Obsidian is overrated

[Aphex]

To the people that praise Obsidian:
I get it. They made a great story with FO:NV. They basically modded Fallout 3. That's it. Modders is what they are. They can't create a game with fun gameplay or even coherrent gameplay for s***. Bethesda gave them all the tools they needed yet get all the praise from you idiots. Look at POE. What a mess of a game that is. Again great story terrible gameplay.
I say hire the writers and scrap the rest.

[BDK]

引用自 Cromwell the Conqueror：

引用自 BDK：

Still better than Bethesda in every way.

Any arguments?

Search. It's there for a reason. I don't wanna type the same damn thing over and over again.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

引用自 Cromwell the Conqueror：

引用自 Hobo Misanthropus：

Pillars of Eternity is built on pre-existing tech, pre-existing ruleset, pre-existing everything but Art (the game is ugly anyway) and writing.

Chris Avellone was the heart and soul of Obsidian, and he's working at Arkane now. Tyranny sucks, and is a great indicator of how quickly Obsidian is going to be seen for the "Premium Mod Team" they really are.

You also forgot their piggyback work on stuff like Baldur's Gate and KotoR.


Of course not, because the one objective measure of quality is economic success, and Bethesda has Obsidian beat by orders of magnitude.

Wasn't Baldurs Gate like all EAC or as they are now known EA? Sorry I may be confusing my companies it's been a long time.

Bioware did the Original BG2 and Farmed Obsidian off for an expansion or something II think, but it has been a while, and I'm too lazy go wiki it since it's the holidays and WIki is E-Begging with popups.

引用自 BDK：

引用自 Cromwell the Conqueror：

Any arguments?

Search. It's there for a reason. I don't wanna type the same damn thing over and over again.

I did, all I came up with is that you're wrong.


EDIT* Why is BG2 getting hit by the filter? lol

[Mormacil]

引用自 Hobo Misanthropus：

引用自 eArtist：

Fallout 2 sure, Stick of Truth sure (not an original IP tho so you could say they are piggybacking once again), but pillars of eternity? no way...

Pillars of Eternity is built on pre-existing tech, pre-existing ruleset, pre-existing everything but Art (the game is ugly anyway) and writing.

Chris Avellone was the heart and soul of Obsidian, and he's working at Arkane now. Tyranny sucks, and is a great indicator of how quickly Obsidian is going to be seen for the "Premium Mod Team" they really are.

You also forgot their piggyback work on stuff like Baldur's Gate and KotoR.

引用自 Cromwell the Conqueror：

Any arguments?

Of course not, because the one objective measure of quality is economic success, and Bethesda has Obsidian beat by orders of magnitude.

引用自 Mormacil：

Wait what? I what way did Bethesda improve on the IP? Brotherhood of Steel that act like paladins? Super Mutants that move across continents? Ignoring the Great Plague? Russian immigrants two centuries after the apocalypse? High speed predators with rotting flesh? Sure feral ghouls are great from a gameplay perspective but their speed makes no sense in the lore.

If anything Bethesda butchers any lore they touch these days. I don't think we can credit Beth for the mods of their users, some Obsidian games have mods, if not most. Some of them are pretty amazing too.

Your fatal mistake is treating lore like divine gospel. Lore isn't written by lightning onto slate tablets. Unless you can show me in-lore where things like speedy feral ghouls are absolutely forbidden, instead of "Well, they weren't fast before" then you have no argument.

The assumption that the entire lexicon of the world lore can be written and contained in one game entry is absurd beyond rational comprehension, and you should be ashamed of having such a lack in critical-thinking capacity. Sorry for condescending attitude, but there are two types of minds in the world: Ones that are told how things work, and ones that figure out how things can work.

:)

[William the Conqueror]

引用自 BDK：

引用自 Cromwell the Conqueror：

Any arguments?

Search. It's there for a reason. I don't wanna type the same damn thing over and over again.

It's your first post at least offer something because Bethesda has more money, more brand recognition and a company that is a staple in the Open World Genre, as well as publishing several popular games such as Doom and Dishonored.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

引用自 Cromwell the Conqueror：

引用自 BDK：

Search. It's there for a reason. I don't wanna type the same damn thing over and over again.

It's your first post at least offer something because Bethesda has more money, more brand recognition and a company that is a staple in the Open World Genre, as well as publishing several popular games such as Doom and Dishonored.

I differentiate between Bethesda and BGS personally. I don't actually like the Bethesda Publisher. I think they're just trying to slowly turn into another Juggernaut like Activision and EA, with all the gamer-crippling nightmares that entails. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are their golden-cows though, so Bethesda Game Studios more-or-less get to dictate terms still. (Let's be real, there would be no Bethesda publisher without BGS just from an economic stance.

[MaximumEffort]

引用自 Hobo Misanthropus：

You also forgot their piggyback work on stuff like Baldur's Gate and KotoR.

This offends me.
Obsidian had nothing in the world to do with BG.
They made KOTOR2 (well, tried) and than NVN2, than F3/2 (FNV), than DS2/2 (DS3 mwuahahaha), than MGS 1/2 (AP), than DOS 1/2 (PoE, Tyr) and Word of Tanks 1/2 (Arm Warf)... wait I see a pattern there

[MaximumEffort]

引用自 Hobo Misanthropus：

引用自 Cromwell the Conqueror：

It's your first post at least offer something because Bethesda has more money, more brand recognition and a company that is a staple in the Open World Genre, as well as publishing several popular games such as Doom and Dishonored.

