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vro 2018 年 1 月 7 日 下午 5:19
What would be the best faction to join?
Im just wondering what faction you guys prefer over the others. Honestly, I like the institute. What about you?
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Dryden 2018 年 1 月 8 日 上午 7:14 
引用自 Hobo Misanthropus
引用自 Rhathymia
Sure, but that relies too much on Lorenzo. You are not in control.

You're not really in control of the Institute either, the Director role is advisory, not dictitorial. They can just oust you by unanimous vote at any time.
引用自 Rhathymia
Robots wrapped in Shawns DNA. You see them being put together. Not human

You can see humans being assembled by Mitosis and Miosis. Humans are nothing but biological machines assembled by a set of plans encoded in the DNA. We're not saying Synths are Human, but they're people. You can use the strawman toaster argument all you want, but if a toaster demonstrated complex sentience with a verifiable and subjective/unique frame of reference, it would demand that any concionable entity treat it with the same respect it affords to any person.

Remember, we did once use these "Not human" arguments against Blacks and, during the war, Japanese.

Conciousness and sentience transcend the mechanics of the body and/or machine. It's why we don't give animals Human Rights, they have no perception of past, present and future beyond mere driven instincts. (A handful of Animals may/could be the exception)
What makes you think that synths are sentient, and not just programmed really well? Like the general atomics products.
Lady Bloodwell 2018 年 1 月 8 日 上午 7:46 
Anyone knows if its possible to join and do de quests of all factions like in Skyrim?
markdb92 2018 年 1 月 8 日 上午 7:46 
引用自 Dryden
引用自 Hobo Misanthropus

You're not really in control of the Institute either, the Director role is advisory, not dictitorial. They can just oust you by unanimous vote at any time.


You can see humans being assembled by Mitosis and Miosis. Humans are nothing but biological machines assembled by a set of plans encoded in the DNA. We're not saying Synths are Human, but they're people. You can use the strawman toaster argument all you want, but if a toaster demonstrated complex sentience with a verifiable and subjective/unique frame of reference, it would demand that any concionable entity treat it with the same respect it affords to any person.

Remember, we did once use these "Not human" arguments against Blacks and, during the war, Japanese.

Conciousness and sentience transcend the mechanics of the body and/or machine. It's why we don't give animals Human Rights, they have no perception of past, present and future beyond mere driven instincts. (A handful of Animals may/could be the exception)
What makes you think that synths are sentient, and not just programmed really well? Like the general atomics products.

Thats like data/ The doctor in star trek never geting their yes they are lifeform status. You cant tell if something is a synth 3 unless you kill them which tells you the insitute is making human slaves with control chips in their head. The only thing changed with them is the long life and really high rad resistance. The background rads will one day kill even synth 3 with cancer.
HunterOfPinkBunnyWabbits 2018 年 1 月 8 日 上午 10:38 
引用自 thaina.oliveira
Anyone knows if its possible to join and do de quests of all factions like in Skyrim?
You can join all factions. Get good benefits and do some of their quest. Certain point you have to choose. I usually do sidequest and main quest certain way. I still get ballistic weave, Institute Killer Weave, 3 legendary BoS PA pieces (Lost one because it is only after BoS ending), Steadfast BoS Combat armor, good gatling laser, Vertibird as transportation etc and destroy Insitute and BoS
Solomon Hawk 2018 年 1 月 8 日 下午 12:35 
I've tried them all.
Even after may fresh starts ... I find it difficult to focus on only one faction.
Each has their good points and each have their bad points.

If I had the liberty to do so, I would change a few things so everyone benefitted and define a better future for all where it is possible to do so.
Tyrant 2018 年 1 月 8 日 下午 12:53 
i dont know why but i gave it a think while i was at the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
i think if i had to choose between the factions id go for for the Harbormen
they just want to be left alone and has untill the atom freaks came along been left alone
they didnt have any quarrel with the synths when they first came they had no reason to
but then the damn atom freaks showed up and brought paranoia with them.
sure DiMa isnt pure and all good but he did what he had to like everyonelse does,
can you really blame him for being a leader for his people?

maybe this playthrough i shall do the right thing.
kill the religious. *in before hatestream*
Ihateeverybody 2018 年 1 月 8 日 下午 1:10 
Reall

引用自 Lt Veers
引用自 Ihateeverybody
Railroad, up until the BOS is destroyed, then betray the institiute and finish up with the Minutemen.

Why? Because I hate ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. BOS and Institutes are filled with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that think ONLY THEY can save the world when in fact they are the problem. I also don 't like the Railroad manning checkpoints in the aftermath, just don't jive. So hence the minuteman. Commonwealth people for the Commonwealth.

♥♥♥♥ the BOS (Send me to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Glow, ♥♥♥♥ them then, ♥♥♥♥ them now, ♥♥♥♥ them forever). Midwest Brotherhood is ok.

Lyons brotherhood was ok too.

