full-auto vs semi-auto and pistol.

[Nofap Pilgrim]

Full auto would mean more damage and less perk investment, but semi auto and pistols would mean less ammo usage and more weapon options. which one should i chose

[IronSquid501]

You get so much ammo that the choice between automatic and semi-automatic really comes down to your personal preference. However, in my experience, Semi-Auto has been more reliable while Automatic is more for niche characters

[MortVent]

Stealth/Vats builds work best with semiautomatic for upfront damage output. You want to have the maximum per shot damage output so each hit counts for more

Run and gun is best with the automatics. As you will be playing as a fps, and adjusting point of aim and targeting without worrying about action points or stealth bonuses

[leem]

I would build up both. At same time or build up semi-auto first while ammo is low.

[Mringasa]

I always start with semi-auto since ammo can be scarce in the beginning. Later in the game, if I have put some points into it, I'll have a full auto for packs of ghouls and minor nuisances for quick takedowns. Usually stick with the semi-auto though because damage output is solid and there's much less recoil so I can target limbs with iron sights much easier.

[Doombringer]

stealth/sniper = semi-auto
run & gun = auto

Semi-auto you generally want to get the stealth/sneak attack perks, so generally a larger investment (perk-wise). Both work fine though.
You can eventually get an infinite ammo gatling laser, so ammo ends up not being a problem, even if you are lazy about buying/looting it and a terrible shot ;)

[leem]

Originally posted by Doombringer:

stealth/sniper = semi-auto
run & gun = auto

Semi-auto you generally want to get the stealth/sneak attack perks, so generally a larger investment (perk-wise). Both work fine though.
You can eventually get an infinite ammo gatling laser, so ammo ends up not being a problem, even if you are lazy about buying/looting it and a terrible shot ;)

Is there an infinite ammo weapon? That is the one you dont change the clip right? You burn through ammo super fast with those weapons.

[Kameraden]

I was a semi auto person for years. I played one play through with a fully auto SMG. (mostly because of the defense gun mod) which convinced me to do it, and honestly, I never looked back. It's a lot of fun. Definitely witha Cyro, Plasma or Bleed automatic weapon. Let alone Explosive.

I still use a pistol though. But mostly a .44 Magnium because of how easy it is to get around 180+ damage per shot without criticals, plus nothing is more fun than firing 6 shots in vats to bring down 8 foes in the head wild west like. lol

[ghpstage]

Theres no need to get sucked into traditional wisdom like this,

Originally posted by Doombringer:

stealth/sniper = semi-auto
run & gun = auto

Semi-auto you generally want to get the stealth/sneak attack perks, so generally a larger investment (perk-wise).

Any of pistols, rifles or automatics groups can cover sniping, VATS, sighted and hip fire roles to, at least, an adequate degree (pistols are a bit lacking in long range sniper options but can still work).

Automatics actually make excellent 'sniper' weapons as, with a suppressor they can chain together large numbers of sneak attack boosted shots in no time.

[Doombringer]

Originally posted by leem:

Is there an infinite ammo weapon? That is the one you dont change the clip right? You burn through ammo super fast with those weapons.

Aeternus

Originally posted by ghpstage:

Theres no need to get sucked into traditional wisdom like this,

Automatics actually make excellent 'sniper' weapons as, with a suppressor they can chain together large numbers of sneak attack boosted shots in no time.

Yes, but you don't need multiple hits when a sneak headshot does 11000 damage (instigating gauss rifle).
Autos take more AP/target - if you 1shot them in VATS, then autos use more AP for less kills.
Also, the best auto weapons (gatling laser, explosive minigun) can't get a silencer....

As a note, your VATS gun should use a reflex sight (lowers AP cost).
(long scopes greatly increase AP cost)

[ghpstage]

Originally posted by Doombringer:

Yes, but you don't need multiple hits when a sneak headshot does 11000 damage (instigating gauss rifle).
Autos take more AP/target - if you 1shot them in VATS, then autos use more AP for less kills...

As a note, your VATS gun should use a reflex sight (lowers AP cost).
(long scopes greatly increase AP cost)

The right legendary on a top tier weapon (that is extremely rare in combination) causes a lot of single shot damage?
Who woulda thought that huh?:

My point was not to get pigeon holed into certain styles based on the weapon perks you take, nor to necessarily pick weapons based on your preferred style as all three gun groups can perform all styles well.
I did not argue that single shots were useless or even that they were worse...

I will add that as a suppressed autosniper, even a humble, non-legendary .38 pipe gun can shine.

[leem]

Originally posted by Doombringer:

Originally posted by leem:

Is there an infinite ammo weapon? That is the one you dont change the clip right? You burn through ammo super fast with those weapons.

Aeternus

I want that gun! Now I just need to find it. haha

[Doombringer]

Originally posted by ghpstage:

My point was not to get pigeon holed into certain styles based on the weapon perks you take, nor to necessarily pick weapons based on your preferred style as all three gun groups can perform all styles well.

And my point was certain weapons are better at certain things.
Sniping with a gatling laser doesn't work well (it's the best auto gun, but no silencer & low single shot damage).
Sniping with a Gauss Rifle works better.


And there is no way a normal .38 pipe gun is working well vs a level 300ish super mutant warlord...

[Nofap Pilgrim]

Originally posted by Doombringer:

Originally posted by ghpstage:

My point was not to get pigeon holed into certain styles based on the weapon perks you take, nor to necessarily pick weapons based on your preferred style as all three gun groups can perform all styles well.

And my point was certain weapons are better at certain things.
Sniping with a gatling laser doesn't work well (it's the best auto gun, but no silencer & low single shot damage).
Sniping with a Gauss Rifle works better.


And there is no way a normal .38 pipe gun is working well vs a level 300ish super mutant warlord...

actually a .38 auto pipe gun with the explosive effect is better than even the spray and pray

[Doombringer]

normal .38 = non-legendary...
Yes, explosive anything is silly because of so many multiplying multipliers.
(and SMGs are not good base weapons)

(minigun gets an extra x2 to the explosive damage and a higher fire rate, which is why I mentioned it with gatling lasers (Rapid (with charging barrel), or wounding, or two shot or the infinite ammo one) as top auto weapons.
(normal miniguns are low-tier junk though)

[milo29]

Full auto. Full auto outclass totaly semi auto when correctly modded and using burst shot.
I use slow motion with jet chem and critical outside vats with overdrive... With better critical perk that work also with overdrive... The gameplay become totaly different. Using AI optimization and level scaling mods.

In survival, it's good to use idiot savant with this build because using chems lower you intelligence, that help to proc x5 xp from idiot savant.

Example: https://youtu.be/3uUE323EWik