Nick Valentine Hate Thread (Spoilers)

[Gnarl]

I hate Nick Valentine.

The second I saw him I wanted to turn off the game.

That he's such a large part of the main story and that I can't kill him infuriates me.

He's entirely too hipster for me. I can just imagine the writers sitting around thinking "You know what'd be cool? Making a noir detective but making him a robot too. OMG?!!"

In a world that fears synths he's just freely walking around and not scrap metal makes no sense to me. He doesn't even gear up or anything. It makes no sense.

Do you hate Nick Valentine?

I know a lot of fans of him will likely come in here to grief us, but feel free to post your dislike of him if you want.

And if you are a fan of Nick Valentine, please don't post. I've heard enough Nick-love thank you. Please post elsewhere. Us non-fans need a safe place to express our disdain for this character so that maybe Bethesda won't make another one like him.

[Yhwach]

Good luck with that

[showler]

Nope. Can't risk you convincing Bethesda to stop making characters like Nick. Nick rules.

[Salamand3r-]

I don't hate him or love him. He's just another bizarre Fallout character that doesn't always make a lot of sense.

From Sulik and Harold in classic Fallout to basically the entire main cast of Fallout 3, they like taking random tropes and making them into characters.

However, I 100% agree that his presence in the main storyline is overplayed - every path should have at least one alternative, and there is absolutely no way to avoid Valentine for the main story. That ties in to the rest of the narrative being too narrow as well.

While I don't hate him, I hate what he represents to the Fallout franchise.

[⛥ Binli die Schreckliche ⛥]

Originally posted by Caquix:

I hate Nick's and Dima's voice actor,same guy who voiced 100 skyrim NPCs.His freaking voice is everywhere and it bothers me alot

This. I don't hate Nick, but his voice is kinda annoying. :(

[nobody willsee this video right?]

he's a poor imitation of bogart.
but bogart was so good that even a poor imitation of him is still a pretty good character.
i think nick is quite alright.

[showler]

Originally posted by nobody willsee this video right?:

he's a poor imitation of bogart.

That's Riddikulus

[McDip_]

Originally posted by Salamand3r:

I don't hate him or love him. He's just another bizarre Fallout character that doesn't always make a lot of sense.

From Sulik and Harold in classic Fallout to basically the entire main cast of Fallout 3, they like taking random tropes and making them into characters.

However, I 100% agree that his presence in the main storyline is overplayed - every path should have at least one alternative, and there is absolutely no way to avoid Valentine for the main story. That ties in to the rest of the narrative being too narrow as well.

While I don't hate him, I hate what he represents to the Fallout franchise.

True.

[Stelar Seven]

Nick is fine, asking for a safe space to hate though, that is comedy gold. Thanks for that.

[Kasane Randell MFer]

Why couldn't I have had an option to put nick in the new synth body like curie bethesda!? WHY BETHESDA!?

[ⓀⒾⓦⒾ‰]

irony working as intended

fyi if you take dogmeat with you you dont need nick at all, the dog will follow a trail and lead you right to ..where you need to go...
you only have to deal with nick for pick up and turn in

[Gnarl]

Originally posted by Salamand3r:

I don't hate him or love him. He's just another bizarre Fallout character that doesn't always make a lot of sense.

From Sulik and Harold in classic Fallout to basically the entire main cast of Fallout 3, they like taking random tropes and making them into characters.

However, I 100% agree that his presence in the main storyline is overplayed - every path should have at least one alternative, and there is absolutely no way to avoid Valentine for the main story. That ties in to the rest of the narrative being too narrow as well.

While I don't hate him, I hate what he represents to the Fallout franchise.

That actually reminds me that I hated Harold the first time I met hiim in the Hub in 1. But, it was because I thought he was gross and was repulsed by him. But I think how he differs is that the writers wanted many of us to be repulsed by him at first. On future replays of 1 I found out more about his history and grew to respect him greatly. Preghoul Harold became a hero in my eyes when I delved deeper into the game. It was good writing to me.

Great point abouit not being able to avoid him in main story. I'd probably respect him more and his place in the game if there was an alternate path.

[Gnarl]

Originally posted by Dark Servitude:

Why couldn't I have had an option to put nick in the new synth body like curie bethesda!? WHY BETHESDA!?

I'd be up for that too. Especialy if I could kill him. Also, after his part in the main story, when he has that 'hiccup' and sounds like the merc, my character would have killed him and smashed all the pieces right there in a blind rage. To keep him alive for a dlc? Bad writing to me.

[Salamand3r-]

Originally posted by Gnarl:

Originally posted by Salamand3r:

I don't hate him or love him. He's just another bizarre Fallout character that doesn't always make a lot of sense.

From Sulik and Harold in classic Fallout to basically the entire main cast of Fallout 3, they like taking random tropes and making them into characters.

However, I 100% agree that his presence in the main storyline is overplayed - every path should have at least one alternative, and there is absolutely no way to avoid Valentine for the main story. That ties in to the rest of the narrative being too narrow as well.

While I don't hate him, I hate what he represents to the Fallout franchise.

That actually reminds me that I hated Harold the first time I met hiim in the Hub in 1. But, it was because I thought he was gross and was repulsed by him. But I think how he differs is that the writers wanted many of us to be repulsed by him at first. On future replays of 1 I found out more about his history and grew to respect him greatly. Preghoul Harold became a hero in my eyes when I delved deeper into the game. It was good writing to me.

Great point abouit not being able to avoid him in main story. I'd probably respect him more and his place in the game if there was an alternate path.

Fallout 4's primary problem - and why characters like Valentine, Piper, and Preston are unavoidable - is that Bethesda, instead of letting you figure out how "clever" and "varied" their writing was by exploring and experiencing side content, it's like they let every content designer pick a pet project and make it an unskippable part of the main story.

It reminds me of a Zach Snyder film. Instead of a breathtaking film that allows you to discover nuances, in-jokes, and new subtle features on every viewing, Snyder makes visually impressive films that shove all of his "AREN'T I CLEVER?!?!" ♥♥♥♥ right down your throat.

Like Watchmen, Fallout 4 comes off, at many points, as an egomaniac forcing you to watch him masturbate onto film, and expecting you to compliment his technique and girth the whole time.

That's not to say Fallout 4 is inherently bad, because it isn't - the narrative and the plot are godawful, but it has a ton of solid lore, worldbuilding, and finally a reasonably fun combat system.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, that kind of approach has a place in both film and games. I loved Wolfenstein 2, and if any game shoves narrative down your throat, that's it. But when playing an open world RPG in a series that has emphasized choice for much of its lifetime, the change is a bit jarring and leads a to a game that defies expectations, and not in the good way like you want.

[Viper]

Nick is greatt. What reason is there to hate him. I think your a very small minority OP.

[troy_cummings]

I think everyone regards him as this amazing companion when he really isn't. I don't think he's terrible, but everyone says he's super fleshed out and his quest is amazing. I think it is a subpar companion who is trying to look deep.