Really? They opened the door and treated you like a fellow human being? Or did they want something from you? You had to basicly drag a desperate band of scientists to even get their notice. They were opportunistic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ also. They saw the power of Purified Water for their dominance of the DC area. Even the ones at the radio station treated you with a certain contempt after you saved their ass. To paraphrase Bryan in Bladerunner. If you aint Brotherhood you are little people. That and the fact they kept going on about preserving old world technology while blowing it up at every opportunity (Raven Rock, Whatever that Big Rolling whatever thing was, the institute, etc). They are just raiders with Power Armor.

pike 2018 年 1 月 27 日 下午 3:16 
avoid the toaster lovin hippies , stay away from the nazi's , same goes for the wannbe nazi's , so join the minute men !
fix their broken stuff , feed them , tuck them in at night , find their lost friends and loved ones .
you'll be a better , kinder person for it !
Tyrant 2018 年 1 月 27 日 下午 3:32 
引用自 pike
avoid the toaster lovin hippies , stay away from the nazi's , same goes for the wannbe nazi's , so join the minute men !
fix their broken stuff , feed them , tuck them in at night , find their lost friends and loved ones .
you'll be a better , kinder person for it !

Do what you want because a raider is free, YOU ARE A RAIDER!
pike 2018 年 1 月 27 日 下午 3:34 
引用自 Tyrant
引用自 pike
avoid the toaster lovin hippies , stay away from the nazi's , same goes for the wannbe nazi's , so join the minute men !
fix their broken stuff , feed them , tuck them in at night , find their lost friends and loved ones .
you'll be a better , kinder person for it !

Do what you want because a raider is free, YOU ARE A RAIDER!
they got the worst haircuts , i could never hang with people that gots the bad hair
Tyrant 2018 年 1 月 27 日 下午 3:34 
引用自 pike
引用自 Tyrant

Do what you want because a raider is free, YOU ARE A RAIDER!
they got the worst haircuts , i could never hang with people that gots the bad hair

fine the children of atom then. they have next to no hair
pike 2018 年 1 月 27 日 下午 3:39 
引用自 Tyrant
引用自 pike
they got the worst haircuts , i could never hang with people that gots the bad hair

fine the children of atom then. they have next to no hair
eh , cant envision wearing a salad strainer on my chest ,
and lets face it , they're the acid dropping hippie yoga freaks
i'm not in to all the meditating and chanting ,
Tyrant 2018 年 1 月 27 日 下午 3:41 
引用自 pike
引用自 Tyrant

fine the children of atom then. they have next to no hair
eh , cant envision wearing a salad strainer on my chest ,
and lets face it , they're the acid dropping hippie yoga freaks
i'm not in to all the meditating and chanting ,
i belive you belong among the ''upperstands'' citizens.
pike 2018 年 1 月 27 日 下午 3:44 
引用自 Tyrant
引用自 pike
eh , cant envision wearing a salad strainer on my chest ,
and lets face it , they're the acid dropping hippie yoga freaks
i'm not in to all the meditating and chanting ,
i belive you belong among the ''upperstands'' citizens.
why yes,,
yes i would , i wash my hands after looting corpse's ,
i only drink the purified water and the finest deathclaw steaks
doctordarkspawn 2018 年 1 月 27 日 下午 3:53 
It really just boils down to you're personal philosophy. if you're looking for the best faction gameplay wise, none really stand out, I find all they're bonuses mostly useless.

As far as morality, the Minutemen is the most morally pure. While most think they'll fall apart, and they very well might, they also could do potentially the best. They also dont need to remain independant. if you're diplomatic, you can get them to team up with most other factions. They also tend to do really well when the going gets tough, and came the closest to establishing a functioning government in the wasteland.

For the Railroad, it all boils down to, do you believe synths are people? IN other words, if you watched star trek, did you believe holograms are people? Then the railroad isn't a bad choice. (Personally, I could give less of a ♥♥♥♥ if they're 'human'. If you cut it, it bleeds. If you tell it a joke, it laughs. Good enough for me.)

For the Brotherhood, they are by far the best chance the commonwealth has of a stable government. With mods (AKA Danse Dilemma) you can finally get the quite frankly facist bastard Maxon out of power, and usher in a brotherhood more like lyons. Otherwise....the brotherhood, is basicly just a facist militarized force here to force people into feeding them, so they can expand they're military power from DC>

For the Institute, you would almost undoubtedly have unmached power. But as the Institute shows time and time again, they're ridiculously petty, and tend to unleash horror upon the wasteland through either sheer disreguard for others (Swan and the mutants) or incompitence. (The broken mask incident). They're stupid evil at they're absolute worst, and neutral evil at they're absolute best.

Personally, I either go Minutemen and Railroad, or Minutemen and Brotherhood with mods.

...I dont really mention or talk about the raiders because not only is they're questline basicly not fleshed out,t he only faction it reasonibly plays nice with is the Institute, because the Institute dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about what happens above ground. So, in lieu of Minutemen institute, raider institute is a thing.
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