what is really pointed to as the fate of the Real Shaun. How ever there are hints to other fates as well.

[Bricky strong]

kellog was seen with a child by multiple sources and even on the computer where you kill him- never explained.

[Bricky strong]

The story is beyond garbage and if you kill your ''son'' it leaves 0 emotional impact because he was a deceptive jerk anyway. Here's the story in a nut shell- ''learn to love synths'' , or more like sjw trash. Pointless story beyond belief. The only good ending is the Brotherhood ending.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Bricky strong:

kellog was seen with a child by multiple sources and even on the computer where you kill him- never explained.

Kellogg was seen on purpose with the Synth-Shaun. The courser takes the synth back to the institute so Kellogg can go chase Virgil.

You people need to stop feeding Flippy while he is derailing topics. This is like the fourth lore topic this week he has derailed with his alien theory.

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by Bricky strong:

kellog was seen with a child by multiple sources and even on the computer where you kill him- never explained.

Kellogg was seen on purpose with the Synth-Shaun. The courser takes the synth back to the institute so Kellogg can go chase Virgil.

You people need to stop feeding Flippy while he is derailing topics. This is like the fourth lore topic this week he has derailed with his alien theory.

So the Zeta Aliens/Institute say. After what some proof says was the Real Shaun was taken back to the Institute Kellog didnt follow orders to eliminate Virgil but instead waited for the Survivor to catch up.

Virgil left the Institute because he wasnt going to capture and kill any more humans for the Institute and Kellog was ordered to kill him, which Kellog refused to do.

Much of the story is those trying to escape the Insitute and having their mind wiped because they couldnt live with what they had done, aside from the other reasons.

While Gen 3's may not be human they are very close and many tended to side with humanity in the war.

Thats the story, many on the Zetan side of the war in Vault Tec, in the Insitute, other places tried to fight the invasion instead of participating and some didnt because of what ever reasons.

Vault Tec was offing it own employees that didnt go along with it as in what was shown in the Vault Tec office, and the employees were offing them in return like in Vault 108, which only survived because an employee didnt follow orders.

Much of the Institute is either trying to escape or refusing orders or even in Virgils case destroying the FEV lab, doing other things. Even Dr Li can end up leaving.

The Institute is weak and uses alien technology and every trick, but it is also just one weapon of the Zetans. Cant forget the Zetans are winning the war and much of the Earth is a nuclear hell from Earth nukes and Zetan orbital bombardment.