I differentiate between Bethesda and BGS personally. I don't actually like the Bethesda Publisher. I think they're just trying to slowly turn into another Juggernaut like Activision and EA, with all the gamer-crippling nightmares that entails. Elder Scrolls and Fallout are their golden-cows though, so Bethesda Game Studios more-or-less get to dictate terms still. (Let's be real, there would be no Bethesda publisher without BGS just from an economic stance.

well, I'd say that Arkane, iD and MachineGames are doing pretty well, but of course, they don't match up to BGS success and numbers

[Von Faustien]

Hey remeber when obsidion needed a plot for neverwinter nights 2s expansion and the best they could do is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wizard captures protaginist performs horrific experiments on them, leading to loss of there soul which must be regained to stop an evil force inside them from takeing over. This of course leads to battle on ghe outter planes and the final option of useing the power thats been cursing you to achive god like power. I mean ♥♥♥♥ they star wars episode sevened the ♥♥♥♥ out of balders gate 2 for that one didnt they?

Or remeber how

Kotor 2 was half done but oh wait that was the publishers fault

New vegas was half done and had more bugs than daggerfall oops the was the publisher wasnt it silly me

Or alpha protcol being a half backed mess oh sorry publisher again wow its like obsidians fans have found an excuse for every flaw in all there games!

Ok last one anyone remember how piller of eternity was horrificly glitchy for over half a year? Oh sorry publish...wait that one was kickstarter backed wow maybe obsidians tendency to release poorly polished, unfinished and broken games is due to obsidian? Nah thats crazy

[Shahadem]

New Vegas was not a great story. New Vegas' story was House's computer saying "just as planned" and that's it. That is a ♥♥♥♥ story.

But I'm not surprised, Obisidian is horrible at story telling. Kotor 2 was worst followup up to a great game that tried to ♥♥♥♥ all over the first game and the first game's characters to make itself seem better. Kreia is Obsidian's Kai Leng or Reaver character. I would not be surprised if an former Obsidian writer was hired by Bioware for Mass Effect 2/3.

[William the Conqueror]

引用自 Shahadem：

New Vegas was not a great story. New Vegas' story was House's computer saying "just as planned" and that's it. That is a ♥♥♥♥ story.

But I'm not surprised, Obisidian is horrible at story telling. Kotor 2 was worst followup up to a great game that tried to ♥♥♥♥ all over the first game and the first game's characters to make itself seem better. Kreia is Obsidian's Kai Leng or Reaver character. I would not be surprised if an former Obsidian writer was hired by Bioware for Mass Effect 2/3.

Come to think of it I don't remember what was so good about Mew Vegas, but that's impossible Obsidian is flawless time to get some more memberies.

[sick duck]

引用自 Aphex：

To the people that praise Obsidian:
I get it. They made a great story with FO:NV. They basically modded Fallout 3. That's it. Modders is what they are. They can't create a game with fun gameplay or even coherrent gameplay for s***. Bethesda gave them all the tools they needed yet get all the praise from you idiots. Look at POE. What a mess of a game that is. Again great story terrible gameplay.
I say hire the writers and scrap the rest.

You don't know anything about obsidians history.

[IronSquid501]

>Great story

It was a generic war story that didn't even take advantage of the post-apocalyptic situation in the way other Fallout games do
Unfortunately, even the story of NV was ♥♥♥♥

[MaximumEffort]

引用自 Jon Irenicus：

引用自 Aphex：

To the people that praise Obsidian:
I get it. They made a great story with FO:NV. They basically modded Fallout 3. That's it. Modders is what they are. They can't create a game with fun gameplay or even coherrent gameplay for s***. Bethesda gave them all the tools they needed yet get all the praise from you idiots. Look at POE. What a mess of a game that is. Again great story terrible gameplay.
I say hire the writers and scrap the rest.

You don't know anything about obsidians history.

You mean the fact they were uplifted by BioWare and managed to ♥♥♥♥ that up? Yeah, I wss there. I also saw AP and DS3 (mwuahahahahaha).

How they have terrible rep with publishers and have astonishing inability to hold up their end of the contract not once managing to make a game in time, always coming up with excuses and never growing balls to admit their mistakes. Thats why most publishers just laugh at them and never give them the bonus they could recieve if they were a decent enough developer.

Also they have very Interplay like business practices that will surely one day drive them to the same abyss and legal problems.

No wonder Avellone bailed on them!

[MaximumEffort]

引用自 IronSquid501：

>Great story

It was a generic war story that didn't even take advantage of the post-apocalyptic situation in the way other Fallout games do
Unfortunately, even the story of NV was ♥♥♥♥

There has never been a Fallout gane with a good story. Period.

[Yhwach]

引用自 sjrekis：

引用自 IronSquid501：

>Great story

It was a generic war story that didn't even take advantage of the post-apocalyptic situation in the way other Fallout games do
Unfortunately, even the story of NV was ♥♥♥♥

There has never been a Fallout gane with a good story. Period.

I dunno, Fallout:BoS was a borderline mad max spoof at most